Kakashi Inconsistency

[Punk Hazard]

He wasnt correct when he clearly mistakenly said: "he got it at 3t"

its no fault of anyones that dude mixed his facts up if even a little. Soooo his childish "whatever" retort was amusing and no Dante... he was initially incorrect albeit the concept wasn't missed.

Lol

How was it childish? Did the fact that it was 2T and not 3T matter in the slightest?

 

[Amazeballs]

now its whatever? lol

uh anyone else has a better answer?

Aside from EMS users, whose new eyes essentially fuse with the old user's Sharingan, no one can fully "turn off" a transplanted Sharingan. Danzou's were always activated. Nagato could not go below Rinnegan. Etc. That's just how it is. Perhaps it's because the "chakra level" of the eye is contained in the transplanted eye, and can't simply return to the new user's body to turn off the eye. Idk

 

[Dantee]

He wasnt correct when he clearly mistakenly said: "he got it at 3t"

its no fault of anyones that dude mixed his facts up if even a little. Soooo his childish "whatever" retort was amusing and no Dante... he was initially incorrect albeit the concept wasn't missed.

Lol

The concept was completely missed by the OP :lol: You nitpick the little things and call him childish?

 

[Jokule67]

I never thought about this but it is a mystery, because he got it at 2t so that defeats the theories above. its odd enough he was able to use MS. the only thing that saves that plot hole is one can say since obito awakened it awakened in kakashi, but if that was the case then kakashi would figured out obito was still alive?? there's a lot of things that I wish they explained things more in naruto but oh well. one piece>naruto

Once three tomoe is awakened you cant go back to 1 or two tomoe.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Because the MS stage was awakened after the transplant. If he had gotten Obito's eye while Obito's eye was in the normal, deactivated stage, he would be able to go from normal to 3T to MS.

In simple terms, whatever the stage the eye was in when it was transplanted, that's its default stage. Nagato's eyes were default Rinnegan because the eyeballs were transplanted into his eyes in that stage.

So the sharingan and rinnegan are essentially, by definition, considered two different types of eyes. Even if it is just an evolution of a sharingan.

By theory a person without a rinnegan can activate one without having a sharingan at all. All he would need is Ashuras and Indras chakra.

So you can't really compare the attributes of the rinnegan with a sharingan because they have different rules on how to access them.

With the sharingan however, a non-Uchiha can only receive it once its implanted into them from an actual Uchiha who activated it. If you can only upgrade the sharingan from the stage in which you received it in, and not be able to downgrade, why is it possible to downgrade from MS back to 3 tomoe, if MS is a stage itself?

 

[Punk Hazard]

So the sharingan and rinnegan are essentially, by definition, considered two different types of eyes. Even if it is just an evolution of a sharingan.

By theory a person without a rinnegan can activate one without having a sharingan at all. All he would need is Ashuras and Indras chakra.

So you can't really compare the attributes of the rinnegan with a sharingan because they have different rules on how to access them.

With the sharingan however, a non-Uchiha can only receive it once its implanted into them from an actual Uchiha who activated it. If you can only upgrade the sharingan from the stage in which you received it in, and not be able to downgrade, why is it possible to downgrade from MS back to 3 tomoe, if MS is a stage itself?

By this logic, this entire thread makes no sense then. If you can't compare Rinnegan and Sharingan in the same way because the process is different, then you can't compare MS and 3T in the same way either because 3T and MS have different processes to get them. 3T simply requires the Uchiha to be in a moment of distress by danger of any kind, while the MS requires the pain of great loss to be activated. So, you can't compare how Kakashi can switch between tomoe and MS, but can't go from normal to tomoe and vice versa, because they're achieved in different ways.

 

[lndra]

The Sharingan Activates due to something in the brain of the Uchiha - Kakashi received his Sharingan from Obito, already activated, and it evolved with Obito.

