[VS] Kakashi vs Minato

[Dãrth1]

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First scenario:
Kakashi with mastery over MS with full vision vs Alive Minato
Second scenario:
Curent Kakashi vs BM Minato

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Yeah, this is no longer debatable pal. Kakashi turns Minato into yellow paste.

 

[Dãrth1]

Yeah, this is no longer debatable pal. Kakashi turns Minato into yellow paste.

What about first scenario then

 

[Gold Lightning]

First scenario: Kakashi

Second scenario: Minato

Edit - I read the first scenario wrong. I'm assuming this is just 1 MS Kakashi. Then minato takes both scenarios.

 

[Dãrth1]

First scenario: Kakashi

Second scenario: Minato

Like, wut
Second Scenario is when Kakashi has advantage

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Oops, read wrong.

S1 - Minato
2 - Kakashi

Would love to elaborate but cant on my iphone. Too long.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Is first scenario pre asspull Kakashi?

As in War Arc Kakashi with 1 Sharingan?

If yes, Minato stomps.

If it's PS Kakashi he wins.

As for scenario 2, Minato wins.

Kamui is pointless against Minato and BM > PS.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Like, wut
Second Scenario is when Kakashi has advantage

Minato still has the advantage because he's still faster and his space time jutsu is also faster. So yeah, I vote BM minato.

 

[KidGamer65]

If the first scenario is One eyed MS Kakashi, he loses. He loses against BM Minato as well.

 

[DHOH]

If the first scenario is One eyed MS Kakashi, he loses. He loses against BM Minato as well.

Current Kakashi may not have any feats, but if we give him the same feats as Obito then this guy is top tier..

Forget Minato, current Kakashi is fighting Madara, naruto and Sasuke.. He may not have Senjutsu, but he doesn't need that against anyone but Juubi's jins..

I personally think Minato has zero chance of winning.. Kakashi can phase through all Minato's attacks. And can warp him up close or far away... This guy could hit Minato with a Genjutsu from his right eye and warp his head off at the same time.. Obito's eyes are better than all other sets of eyes including the rinnengan.

 

[KidGamer65]

Current Kakashi may not have any feats, but if we give him the same feats as Obito then this guy is top tier..

Forget Minato, current Kakashi is fighting Madara, naruto and Sasuke.. He may not have Senjutsu, but he doesn't need that against anyone but Juubi's jins..

I personally think Minato has zero chance of winning.. Kakashi can phase through all Minato's attacks. And can warp him up close or far away... This guy could hit Minato with a Genjutsu from his right eye and warp his head off at the same time.. Obito's eyes are better than all other sets of eyes including the rinnengan.

Alive Minato? Yes, he gets wrecked by DMS Kakashi. BM Minato? No.

-Hiraishin>Kamui, and BM Minato's speed and reactions surpass Kakashi's. So if he tries to warp him, Minato evades it.

-Obito could phase through all of Minato's attacks too, but look how his fight with Minato ended.

-Genjutsu is irrelevant here due to Kurama, nor is it ever landing anyway.

 

[DHOH]

Alive Minato? Yes, he gets wrecked by DMS Kakashi. BM Minato? No.

-Hiraishin>Kamui, and BM Minato's speed and reactions surpass Kakashi's. So if he tries to warp him, Minato evades it.

-Obito could phase through all of Minato's attacks too, but look how his fight with Minato ended.

-Genjutsu is irrelevant here due to Kurama, nor is it ever landing anyway.

Harishin over one ms Kamui not two.
Kakashi warps all Minato's kunai to another dimension, and snipe him from a distance.. Obito could do that..
Kakashi crush BM Minato with his perfect Susanoo
All Kakashi would need is a mil second to warp his head off from a, Genjutsu.

 

[Black Wolf]

Minato outright stated that it came down to a split second when he was up against 14 year old Obito's single Kamui. Minato came out on top, but again I stress that this was one Kamui against a far less experienced 14 year old Obito, and Minato only won by a hair by his own admission.

Kakashi's Kamui outsped a far more experienced 30 year old Obito's Kamui, and if we are taking into account both Kamui eyes being used together, it is noticeably faster. There is no basis for Hiraishin outspeeding double Kamui from an experienced user when a single-eyed inexperienced user of the technique alone pushed Hiraishin to its limit.

