Kakashi was always stronger than Gai

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Sharingan can follow one of the fastest man in NU(Raikage), so i don't see Sharingan having problems to follow Gai in gates especially when we've already got pages which shows them fighting on par, you also forget Kamui in the equation, a one-shot jutsu that even Gai has no answers against

dude lee and killer b proved even if you can see whats happening, that doesn't mean you can make your body react in time. kakashi has never kamui'd anyone with that kind of speed. nor do i think kakashi could keep up in terms of stamina. i'm sure just about every time they SPARRED kakashi probably won. but if we're talking a fight to the death, kakashi would be in the ground right next to rin...
 

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howdo we know if gai doesn't have wieghts like lee does but heavier?

sorry if this ends up as a double post. this is a great great point too. however.... i think if he did have something like this up his sleeve, he probably would have busted it out fighting kisame with his students about to drown.
 

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dude lee and killer b proved even if you can see whats happening, that doesn't mean you can make your body react in time. kakashi has never kamui'd anyone with that kind of speed. nor do i think kakashi could keep up in terms of stamina. i'm sure just about every time they SPARRED kakashi probably won. but if we're talking a fight to the death, kakashi would be in the ground right next to rin...
Don't really understand your logic. What makes you believe that the one Gai will fight won't be a raiton kage bunshin for example? In that case if he gets paralysed, it's over for him. You also seem to forget that when they "sparred", Kakashi most likely could not go all out, since like i've said he wasn't interested at all to begin with, and also i'm sure he could not use jutsus like Raikiri or Kamui since it could kill Gai
 

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I think GAI wins with gates

Where is your proof that he didn't had gates during the chunin exam? And what makes you believe Gai would automatically win with gates?

Kakashi was surprise seeing lee using gates at such a young age so I'm sure GAI didn't have it at the chunin exam. Because GAI is 3 times faster then Kakashi when he has gates
 

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Don't really understand your logic. What makes you believe that the one Gai will fight won't be a raiton kage bunshin for example? In that case if he gets paralysed, it's over for him. You also seem to forget that when they "sparred", Kakashi most likely could not go all out, since like i've said he wasn't interested at all to begin with, and also i'm sure he could not use jutsus like Raikiri or Kamui since it could kill Gai

gai doesn't have a fighting style that would allow you to half ass it, not even for a second. that is exactly why i don't think kakashi would have the time to use a lightening clone. gai doesn't use ninjutsu so the only way a diversion would be created is if kakashi would be able to get one off. the second he goes to weave hand signs gai would be all over him. just a bad match up if you ask me. i love me some kakashi just as much as the next man, but i just don't see him beating gai in a fight to the death...
 

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Kakashi was surprise seeing lee using gates at such a young age so I'm sure GAI didn't have it at the chunin exam. Because GAI is 3 times faster then Kakashi when he has gates
How do you rate the difference in speed between Gai in gates and Kakashi to know it's 3times? :rofl: But again, you forget we've seen them fighting on par, and Gai really didn't seemed so fast for Kakashi from my point of view
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How do you rate the difference in speed between Gai in gates and Kakashi to know it's 3times? :rofl: But again, you forget we've seen them fighting on par, and Gai really didn't seemed so fast for Kakashi from my point of view
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everyone knows chidori increases speed. that's why minato told him not to use it before he had a sharingan. also that's only 6 gates not 7. both of them at base kakashi gets raped. you have to assume if they're even there, then at 7 gates gai has to be faster right:shrug:
 

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gai doesn't have a fighting style that would allow you to half ass it, not even for a second. that is exactly why i don't think kakashi would have the time to use a lightening clone. gai doesn't use ninjutsu so the only way a diversion would be created is if kakashi would be able to get one off. the second he goes to weave hand signs gai would be all over him. just a bad match up if you ask me. i love me some kakashi just as much as the next man, but i just don't see him beating gai in a fight to the death...
I think you overestimate Gai speed in gates. Like i've said, we've already seen that Kakashi was able to fight with him on par and they were going all out at that moment, so there is no excuses there(they were fighting Tailed Beast after all). I also think you underestimate Kakashis handseals. Kakashi has one of the fastest handseal in this manga after ninjas like Itachi(he has 5/5 in this category in databook for example) and we've seen it in the manga many times already, so i don't really believe that Kakashi could not use handseals infront of Gai(even in gates) especially when you know he has the sharingan to predict attacks. Sure like Lee said, Sharingan is useless if your body isn't able to react, but that's "if your body isn't able to react". What makes you think Kakashi can't react? He fight Gai everytime after all, so he knows his fighting style perfectly
 

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I think you overestimate Gai speed in gates. Like i've said, we've already seen that Kakashi was able to fight with him on par and they were going all out at that moment, so there is no excuses there(they were fighting Tailed Beast after all). I also think you underestimate Kakashis handseals. Kakashi has one of the fastest handseal in this manga after ninjas like Itachi(he has 5/5 in this category in databook for example) and we've seen it in the manga many times already, so i don't really believe that Kakashi could not use handseals infront of Gai(even in gates) especially when you know he has the sharingan to predict attacks. Sure like Lee said, Sharingan is useless if your body isn't able to react, but that's "if your body isn't able to react". What makes you think Kakashi can't react? He fight Gai everytime after all, so he knows his fighting style perfectly

who do you think is faster, sasuke or kakashi? sasuke couldn't react to b without a chakra cloak when he used all of his swords. are you gonna sit there and say that gai in 7 gates doesn't have comparable speed to b WITHOUT his chakra cloak?! c'mon bro....
 

