I have been inactive (and have the tendency to forget about this forum) and was unable to respond to him in a timely fashion. A late reply is better than no reply.
To KidGamer, if I don't reply to your next post, take no offense. I've said everything I have to say on the matter, and unless you bring up anything new, anything I'd hypothetically reply with is something I have already listed in the response below:
He used it, the Gedo came out of Obito, it was stationary (That's a fact) then Kakashi used Kamui, then it warped away. So no, the actual summoning interrupted Kamui.
I've embraced it already. I know its fast, but you stating he intercepted a summon is false.
The summoning jutsu was what was utilized first. Madara slammed his hand on the ground and initiated the summon prior to Kakashi even activating the Mangekyo. The events, in order, are Madara initiating the summon and Kakashi reacting to it with Kamui.
But as I said earlier, I won't turn this debate into an argument over semantics.
Speculation is you stating or implying that is even possible Madara survived 4 Juubi Dama with his Perfect Susanoo when it was already wrecked by weaker techniques. Unless you think Chojo Kebutsu>Quad Juubi Dama.
I never denied it was speculation; if you look back at my original post, I did state it was arguable.
My reasoning was that lower forms of Susano'o upon activation usually constitutes a rib-cage, and the next time we see Madara he does not have the Susano'o aura around him any longer; thus my arguable conclusion that his Perfect Susano'o survived the attack.
I know, but I'm just letting you know that the size difference is still massive.
My initial post never denied a size difference.
My initial post was a response to your assertion that Perfect Susano'o cannot stand up to Minato's Naruto-sized Bijuudama. I responded by saying there is no basis for this since a smaller, and only top half of an unstabilized Susano'o took a 100% Kyuubi Bijuudama without signs of wear & tear / damage whatsoever.
So yes, Minato's hypothetical Bijuudama > the one Kyuubi used at VoTE.
But full body Perfect Susano'o > unstabilized top half of Susano'o.
Wrong. V4 tanked the impact of Mokujin slamming the ball into it, the actual explosion was tanked by Perfect Susanoo. And a standard Bijuu Dama from Kurama not damaging Perfect Susanoo doesn't mean a Bijuu Dama that dwarfed Bijuu isn't going to destroy it. It'd do moderate damage at the very least. More than one ends him.
Arguable. The explosion is initiated when Susano'o is still unstabilized. We do not see what transpires during the actual explosion. Kurama is considerably larger than any of the other Bijuu in full form. Naruto's avatar was roughly the same size as the other Bijuu.
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The difference is massive; full Kyuubi is several times the size of the other Bijuu. It's head alone is comparable to the 50% Kyuubi's entire body.
More than one won't be possible. Conjuring up a Bijuudama of that size took a noticeable charge time. Susano'o will not stand there and allow him to charge it. Kakashi's Susano'o has already displayed impressive mobility considering it dodged Kaguya's chakra arms that were outright stated to be really fast by current Naruto. Susano'os ability to fly may outright grant him the capability to dodge the attack outright (or phase through it).
Claiming my reply is nothing but an attempt to nitpick=/= a sophisticated reply.
You stating that he was referring to their jutsu and nothing else is obviously wrong, since it doesn't fit with the context of what Minato clearly said. He said whoever strikes first will win, whoever is "faster" wins. If Minato uses Hiraishin before Obito grabs him and warps him away, then he wins. If vice versa, then Obito wins.
I suggest you read the scan again. He never complimented Obito's jutsu in that scan, he was talking about how it works, and how Obito solidifies to attack, then said he has to trade hits with him, which is the main reason it came down to a split second. He was talking about their own speed, not the speed of their jutsu.
He stated it was a jutsu more advanced than his and Tobirama's. Within the context of that thought process, he is discussing the jutsu's potency. Their own speed is merely the medium through which they clash; upon actually clashing, it was a battle between S/T jutsu.
Ay's reactions with his armor on~Minato's reactions>Kakashi's reactions. Unless you think Kakashi has better reactions than Ay, which is nonsense. BM Minato would be way above both Kakashi and Ay.
It is not nonsense.
Sasuke reacted to V1 Raikage physically and reacted to V2 Raikage mentally / ocularly (via glancing behind him / activating Amaterasu shield prior to the hit). There is no real basis for Sasuke so shortly after DB3 (where him and Kakashi are speed/reflexive equals) to outclass Kakashi by any margin.
Current Kakashi mentally / ocularly reacted to Juubi Madara bum-rushing him while he was off-guard / down on his knees (he turned his head and made eye contact and took note of Madara's presence prior to Madara touching him) and physically reacted to a dimension spawning beneath him, and managed to save two other people all the same. Minato's reflexes are not above Kakashi's by any large margin, if any at all.
Sasuke (pre-Hagoromo), Minato, and Kakashi are all comparable in terms of pure reflexes. Minato simply looks better due to the nature of Hiraishin. If Sasuke and Kakashi had Hiraishin they'd have been able to do the same thing in Minato's place, since all Hiraishin takes is mentally reacting to the opponent's offensive.
In fact, you stating Kakashi and BM Minato have similar reaction times is ridiculous since BM Minato's reactions would surpass BM Naruto's reactions (As Base Minato>Base Naruto in reactions) which would mean you are telling me Kakashi has better reactions than BM Naruto. Basing this off one scan of them reaching for Zetsu at the same time is clearly inconclusive, and flawed.
It isn't inconclusive.
They are right next to each other reacting to the exact same thing. It is literally one of the best ways to compare characters. We are not comparing them across different chapters and with different feats / different opponents / different situations. It is a common situation, common location, and common enemy. It is the best benchmark for comparison one can have for characters.
It yielding results that you find unfavorable does not mean it is inconclusive.
That's not experience. Obito's hand phasing through Rin's body is concrete proof he had zero experience with his jutsu.
You are deviating from my point, which was that Kamui's broken nature can give off the illusion of experience despite the fact the user is not at all experienced, as Obito demonstrated. Allowing a deadbeat Chunin to beat an army of Jonin / ANBU is not a feat any other jutsu can boast of.
Phasing through Rin has no bearing on his combat capabilities, which he demonstrated were top tier from the moment he got Kamui. It could be anything ranging from his inexperience to him still being on edge after slaughtering that Mist army.
Then why are you attempting to marginalize the improvements that Obito has had over a 16 year time span? Ocular jutsu's potency are directly correlated with the user's reflexes. Listing it as a minor point makes no sense.
