Kakashi vs Orochimaru

[BigTDogg220]

WTH Ahhh! How many time do I have to say it Oro has NO Jitsu! The third sealed his jitsu. He only has Tiejitsu and VERY Limited summoning jitsu.

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-All of his Jitsu being sealed

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-Oro preforming a summon

The Third sealed Orochimaru's arms so that he couldn't use his ninjutsu, but once he transfered himself to a new body he had access to all his jutsu again. No arms no hand seals and no hand seals...no jutsu, there is no way we've been shown to actually seal someone's jutsu.

 

[Zayon Uchiha]

The Third sealed Orochimaru's arms so that he couldn't use his ninjutsu, but once he transfered himself to a new body he had access to all his jutsu again. No arms no hand seals and no hand seals...no jutsu, there is no way we've been shown to actually seal someone's jutsu.

lol

 

[Vareec1997]

Kakashi he has that sharingan warp thing

 

[LordRaikage]

no competiton. orochi is by far stronger than kakashi.srry fanboys.

 

[Kneegrowman]

Oro, People run in fear when they hear of Oro. When they see Kakashi they're like, Wait, Are you white fangs son????

 

[Bluedevil]

The Third sealed Orochimaru's arms so that he couldn't use his ninjutsu, but once he transfered himself to a new body he had access to all his jutsu again. No arms no hand seals and no hand seals...no jutsu, there is no way we've been shown to actually seal someone's jutsu.

Oro hands were not sealed but the part of the "soul" itself. Because if he has no spiritual chakra then he can not mix physical and spirtal. Lets have an example, if he did have jitsu then why hasn't he used any ninjitsu since the chunin exams? He has both wind and earth techniques yet he has never resorted to utilizing either of them. Even when almost being killed by Naruto and being taken over by Sasuke.
Then what about the seals on Oro's arms. Did he just get tats? or do you think that the seals have something to do with his previous injury. Heck I would even be willing to say that these tats allows him to summon the three gates in times of great need.
Then how about the 9tails fox, he is a mass of Chakra (both physical and spirtal) and when the dead demon seal was used he shrunk because his spiritual chakra was sealed away. Thus is why he uses only physical attacks and no natured attacks.
In addition just because you can transfer your soul does not mean that your should can not be damaged, as in Oro's case. My proof for this is that he went to the 5th hokage to get healed because though he is great at healing his own body he is not so good at healing his soul. Hmm kinda seems like a character plot...

In short because of the evidence listed above I conclude that Oro has no jitsu and that my original argument stands that Kakashi has substitutions, numerous jitsu, shariengun, and possibly the white fang jitsu and Oro has Physical strenght, great defenses (healing/summons), and endurence/mass chakra reserves
This whole debate on if Kakashi could use kumi to defeat Oro is dense because it is a one shot deal and if he misses he is done, end of story. Both characters have soooo much more at their disposal that we could be debating instead of rehashing the same thing over and over.

 

[Brucewen001]

I am dying to say kakashi but, i have a confusion! will any one solve that and get the true answer:
1.scene is ,kakashi with ms, will immobalyze oro some how(?any how).
2. now kakashi can kill him. BUT HOW?????????? that damn oro did not die by getting in half divided(naruto did this before). i doubt that he would die by piercing heart or chidori or beheaded or any physical damage.so, here kakashi would be caught and killed.unless kakashi know how to kill oro he cannot kill him.kamui MAYBE can help him.

 

[Inspector]

im more of a kakashi fan but im pretty sure oro would win big snake vs pakun big difference just by hes sum

 

[jjnew123]

I just dont see how kakashi can win.

Tsunade i believe is better at taijutsu and alot stronger than kakashi and oro took a direct hit to tsunades most powerfull punch and all it did was chip a little bit skin away.. so i dont see taijutsu being much of a factor against oro.

oro was sliced cleanly in half by one of 4 tail narutos claws and all oro did was jus regenerate and connect his body back together, so i dont know if kakashi were even to peirce him with chidori that it would even do anything..

oros summons deffinilty beats kakashis summons lol

even if a part or half of oros body was hit with kamui he can just generate it back...

kakashi said himself back at the chunin exams that he would be no match for oro.. besides kamui i dont think hes develope any new jutsu besides ms and kamui. even tho kakashi has MS and kamui i dont think one or two new moves will make much of a difference in this fight

 

[Hokage emmanuel]

Dont be so sure about oro winning, we've not really seen kakashi in a full battle with someone his level for him to show his full powers...MS Plus copy-catting...oro is toast, he'll simply read oro's moves and act on it b4 oro spells orochimaru...hope you all r not forgetting that oro's weak point is genjutsu so kakashi goes genjutsu on oro and he's roasted like a snake steak. Doubt it?