So it makes sense why he can't turn it off like a regular Uchiha, because he doesn't have the special competent in the brain which allows him to activate it when it turns off.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

By this logic, this entire thread makes no sense then. If you can't compare Rinnegan and Sharingan in the same way because the process is different, then you can't compare MS and 3T in the same way either because 3T and MS have different processes to get them. 3T simply requires the Uchiha to be in a moment of distress by danger of any kind, while the MS requires the pain of great loss to be activated. So, you can't compare how Kakashi can switch between tomoe and MS, but can't go from normal to tomoe and vice versa, because they're achieved in different ways.

so we must conclude that MS is a totally different eye than a regular 1,2,3 tomoe sharingan..

subsequently making EMS an even more different eye, and the rinnegan even more different.

I never heard of the MS being referred to as different but the logic holds up

 

[Punk Hazard]

so we must conclude that MS is a totally different eye than a regular 1,2,3 tomoe sharingan..

subsequently making EMS an even more different eye, and the rinnegan even more different.

I never heard of the MS being referred to as different but the logic holds up

No, it's still the same classification of eye. The reason I said that was to dismiss that logic.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

No, it's still the same classification of eye. The reason I said that was to dismiss that logic.

if u dismiss the logic, then Kakashi or any Uchiha shouldn't be able to switch between MS and 3 tomoe because MS is a stage just like 1,2 and 3 tomoes are

 

[Punk Hazard]

if u dismiss the logic, then Kakashi or any Uchiha shouldn't be able to switch between MS and 3 tomoe because MS is a stage just like 1,2 and 3 tomoes are

No, I'm dismissing the logic that because the stages of the eyes are gained through a different process, the same concept with transplants doesn't apply.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

I never thought about this but it is a mystery, because he got it at 2t so that defeats the theories above. its odd enough he was able to use MS. the only thing that saves that plot hole is one can say since obito awakened it awakened in kakashi, but if that was the case then kakashi would figured out obito was still alive?? there's a lot of things that I wish they explained things more in naruto but oh well. one piece>naruto

No Uchiha is capable of going from 3T back to 2T so no, that doesn't defeat the facts* above, it is because he got it on the Tomoe stage that he can't go back to its normal eye, but as HE himself unlocked MS he can switch between highest Tomoe stage and the MS stage, like other Uchiha. And yes, it's like Nagato, he can't put his eyes back to normal or go back to 3T/EMS, etc, as he was given the eye on the Rinnegan and didn't unlock any other stages from when he go it, it's really simple.

 

[Lance171]

No Uchiha is capable of going from 3T back to 2T so no, that doesn't defeat the facts* above, it is because he got it on the Tomoe stage that he can't go back to its normal eye, but as HE himself unlocked MS he can switch between highest Tomoe stage and the MS stage, like other Uchiha. And yes, it's like Nagato, he can't put his eyes back to normal or go back to 3T/EMS, etc, as he was given the eye on the Rinnegan and didn't unlock any other stages from when he go it, it's really simple.

read the whole thread before you comment my next post says exactly what your saying

 

[Erza Scarlet]

read the whole thread before you comment my next post says exactly what your saying

I read that after, and I replied to you but I meant it to everyone disagreeing with what I and others put, though also I was in the middle of replying before your comment however I had to go afk for a bit then came back and finished my post without re-reading the thread.

 

[RedRobin]

2T to 3T is just the eye maturing. MS is going to another level.

Kakashi cant go lower than 3T because thats the base version it was given in but he can go higher and then return to that base version.

 

[iAmSoulNuke]

MS is different from 3 tomoe . it's accessing a more complicated level of ability within the sharingan so it makes since MS obviously takes a substantially higher amount of chakra then regular sharingan

 

[Angelic.]

bc hes kakashi sensei

 

[random girlz]

The first person to figure this out, gets a reward.

 

[leezagboola]

Because of plot basically, if kakashi supposedly unlocked the MS when he was a kid why didnt he use it for all of part 1? could have been helpful against Zabuza even in the first mission instead of sending genin against missing nins, let alone countless other fights in part 1 where it could have been used. It was probably an after thought by kishi to give it to kakashi for part 2 so he had to be able to turn it off and on for it to fit into the storyline.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Riker got it. Not much point in going from 3T to 2T is there?

Plus nobody has ever reverted to previous tomoez so it's most likely impossible.