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who do you think is faster, sasuke or kakashi? sasuke couldn't react to b without a chakra cloak when he used all of his swords. are you gonna sit there and say that gai in 7 gates doesn't have comparable speed to b WITHOUT his chakra cloak?! c'mon bro....
I think Kakashi and Sasuke are about the same speed, but Kakashi is better in taijutsu than Sasuke. He fights an expert like Gai everytime. Sasuke doesn't have this chance. Anyway about Sasuke vs Bee, i think you're misjudging. Sasuke wasn't surpassed by Bee speed, he was surpassed cuz Bee style was unpredictable even with the sharingan. You can even notice that it was even easier for Sasuke to dodge Bee with his chakra cloak than Bee in base mode, simply because Bee with chakra cloak eventhough he was faster, he wasn't unpredicatable anymore. Speed is not the only think which is needed to counter sharingan. You must be unpredictable. This is what is needed
 
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How do you rate the difference in speed between Gai in gates and Kakashi to know it's 3times? :rofl: But again, you forget we've seen them fighting on par, and Gai really didn't seemed so fast for Kakashi from my point of view
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Lol ok I guess I was over exaggerating the 3x faster thing xD my bad but guy is still faster than Kakashi that pic only showed them about to run it just show tht they start running at the same time n chidori makes u go faster. I have never seem Kakashi where he goes so fast tht we can't c him like lee, guy, A, minato, and Naruto does
 

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I think Kakashi and Sasuke are about the same speed, but Kakashi is better in taijutsu than Sasuke. He fights an expert like Gai everytime. Sasuke doesn't have this chance. Anyway about Sasuke vs Bee, i think you're misjudging. Sasuke wasn't surpassed by Bee speed, he was surpassed cuz Bee style was unpredictable even with the sharingan. You can even notice that it was even easier for Sasuke to dodge Bee with his chakra cloak than Bee in base mode, simply because Bee with chakra cloak eventhough he was faster, he wasn't unpredicatable anymore. Speed is not the only think which is needed to counter sharingan. You must be unpredictable. This is what is needed

lol you're gonna have a hot thread bro because i will NOT let you have the last word xd i made that comparison because sasuke has two sharingan and couldn't keep up. and did he predict and react to b when he knocked his chest off??? it just goes to show when you have sic speed like that there isn't anything you can do if you can't match said sic speed
 

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Lol ok I guess I was over exaggerating the 3x faster thing xD my bad but guy is still faster than Kakashi that pic only showed them about to run it just show tht they start running at the same time n chidori makes u go faster. I have never seem Kakashi where he goes so fast tht we can't c him like lee, guy, A, minato, and Naruto does
No problem i understand xd Anyway, about what you mentioned, i'm absolutely sure we've already seen all of them(including Kakashi) blitzing someone, but it all depends on the opponent also. For example, you count Lee, but he was fighting in a chunin exam, so the level is quite below current levels for example. Actually i've never seen Gai blitzing a strong level opponent also. Sure he was faster than Kisame, but Kisame was still able to see and even follow him
lol you're gonna have a hot thread bro because i will NOT let you have the last word xd i made that comparison because sasuke has two sharingan and couldn't keep up. and did he predict and react to b when he knocked his chest off??? it just goes to show when you have sic speed like that there isn't anything you can do if you can't match said sic speed
Ok if you want xd Anyway, when Bee knocked his chest off, Sasuke wasn't looking at him, cuz he thought it was over with the genjutsu. It was a surprise attack which has nothing to do with speed here
 
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No problem i understand xd Anyway, about what you mentioned, i'm absolutely sure we've already seen all of them(including Kakashi) blitzing someone, but it all depends on the opponent also. For example, you count Lee, but he was fighting in a chunin exam, so the level is quite below current levels for example. Actually i've never seen Gai blitzing a strong level opponent also. Sure he was faster than Kisame, but Kisame was still able to see and even follow him

you just hit the nail on the head man. if pre teen lee can move faster than the naked eye can see, his master can't?????
 

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you just hit the nail on the head man. if pre teen lee can move faster than the naked eye can see, his master can't?????
Like i've said, it depends on the level. Lee was blitzing genin(or chunin) level opponents. It's as if you was saying that if Krillin can blitz Bulma that means he can blitz Goku xd
 

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Like i've said, it depends on the level. Lee was blitzing genin(or chunin) level opponents. It's as if you was saying that if Krillin can blitz Bulma that means he can blitz Goku xd

your speed doesn't change because of who you're fighting against.... it's still your speed. i don't think we're on the same page anymore lol
 

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your speed doesn't change because of who you're fighting against.... it's still your speed. i don't think we're on the same page anymore lol
You're right. I'm pretty sure that this is what you're thinking about Gai speed xd:
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Btw, Itachi was funny on these pics :rofl:
 

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You're right. I'm pretty sure that this is what you're thinking about Gai speed xd:
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Btw, Itachi was funny on these pics :rofl:

Lol that's hilarious +rep xD did u make tht?
 
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