 

[Unorthodox]

Kakashi wins this but he could lose due to chakra problems

 

[KidGamer65]

Harishin over one ms Kamui not two.
Kakashi warps all Minato's kunai to another dimension, and snipe him from a distance.. Obito could do that..
Kakashi crush BM Minato with his perfect Susanoo
All Kakashi would need is a mil second to warp his head off from a, Genjutsu.

Its instant, Kamui isn't, even with both eyes. Kakashi's reactions dictate when the jutsu activates. Minato's dictates when his activates, and Minato's reactions in Base surpass Kakashi's let alone Bijuu Mode Minato. Kamui isn't ever going to catch him. Ever.

His PS is at best equal to Madara's since we have no feats, and even then Madara's Susanoo lacks the power to get through the Kurama Avatar and it lacks the defense to tank the strongest Bijuu Dama Minato can make, which is the same as the one Naruto can make. The one that he used to match the other 5 Bijuu's power.

And Genjutsu isn't landing when they are in PS and BM. Eye contact isn't even being established let alone Genjutsu.

Minato outright stated that it came down to a split second when he was up against 14 year old Obito's single Kamui. Minato came out on top, but again I stress that this was one Kamui against a far less experienced 14 year old Obito, and Minato only won by a hair by his own admission.

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first would win, not that whoever's jutsu is faster would win, especially since Kamui's speed means nothing if Obito can't touch him to actually use the jutsu. That scan referred to Obito and Minato's speed, not the speed of their jutsu, cause once again, Hiraishin is instant.

Hiraishin is instant and Kamui is not. Minato's reactions are much faster than Kakashi's especially while using Bijuu Mode. Kamui isn't going to get him. Ever.

Kakashi's Kamui outsped a far more experienced 30 year old Obito's Kamui, and if we are taking into account both Kamui eyes being used together, it is noticeably faster. There is no basis for Hiraishin outspeeding double Kamui from an experienced user when a single-eyed inexperienced user of the technique alone pushed Hiraishin to its limit.

At the end of the day, as I said above. Hiraishin is instant and Kamui is not, even with the power of both eyes. Minato having BM here to increase his reaction timing only makes your comparison using his Base state all the less credible. Minato himself is faster than Kakashi in every way that relates to speed and his jutsu is faster. Its quite clear that the guy is never getting caught in Kamui. The only way he gets caught is if he gets touched and warped away at Double Speeds, or caught in the long range warp barrier (Though he'll probably only lose a limb).

And what is with this inexperienced argument? There is literally no basis for this besides Obito being 14 years old at the time. He showed no signs of "inexperience" with his jutsu. The only time he showed inexperience was when he first got it.

 

[Demonic.]

Kakashi wins this but he could lose due to chakra problems

Castiel don't smoke. I call bs bro.

Ot: keep over rating Kakashi and it's just gonna be sad when he gets f*cked up by Kaguya

 

[Black Wolf]

Its instant, Kamui isn't, even with both eyes. Kakashi's reactions dictate when the jutsu activates. Minato's dictates when his activates, and Minato's reactions in Base surpass Kakashi's let alone Bijuu Mode Minato. Kamui isn't ever going to catch him. Ever.

Kakashi intercepted a teleporting giant summon.

His PS is at best equal to Madara's since we have no feats, and even then Madara's Susanoo lacks the power to get through the Kurama Avatar and it lacks the defense to tank the strongest Bijuu Dama Minato can make, which is the same as the one Naruto can make. The one that he used to match the other 5 Bijuu's power.

Arguable; Madara's Susano'o aura was

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after a quad Juubi-dama.

Madara's Susano'o also tanked a

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in unstabilized form, without showing any signs of weakening. Yes, it was probably smaller than Naruto's but not as much as it seems given 100% Kurama is much bigger than Naruto's avatar.

Yeah, whoever

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first would win, not that whoever's jutsu is faster would win, especially since Kamui's speed means nothing if Obito can't touch him to actually use the jutsu. That scan referred to Obito and Minato's speed, not the speed of their jutsu, cause once again, Hiraishin is instant.

They were "striking" at each other with their S/T jutsu, which was what Minato was referring to. Minato had just finished talking about Obito's S/T jutsu, and that was the context in which that statement was made.

