Sigh... So what you're saying in the bold text is that Kakashi isn't lacking power, meaning he has the power to be a kage... but he is lacking everything else? Kage is a leadership position. To be a leader, you have to be intelligent, calm under pressure, as well as powerful. And of course, you have to be a good leader. In your post you said Kakashi has the power, but he lacks everything else. So what you mean to tell me is that Kakashi lacks the intelligence to be a leader? You mean to tell me he isn't calm under pressure? You mean to tell me Kakashi Hatake isn't a good leader? A is probably the most hard headed Kage currently living. Kakashi is without a doubt calmer, more intelligent, and a better leader than A, but A is still a kage right? If anything, Kakashi lacks the raw power to match the other kage. His intellect and leadership is not to be brought into question.
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No, it's not whether it not he wanted to be or not, it's whether he could actually live up to the Hype f being Kage level with all that it demands. As I stated, it's about power, intelligence, defending, and being able to save your own ass. Kages are top chief who have to do the saving, not be saved. Previous Kages have done just that to the best of their abilities and have proven their place, from what weve seen from Kakashi, the same cant be said about him as he has fallen short at every situation he's faced, and that's in defending himself, let along the entire village. This is where people get Kage and Joinin ranking confused.
What I mean is, he has power but lacks power diversity in which it takes to defend an entire village or at least assist those in need. People as like intelligence and leadership is all it takes. No! It's way more than this, hell we just had a presidential election and we know who's qualified as who's now. It's about having the ability to defend/help all when your back is against the wall. Kakashi can remain calm all day and develop a plan, but can he succeed with that plan? Will others need to rescue him??
Hashirama had assistance against Madara according to the manga (mito his wife). Minato has assistance against Tobi/Kyuubi, While miato delt with tobi, Hiruzen and others held the kyuubi back. Tsunade had assistance while healing the village from the anbu that were guarding her.
Having assistance doesn't mean anything, A kage will defend their village along side every shinobi in that village, You make it sound like you expect every kage level shinobi to Solo every threat that comes to their village.
Gaara went solo against deidara and lost, Tsunade failed to protect the village, Hence it got 1shotted by pain, This doesn't make them any less of a kage.
It's different to have troops assist you in situations than having troops save your ass. Minato having to take own Tobi and Kyuubi would have ended him, but he damn sure could have. The others focused on the biggest problems at that situation, in some situation it's the people as its too much going on in the village to try to take on someone head on, while in others it's best to take them on head on (get it)?
Every leader has his troops, his troops go out but ultimately it's up to him/her to capitalize on everything, or at least almost. Kakashi is a troop going out, not the person you bank in to be the saver.
1st didn't need te help, it's was useful help. He was taking on two monstrous enemies and tamed the Kyuubi himself as Madara recently mentioned.
So as a Kage, Kakashi has to defend the village from any threat by himself? Tsunade was saved by Naruto when she tried to solo Pain. Gaara lost to Deidara when he tried to solo too. And NONE of the kage tried to solo Madara. Come on now. Kakashi can make an ingenious plan to defend the village from a threat, but he damn sure isn't going to execute it by himself. That is what the other villagers are for. Every Kage has help because "Kage level" doesn't mean "God". Kakashi without a doubt has what it takes to be Kage.
Sigh.. When i sometimes read arguments in NB, i ask myself if people are reading the same manga i do. Some people say that Kakashi was only nominated as kage because there were no concurrent?
Then i will ask you. Who is strong enough in kirigakure to have been able to occupied the kage position besides Mei? Zabuza? Nukenin. Kisame? Nukenin. 7swordsmen? Dead except from Chojuro(too young)
Who could have taken Gaara's place? Kankuro? lol Temari? lmao Just imagine if Gaara dies. We would have guys like Kankuro as Kage,lol
I can name you plenty of ninjas in Konohagakure who are stronger than Kankuro, Chojuro, Temari, etc The fact is being kage in such villages means absolute nothing to me, cuz the concurrence to be kage in those village is pretty low. Put Mei in Konoha for example and she would have never been a kage in my opinion. Base on feats i can name you bunch of konoha ninjas who can kick her ass
Each village have certain principes to nominate someone as a kage. A kage should do all he h can to protect his village. Suna is constituate of desert everywhere. Gaara controlls sand perfectly, so who could have protected Suna more than Gaara? He has sand everywhere in this village, which gives him huge advantages in the protection of a village. Put Gaara somewhere else with no sand and you will clearly notice the difference. Why do you think that in all his fights in Shippudent, Kishimoto only put him in a desert? It's because he knows that it's in a desert where Gaara can use his full potential.
