Kakashi >= Obito

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Wrong only Obito portrayed to be fighting Kakashi, Naruto, Gai and Bee together is the one they had no knowledge about. Currently with full knowledge they already have on his capacity, Obito isn't replicating that feat. In fact it's more portrayed that in this condition, Kakashi is his equal or stronger like i'm saying

No...

The only times Kakashi has ever had a chance to kill Obito was in conjunction with Naruto. The only time Kakashi has been alone with Obito is when Obito was playing with him. I already listed why Obito is stronger.

The only thing Kakashi has that could possibly be construed as an advantage for Kakashi is Kamui. In every other aspect Obito surpasses Kakashi. Kakashi just can't win, and I think you know that...

 

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Let me get this straight. You think kakashi beats a mokuton and rinnegan user? Well okay. Maybe he should fight madara instead of hashi.
You mean a mokuton user who is far below Yamato(a Kakashi fanboy) and rinnengan user who never uses rinnengan techniques? Yeah i think Kakashi could defeat him
 

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You mean a mokuton user who is far below Yamato(a Kakashi fanboy) and rinnengan user who never uses rinnengan techniques? Yeah i think Kakashi could defeat him

Alright. Just making sure. I'll remember to post the manga scan next week, or week after, with kakashi laying dead at obito's feet.
 

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No...

The only times Kakashi has ever had a chance to kill Obito was in conjunction with Naruto. The only time Kakashi has been alone with Obito is when Obito was playing with him. I already listed why Obito is stronger.

The only thing Kakashi has that could possibly be construed as an advantage for Kakashi is Kamui. In every other aspect Obito surpasses Kakashi. Kakashi just can't win, and I think you know that...

In what aspect exactly does Obito surpass Kakashi? We've already seen that Kakashi . Kakashi is a greater ninjutsu user than him. He has plenty of suiton, doton, raiton techniques that he add with his clones proficiency when Obito's has poor mokuton techniques far from Yamato's level(all what he can produce is a weak root from his body), no rinnengan techniques. Only worth thing concerning Obito's ninjutsu is his large katon release. Kakashi is also much smarter than him. So what is the advantage you are talking about? Beside stamina, Obito has no advantage on Kakashi

Alright. Just making sure. I'll remember to post the manga scan next week, or week after, with kakashi laying dead at obito's feet.
I'd be glad if it were true, but don't be mad then if it turns out to be the contrary ;)
 

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Well, if Kakashi doesn't somehow chop Obito's head off, I don't see him winning. I mean, forget intangibiltiy - we already know Obito is safe and sound with one huge gaping raikiri hole in his chest where his heart was supposed to be. How would another raikiri strike on a less vital region kill him?
 

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Obito is a bad Shinobi, Kishi gave him the best tools (mokuton,rinnegan,big chakra,zetsu,senju dna etc...) but he's still bad and unskilled.
It would be a shame for Kakashi if he die against him.
 

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In what aspect exactly does Obito surpass Kakashi? We've already seen that Kakashi . Kakashi is a greater ninjutsu user than him. He has plenty of suiton, doton, raiton techniques that he add with his clones proficiency when Obito's has poor mokuton techniques far from Yamato's level(all what he can produce is a weak root from his body), no rinnengan techniques. Only worth thing concerning Obito's ninjutsu is his large katon release. Kakashi is also much smarter than him. So what is the advantage you are talking about? Beside stamina, Obito has no advantage on Kakashi

I'd be glad if it were true, but don't be mad then if it turns out to be the contrary ;)

Lol I hate obito so I could care less but logically speaking kakashi won't beat him.
That'd mean 5hokage, 4 kage, SA, 2 jins, 3 kage level shin obi and kakashi who would then be stronger than obito has to fight a juubi and madara? How is that even a fight that makes sense? Kakashi already attempted to kamui juubi so manga would have time end next chapter or kish I would be on obvious bs.


One last thing. Obi to already took a raikiri through his chest. That either means rai kiri is in effective and he has no chance, or that he's that susceptible to photo's genjutsu. Either way its bad news for him.
PS: obito stated that he could have used human path, therefore he can actually use Rinnegan techs.
 

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Those "multiple" times where Kakashi could have killed him was when Obito was busy dodging Naruto's attacks and Kakashi was hitting him from the other dimension.....that doesn't mean anything.


Obito has mokuton

his zetsu body makes him survive the impossible(he survived getting crushed by a rock because of it) he also took Minato's rasengan like it was nothing, lived through Konan's suicide blast, Torune's poison, etc.

Izanagi+all other uchiha kinjutsu

He most likely has Tsukuyomi along with other powerful genjutsu that even a perfect jinchuriki(yagura) was controlled with.....Kakashi wouldn't be able to break out of those.

His fire jutsu, bakafu ranbu, was overwhelming for kakashi and is on a different scale than any of Kakashi's jutsu. He only survived because Naruto blocked it with his tails

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Lets, just say this. Right now no one is shitting on anyone, they are stabbing the heck out of each other. Just wait and watch what happens.
 

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Because he still has Mokuton, he still has Rinnegan, both Kamuis are useless so Kakashi's best move is out, meanwhile Obito can still go intangible, etc., etc.
It's obvious who's better.
 