Hiraishin is instant and Kamui is not. Minato's reactions are much faster than Kakashi's especially while using Bijuu Mode. Kamui isn't going to get him. Ever.

Kamui tore off a building sized object mid-summon. The gap in their reactions is not massive. Both Minato and Kakashi simultaneously reacted to Black Zetsu's attempt at taking over Obito's body, and Minato was unable to perceive Kakashi warping his Senpo Rasengan, assuming he got hit rather than warped it.

And what is with this inexperienced argument? There is literally no basis for this besides Obito being 14 years old at the time. He showed no signs of "inexperience" with his jutsu. The only time he showed inexperience was when he first got it.

Because Kamui is inherently a broken jutsu, so even when the user just began using it, it still comes off as powerful. Give intangibility to anyone, and they will come off as strong even when they lack experience, ala Chunin Obito. 16 years of experience, not to mention natural growth (chakra, body, skill, etc) is a significant passive improvement for a character. You are comparing someone as a middle schooler vs. in their prime.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi intercepted a teleporting giant summon.

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It emerged from the Mazo, it was stationary, then Kakashi tried to warp it away and it teleported. Once the barrier was formed around it, even teleportation couldn't save it completely. That isn't teleporting mid summon, that was the Mazo being teleported away Mid Kamui. There's a difference.

Arguable; Madara's Susano'o aura was

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after a quad Juubi-dama.

That simply means he was going to recall Susanoo. When its destroyed, the aura isn't left behind. Besides, his Susanoo was wrecked by Chojo Kebutsu from Shinsuusenju. Quad Juubi Dama are going to destroy it.

Madara's Susano'o also tanked a

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in unstabilized form, without showing any signs of weakening. Yes, it was probably smaller than Naruto's but not as much as it seems given 100% Kurama is much bigger than Naruto's avatar.

It was way smaller. Naruto's equaled a

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. Unless you think Full Kurama's head dwarfs 5 full sized Bijuu even more than that Bijuu Dama did, there is no way there is a small size difference between these two Bijuu Dama.

They were "striking" at each other with their S/T jutsu, which was what Minato was referring to.

How would Obito "strike" with his S/T Jutsu when he can't activate it unless he touches his target?

Kamui tore off a building sized object mid-summon. The gap in their reactions is not massive. Both Minato and Kakashi simultaneously reacted to Black Zetsu's attempt at taking over Obito's body, and Minato was unable to perceive Kakashi warping his Senpo Rasengan, assuming he got hit rather than warped it.

It wasn't mid summon. Mazo was warped away mid Kamui, and the bold means nothing at all.

-Base Minato's reactions are faster than Ay's as he was able o react to Ay's top speed and dodge with Hiraishin, not to mention Minato was stated to be faster than Ay. Ay was the fastest man alive after Minato's death, reactions and all. BM increases Minato's speed and reactions by a lot, so the gap is large. BM Minato>>>Base Minato>Ay>Kakashi. I doubt that Kakashi's reactions are on par.


Them going for BZ at the same time doesn't mean that they are on par when it comes to reaction speed, especially given the above evidence, and the fact that by this logic we could say Kakashi and BM Minato's movement speed are on par. But that is false. Don't see how the Rasengan thing has to do with comparing their reactions though, it'd be hard to perceive anything going on with Kakashi when the moment Kakashi got "hit" with the Rasengan, he

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Because Kamui is inherently a broken jutsu, so even when the user just began using it, it still comes off as powerful. Give intangibility to anyone, and they will come off as strong even when they lack experience, ala Chunin Obito. 16 years of experience, not to mention natural growth (chakra, body, skill, etc) is a significant passive improvement for a character. You are comparing someone as a middle schooler vs. in their prime.

I never compared anyone. I only compared the jutsu, and asked how Obito showed any kind of inexperience with his jutsu when he fought Minato. It being broken doesn't mean that he should seem experienced with it. He sure didn't seem experienced with it back when he first unlocked it. Wasn't even referring to strength here.

The only thing you can argue is that Obito's reactions increased over time, thus increasing the speed of how fast he can activate Kamui. The jutsu speed itself isn't any better.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kakashi wins scene 1 but Minato gets raped in scene 2.

 

[Memento Mori]

Kakashi wins 1st scenario....If it is one eye'd MS Kakashi..he loses

BM Minato wins second