 

[Lentz]

Dont be so sure about oro winning, we've not really seen kakashi in a full battle with someone his level for him to show his full powers...MS Plus copy-catting...oro is toast, he'll simply read oro's moves and act on it b4 oro spells orochimaru...hope you all r not forgetting that oro's weak point is genjutsu so kakashi goes genjutsu on oro and he's roasted like a snake steak. Doubt it?

Databook. Orochimaru got 5 in genjutsu while Kakashi got 4. Kakashi can't use genjutsu with his MS or it at least hasn't been shown yet, and he isn't really an all-around genjutsu user

 

[Bluedevil]

I am dying to say kakashi but, i have a confusion! will any one solve that and get the true answer:
1.scene is ,kakashi with ms, will immobalyze oro some how(?any how).
2. now kakashi can kill him. BUT HOW?????????? that damn oro did not die by getting in half divided(naruto did this before). i doubt that he would die by piercing heart or chidori or beheaded or any physical damage.so, here kakashi would be caught and killed.unless kakashi know how to kill oro he cannot kill him.kamui MAYBE can help him.

I like how your line of thinking props.

Kakashi has that Head Hunter jitsu but considering Oro is so flexible it would have to be even more powerful or elaborate version of this. He also has the Sharingan's hypnotic abilities that he could put to good use. However I do not think that he has any powerful genjitsu; a multitude of less powerful well combo(ed) attacks could bring him victory. But there is several problems with this. He has still not been shown with any devastating ninjitsu. Then he has the stamina problems/normal chakara levels. He could use the MS to finish him off but depending how much chakara he would use in battle then he would be killing himself/disabling himself.

 

[Bluedevil]

I just dont see how kakashi can win.

Tsunade i believe is better at taijutsu and alot stronger than kakashi and oro took a direct hit to tsunades most powerfull punch and all it did was chip a little bit skin away.. so i dont see taijutsu being much of a factor against oro.

oro was sliced cleanly in half by one of 4 tail narutos claws and all oro did was jus regenerate and connect his body back together, so i dont know if kakashi were even to peirce him with chidori that it would even do anything..

oros summons deffinilty beats kakashis summons lol

even if a part or half of oros body was hit with kamui he can just generate it back...

kakashi said himself back at the chunin exams that he would be no match for oro.. besides kamui i dont think hes develope any new jutsu besides ms and kamui. even tho kakashi has MS and kamui i dont think one or two new moves will make much of a difference in this fight

I entirely agree.

I just don't think Kakashi can currently cause enough damage to Oro to have any effect. The only thing that I can see happening is that Kakashi uses the Beheader from the mist to preform his dad's "White Fang" jitsu. If it lives up to it's hype then it just might be enough to give Kakashi victory.

 

[BigTDogg220]

Oro hands were not sealed but the part of the "soul" itself. Because if he has no spiritual chakra then he can not mix physical and spirtal. Lets have an example, if he did have jitsu then why hasn't he used any ninjitsu since the chunin exams? He has both wind and earth techniques yet he has never resorted to utilizing either of them. Even when almost being killed by Naruto and being taken over by Sasuke.
Then what about the seals on Oro's arms. Did he just get tats? or do you think that the seals have something to do with his previous injury. Heck I would even be willing to say that these tats allows him to summon the three gates in times of great need.
Then how about the 9tails fox, he is a mass of Chakra (both physical and spirtal) and when the dead demon seal was used he shrunk because his spiritual chakra was sealed away. Thus is why he uses only physical attacks and no natured attacks.
In addition just because you can transfer your soul does not mean that your should can not be damaged, as in Oro's case. My proof for this is that he went to the 5th hokage to get healed because though he is great at healing his own body he is not so good at healing his soul. Hmm kinda seems like a character plot...

In short because of the evidence listed above I conclude that Oro has no jitsu and that my original argument stands that Kakashi has substitutions, numerous jitsu, shariengun, and possibly the white fang jitsu and Oro has Physical strenght, great defenses (healing/summons), and endurence/mass chakra reserves.