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we know kakashis kamui has already been completely negated when used offensively
we know kakashis either still in genjutsu or was in genjutsu and had this been no holds barred fight, obi would have just walked up and finished him rather than trying to convert him. or that they are having an illusion duel.
how is he supposed to go intangible when he's already in the dimension that allowed him to do so? You could argue that he could send his parts back to the real world, but that's suicide considering what's going on there in the first place. its obvious to me that obito is in a locational and situational disadvantage.

kakashi began this battle having at least some intel on obi's abilities .

i know people are going to use the "you had chances to kill me"quote but that was with kurama chakra, backup from naruto himself etc.
obito himself could have and would have killed kakashi SEVERAL times now if not for naruto interfering or if not for his own plot induced mercy. at the end of the day characters die when kishi decides they should (tsunade).
hell obito had his chance 16 YEARS AGO. kakashi's alive because obi simply didn't feel like putting in the neccessary effort (till now).

also obito is simply one tough cookie. he took a headbutt from bm naruto and shrugged it off. his stamina is leagues beyond kakashi's. he can sacrifice/dispense his arms at will. he knows many forbidden techniques like izanagi. no way is someone like kakashi lasting 10 minutes vs an immortal. his gedo mazo has no answer from kakashi. raikiri literally did nothing to its hand .
thats not even counting obitos best summon which is kurama. the gap between them is huge
n what aspect exactly does Obito surpass Kakashi? We've already seen that Kakashi surpasses him in reflexive speed. Kakashi is a greater ninjutsu user than him.
you cant compare kakashi's basic elemental jutsus to flame barrier, rinnegan stakes, sharingan genjutsu, and his weapons (warfan, amber pot)
the barrier alone is s-rank.
also we've alreayd seen obito has better speed feats in the real world. for some reason without his kamui powers he seems way slower in the dimension
no rinnengan techniques.
bullshit. mazo was rinnegan. the big stakes and chains are rinnegan. human path but he hasnt shown that yet
Obito isn't replicating that feat. In fact it's more portrayed that in this condition, Kakashi is his equal or stronger like i'm saying
if hes stronger how come obito got him in a genjutsu and is implied to still be inside it? if obi can send his body parts to the origianl world then kakashi cant hit him
Beside stamina, Obito has no advantage on Kakashi
nothing kakashi has matches madara level katon, izanagi and uchiha barrier
You mean a mokuton user who is far below Yamato(a Kakashi fanboy) and rinnengan user who never uses rinnengan techniques? Yeah i think Kakashi could defeat him
no we mean a user of massive chakra chains, human path, powerful summonings, powerful barriers and izanagi. like it or not outer path is rinnegan

Just to remind you, Obito already said Kakashi had multiple occasions to kill him
only because of naruto bee and gai. did you forget OBITO had multiple chances to kill KAKASHI?
bito was capable to handle all of them. With knowledge, Obito would have been defeated since long time ago by them.
so you admit kakashi couldn't have solo'd an obito not in his prime?
Obito is a bad Shinobi, Kishi gave him the best tools (mokuton,rinnegan,big chakra,zetsu,senju dna etc...) but he's still bad and unskilled.
It would be a shame for Kakashi if he die against him.
obito is one of the most capable people. kishi gave him good tools but he prefers to use basic ninja stuff (sharingan genjutsu, shurikens). thats the sign of someone who prefers not to spam OP shit if he doesnt have to
 

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Obito > kakashi needs no explanation, just common sense.
 

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Some people keep saying that Obito shits on Kakashi despite recent events. Don't know why those people always like to contradict the manga. How does Obito actually defeat Kakashi?

- . Eventhough Obito can remain intangible, he needs to be tangible to make the contact necessary to warp the enemy and like we've seen already even surprised by Obito's sudden apparition, Kakashi in the other dimension at the same moment Obito did with him. So basically even if Obito were to try to make the contact to warp Kakashi, Kakashi could be able to warp him faster than him and in the other dimension

- Not only that, but even if Kakashi weren't warping him, warping Kakashi would still be useless since the guy so it doesn't count as a defeat even if he were to warp him there

What would Obito do to kill him then? Go to the other dimension to lose his intangibility advantage?

Just to remind you, Obito already said Kakashi had

Now we see , stabbing each other and i won't be surprised if next week it turns out to be a clone from Kakashi

I myself doesn't like the way it goes, but it's clearly how Kishi portrayed them. Don't know why people keep trying to live in denial

Kakashi has a plot shield on him. Also who's sharingan does he have again which has made him so powerful?
 

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Kakashi had multiple chances of killing him ALL thanks to Kurama and Naruto. Obito had multiple chances of killing him too, and if it weren't for Naruto, Kakashi would've been killed by Obito. If Obito went one on one with Kakashi, he'd win, easy-mid difficulty. He can't suck him in? Ok, lol, he can just kill him by snapping his neck or strangling him like he did multiple anbu and Konan, an S Rank Ninja.

So power ups not counted?Obito has Senju Dna,Madras Rinnegun,Gedou Mazou from Madara,Tailed beasts.... Kakashi has Ms and Naruto cloac Luck as u want Kakashi>Obito in Fair fight without that much Powerups....
 

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Prime obito vs prime no help from naruto, guy, kyubi, bee gets raped by obito!!!! No contest!

STop trolling, its not a good attempt bro.
 

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Sorry, I can not agree with this thread at all.

It is not how they are portrayed at all.

Obito fought Kakashi, Kirabi, Naruto, and Gai at the same time. Kakashi is merely a support for Naruto.

The only point where they are on the same level is in the Kamui dimension.


In fact, its hard to say they are on the same level there either.

Obito has near infinite chakra reserves, Kakashi has below average.

Obito has Mokuton and huge Katon, Kakashi has Raiton worse than Sasuke's.

Obito has the Rinnegan and Sharingan, Kakashi has merely a Sharingan.

The fact that you believe Kakashi is stronger is just.... wrong.

K ration worse than sasuke?

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Kakashi has a plot shield on him. Also who's sharingan does he have again which has made him so powerful?

Also who is the sole reason for that Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan being activated in the first place? I'll wait...

your rebuttal a little too late.
 
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