Experience is also a great factor to have a chance to be nominated as a kage. That's why eventhough Naruto is the strongest in Konoha, he wasn't choosed as a kage. Even Kakashi was considered as too young while they wanted to put him as hokage. So it's not because someone is hokage that he is always meant to be the strongest in his village. Ex: Tsunade is not the strongest in konoha by far. But the fact Tsunade is much more older, has much more experience, is strong as well, can protect the village efficiently, because of those reasons, Tsunade was the best choice like Jiraya also stated
Kakashi is more like a fighter, he is not that good to protect others like Tsunade. So before you say that someone is kage level or not, start to ask yourself if your talking about the title of kage in general or the powerwise. Because if you say that Tsunade is better than Kakashi as a kage, i won't deny that fact. Tsunade is far more better as a kage, she has healing abilities, she is better to protect on a huge scale, etc But in terms of power or battle, she is simply outclassed by Kakashi
So the argument concerning the fact that Kakashi was only a second choice and because of that he is not kage level is laughable. In title yes Tsunade is better, but in power? Hell no
Then i will ask you. Who is strong enough in kirigakure to have been able to occupied the kage position besides Mei? Zabuza? Nukenin. Kisame? Nukenin. 7swordsmen? Dead except from Chojuro(too young)
Who could have taken Gaara's place? Kankuro? lol Temari? lmao Just imagine if Gaara dies. We would have guys like Kankuro as Kage,lol
I can name you plenty of ninjas in Konohagakure who are stronger than Kankuro, Chojuro, Temari, etc The fact is being kage in such villages means absolute nothing to me, cuz the concurrence to be kage in those village is pretty low. Put Mei in Konoha for example and she would have never been a kage in my opinion. Base on feats i can name you bunch of konoha ninjas who can kick her ass
Each village have certain principes to nominate someone as a kage. A kage should do all he h can to protect his village. Suna is constituate of desert everywhere. Gaara controlls sand perfectly, so who could have protected Suna more than Gaara? He has sand everywhere in this village, which gives him huge advantages in the protection of a village. Put Gaara somewhere else with no sand and you will clearly notice the difference. Why do you think that in all his fights in Shippudent, Kishimoto only put him in a desert? It's because he knows that it's in a desert where Gaara can use his full potential.
Experience is also a great factor to have a chance to be nominated as a kage. That's why eventhough Naruto is the strongest in Konoha, he wasn't choosed as a kage. Even Kakashi was considered as too young while they wanted to put him as hokage. So it's not because someone is hokage that he is always meant to be the strongest in his village. Ex: Tsunade is not the strongest in konoha by far. But the fact Tsunade is much more older, has much more experience, is strong as well, can protect the village efficiently, because of those reasons, Tsunade was the best choice like Jiraya also stated
Kakashi is more like a fighter, he is not that good to protect others like Tsunade. So before you say that someone is kage level or not, start to ask yourself if your talking about the title of kage in general or the powerwise. Because if you say that Tsunade is better than Kakashi as a kage, i won't deny that fact. Tsunade is far more better as a kage, she has healing abilities, she is better to protect on a huge scale, etc But in terms of power or battle, she is simply outclassed by Kakashi
So the argument concerning the fact that Kakashi was only a second choice and because of that he is not kage level is laughable. In title yes Tsunade is better, but in power? Hell no
Lol omg are y'all able to even think?! Every lead has troops, we know this! However, one should have to remotely control the situation if troops aren't able to handle the job. Kages know when a situation is for the troops and when it's time for them to step in! The 3rd Hokage knew this when Orchimaru attacked the village, Minato knew this which is why he made sure to prep Naruto for Tobi, etc. the list can go on, there is a difference from being a troop/general to being the top dog.
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uchiha asuku aliyu
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like it or not kakashi is kage level.. As of this moment he has kamui, gen jutsu, has been able to copy over a thousand jutsu's he has water element, fire element, lightining and inventor of chidori... Come on kakashi easly defeats diedra, konan, kakuzu, hidan. And back then he stood his ground against deva and asura parth. And seriously he is seriously puting up a good fight against tobi, so i think he is kage level.
Garra's brother would be next to be Kage most likely, who is a Jounin, who possesses power (Sasori's puppet, his own puppet) and intelligence (he clearly surpassed Sasori who was notes as a genius, who transformed puppetry). He has both some powerful aspects about him, leadership as he's a general in the war and intelligence, yet you can laugh at him being Kage but not Kakashi?? Now that's what I can laugh at. Tsunade lacks in power? Maybe ninjutsu but not power, from her monstrous strength (probably the strongest in the manga, to having the ability to regenerate w/o hand seal (basically immortal) and having the medical background to heal hundreds and conflict ones reflexs, yet she lacks power?! That's laughable! Kakashi lacks power compared to her, Kamui is his best feat, while he's versatile and tricky he'll fall before anything.