Orochimaru had the tattoo during the chunnin exam

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. You make sense but there really aren't any ninjutsus Orochimaru used in the chunnin exam that we didn't see him use later except for the 5 elements seal and Summoning Impure World Resurrection. Bottomline if he can do any ninjutsus, which he can through summoning, then his jutsus can't have been sealed away.

 

[Koran of the Sand]

I am a bigger fan or Kakashi, but Oro would win, hands down. He was arguably the strongest Sannin and he was considered Kage level by the 3rd Hokage. Oro is MUCH faster, and any use of Kakashi's MS would deplete his chakra reservoirs too much. His MS is just a chakra killer with few additional perks. And as for his dog summons, I think the giant snake summons would completely obliterate them. There's no way Kakashi would be able to fight against 4 tailed Naruto. J-Man was barely able to do it, and Kakashi is NOT on his level. Kakashi would have been a horrible choice for Hokage to me. When compared to the other Kage, his stamina is too low and he always get's hurt in his fights, like the fight with Zabuza, his fight with Itachi, his fight with Kakuza. You get my drift?
Kakashi is apparently more likeable. But Oro would win EASILY.

 

[Uchihaibot]

As much as I love kakashi, it wuld be insulting to compare or match him up against Orochimaru

 

[Tensei]

gotta go with Oro, so many forbidden jutsu.

 

[juanduism]

so oro has some kool jutsu true...but lets remember that after oro was one of the legendary sannin he got side tracked and focused strictly on jutsu...kakashi on the other hand doesn't only have the sharingan, he has a few of his moves and a few others we haven't seen yet...all things aside oro was defeated twice from what we've seen kakshi not so much and even if kakashi dosent have super powerful jutsu he has technique and lets not forget he is super kool hahaha

 

[Bluedevil]

Orochimaru had the tattoo during the chunnin exam

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. You make sense but there really aren't any ninjutsus Orochimaru used in the chunnin exam that we didn't see him use later except for the 5 elements seal and Summoning Impure World Resurrection. Bottomline if he can do any ninjutsus, which he can through summoning, then his jutsus can't have been sealed away.

I conmend you on this post. I did not even notice that tat on him in the chunin exams. I concede my point on the tat. But I still have the question why does he not use any ninjitsu if it is avaible to him? I will be willing to debate that this tat summonings are fuinjitsu not ninjitsu. But as you stated that he has never used the elemental seal as well as edo tensi since the exams, both of these ninjitsu uses his hands. In fact (please correct me if I am wrong) has Oro even summoned mandura/any other snake since the exams? If I remember correctly his entire fighting style centers around oral attacks and he almost never if hardly ever uses his hands in combat. In addition what would be the point of the 3rd stating that ninjitsu would forever be out of his reach if he could just take another body and everything would be fine. What I mean by this is that he is called the professor and he apparently knew all about the immortality jitsu. So unless the 3rd was just lying to Oro what would be the point of kish having the 3rd say that?

 

[BigTDogg220]

I conmend you on this post. I did not even notice that tat on him in the chunin exams. I concede my point on the tat. But I still have the question why does he not use any ninjitsu if it is avaible to him? I will be willing to debate that this tat summonings are fuinjitsu not ninjitsu. But as you stated that he has never used the elemental seal as well as edo tensi since the exams, both of these ninjitsu uses his hands. In fact (please correct me if I am wrong) has Oro even summoned mandura/any other snake since the exams? If I remember correctly his entire fighting style centers around oral attacks and he almost never if hardly ever uses his hands in combat. In addition what would be the point of the 3rd stating that ninjitsu would forever be out of his reach if he could just take another body and everything would be fine. What I mean by this is that he is called the professor and he apparently knew all about the immortality jitsu. So unless the 3rd was just lying to Oro what would be the point of kish having the 3rd say that?

You're correct in saying he never summoned Manda himself after the exam. Kabuto used the seal on his arm to do it. Orochimaru is a strange one because he rarely ever used his arms to fight as you said it's mainly his mouth...which is funny for someone who wants to know all ninjutsu.

My only thought is that the 3rd may have believed removing his ability to use his arms would stop him from using any jutsu including his immortality jutsu for the remainder of his life.