Ok, that's all I have to say. Lol
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He cn be said to be a low-mid lvl. kage especially after seeing his increased no. of kamui nd chakra. H thnk the only thng thats nt in him is chakra. I believe he cn defeat gaara, mei nd tsunade with ease nd B also. Maybe Onoki nd A with very high lvl. diff. Nd he is very skilled, cool nd the most clever among the 5 kages presently. He cn also copy an users jutsu eg. rasengan making him the most skilled normal sharingan user. Nd he has copied over a 1000 jutsus many which we dont kno(he uses only those thats necessary). Do u thnk the kages would have been a chance against Obito. Hes still standing. Nd he was the 1 bcuz of which Obito's mask broke(might have killed him if Naruto hit him with a odoma rasengan). Prove me wrong.
I hope you're joking concerning Kankuro, anyway concerning Tsunade, powerwise, she simply lacks versatility in a fight. All she has is taijutsu where Kakashi is even faster than her. Kakashi on the other hand is a master in Kage Bunshin tricks. A one-dimensional fighter like Tsunade could be easily caught by a raiton kage bunshin trick while fighting Kakashi, which would lead to her end either Kakashi cuting her in half with a raiden while she is paralysed or warped away with kamui. Even immortal, if she is cut in half by raiden, she is pretty much done for, if she is send in another dimension, she is done for. Kakashi is simply too versatile for her. Taijutsu? Kakashi is faster and has sharingan precognition can add Kage Bunshin feints or Raikiri while in close range. Ninjutsu? Kakashi has thousand of them, Tsunade on the other hand has shown no ninjutsu feats beside summoning and her regeneration jutsu. Even in genjutsu she can be beaten by his sharingan genjutsu
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Kakashi is the strongest jonin,thats it . He has never beaten one Akatsuki member, and its noted many times that he was on Kabutos level in part 1. And now Kabuto has surpassed him. Orochimaru laughed at him when he thought he could protect Sasuke. Sasuke is stronger than him. Naruto is stronger than him. Obito is stronger. All the Kage are stronger. Itachi is stronger. Stop overrating Kakashi.
This isn't a vs. thread and all you did was explain how more versatile he is compared to her. This doesn't make him more powerful, just suited for more situations, this isn't showing him being a greater power force. His versatility of tricks gets him nowhere special as his main rival is someone who performs no ninjutsu at all!! Everyone has there advantages and disadvantages, what matters is how superior one is in their field that shows their power. Tsuande is superior in medical jutsu, superior in taijutsu/strength and immortal. Kakashi is superior is being saved in nearly all his fight with all 1000 jutsu he has, that obviously aren't of any significance. With that, Kakashi is overall great versatile, but not superior in anything man. Btw I was serious about Garra's brother.
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There are many ninja's who aren't kage for many different reasons, however that doesn't mean they aren't kage level. Not when ninja's like obito, naruto, kabuto (edo tenseu), bm naruto, ems madara, nagato can all possible defeat the 5 kages 5 vs 1. None are kage's, yet their power's are above kage ninja's past and present.
Kakashi has been said to be suited for the hokage position. Jiraiya/Tsunade said this, at the meeting of the feudal lord he nearly was appointed the next hokage until Danzo i believe used ka on the feudal lord and he changed his decision last minute and gave it to danzo. All this was before kishi has trolled current kakashi into having unlimited reserves with his kamu spamming.
Kakashi is kage level.
Where does he belong in the rankings?.
What ranking's?. There is no such thing as a top 10 or top 20. Fan fiction at its best which should be taken with a pinch of salt
Kakashi has been said to be suited for the hokage position. Jiraiya/Tsunade said this, at the meeting of the feudal lord he nearly was appointed the next hokage until Danzo i believe used ka on the feudal lord and he changed his decision last minute and gave it to danzo. All this was before kishi has trolled current kakashi into having unlimited reserves with his kamu spamming.
Kakashi is kage level.
Where does he belong in the rankings?.
What ranking's?. There is no such thing as a top 10 or top 20. Fan fiction at its best which should be taken with a pinch of salt
Thats not the point.
They've been saved as many times as Kakashi.
Naruto Vs Nagato, Got his ass saved By Hinata/kyuubi, Then by minato. His second fight with nagato, Itachi saved his ass by figuring out CT weakness.
Fight against Obito, Saved by kakashi and Gai.
Sasuke saved Three times in his fight with Bee, Sasuke's win against itachi was planned, Sasuke only defeated danzo because of tobi's presence in their battle.
They only defeated "Top bosses" because of the help they gained.
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Obviously it does matter if you feel the need to explain.
-Naurto defeated top bosses w/o help, Kakazu being one (plot or not), 3rd Raikage, etc.
-sasuke defeated Deidara, Danzo, etc.
Kakashi- maybe Zabuza I think