[VS] Kakashi Hatake vs Tobirama Senju

[Bronze]

I really don't see why Tobirama wouldn't take a shit on Kakashi.

Kamui is negated by Hiraishin. Hiraishin and sensory abilities overwhelm speed of even Sharingan perception, thus better Taijutsu. Kakashi's Suiton is technically shit, Suijinheki negates Raikiri and he can perform Suiryūdan much, much faster than Kakashi since he does only one hand seal instead of the regular 44 that Kakashi uses. Also, Gojō Kibaku Fuda > all Kakashi's techniques. Suishōha can be controlled with hand movements, giving Kakashi hard time to dodge this.

Tobirama shits.​

Regardless of how you explained Tobirama beating Kakashi is a poor. Reaction is needed to avoid Kamui especially at Kakashi's hands. Obito who argubaly has the best reactions and reading movements in the Manga could not keep up with Kakashi's Kamui, and you're telling me Tobirama has a chance despite people better than him couldn't? Laughable. He has to actually sense the Chakra build which he wont since Kakashi's Kamui speed makes it impossible.

Kakashi's Suiton is shit?:|. Lol he blocked Kakuzu's Katon and Suiton combination. That speaks for itself. He can combine his Raiton with Bunshin, and Tobirama falls for it, he gets electrode.

Gojō Kibaku needs to be performed by Edo, which gets one shotted by Kamui.

 

[Bogard]

Hiraishin doesn't counter kamui. Late chapters proved that when Kakashi was capable to rip Gedo Mazo's arm mid summon when we know that hiraishin is a variation of summoning jutsu. That simply means that the moment Kakashi's kamui hit a target, he is done for hiraishin user or not, and yes i don't believe even Minato could counter Kakashi's kamui now judging by latest feats

 

[Bronze]

Hiraishin doesn't counter kamui. Late chapters proved that when Kakashi was capable to rip Gedo Mazo's arm mid summon when we know that hiraishin is a variation of summoning jutsu. That simply means that the moment Kakashi's kamui hit a target, he is done for hiraishin user or not, and yes i don't believe even Minato could counter Kakashi's kamui now judging by latest feats

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You're going to get a rep from me.

OT: Yep, Kakashi takes this.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Regardless of how you explained Tobirama beating Kakashi is a poor. Reaction is needed to avoid Kamui especially at Kakashi's hands. Obito who argubaly has the best reactions and reading movements in the Manga could not keep up with Kakashi's Kamui, and you're telling me Tobirama has a chance despite people better than him couldn't? Laughable. He has to actually sense the Chakra build which he wont since Kakashi's Kamui speed makes it impossible.

Kakashi's Suiton is shit?:|. Lol he blocked Kakuzu's Katon and Suiton combination. That speaks for itself. He can combine his Raiton with Bunshin, and Tobirama falls for it, he gets electrode.

Gojō Kibaku needs to be performed by Edo, which gets one shotted by Kamui.

I never explained how he beats him, I explained why Kakashi can't beat Tobirama. It doesn't matter, Hiraishin warps back. That's a counter to Kamui. Also, Kakashi stated that he couldn't put it out. It continued erupting.

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Gojō Kibaku can be done with a Kage Bunshin, the same style he did before. He can use Goshu Mawashi to plant even just a mark on him, use a Kunai-tag to even further advance the Goshu Mawashi and bomb him while using Suiryūdan from 3 sides simultaneously. If he survives, he can kill him with Hiraishingiri.

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And here's the size of the Gojō Kibaku Fuda, which he will not escape from.

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[Bronze]

I never explained how he beats him, I explained why Kakashi can't beat Tobirama. It doesn't matter, Hiraishin warps back. That's a counter to Kamui. Also, Kakashi stated that he couldn't put it out. It continued erupting.

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Gojō Kibaku can be done with a Kage Bunshin, the same style he did before.​

Uhh, yes it does. How is Tobirama going to teleport himself if he doesn't know where Kakashi is aiming at? Oh wait he cant. Sensory doesn't help him either since Obito who is better reading anything using Sharingan failed, so will Tobirama. Kamui in the end one shots him. Not to mention Tobirama has to actually mark which Kakashi is already of FTG mechanics, and wont allow it.

I never said he defeated Katon and Fuuton. I said he blocked them which he did in the same scan you posted. He only said he cannot put them out.

@Bold: Is false.

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Red: He says he created Edo Tensie.
Blue: He implies he also created its fighting techniques [Gojō Kibaku].
Green: He then states its his first time he used it with his own body implying he never used it with Bunshin.

Gojō Kibaku can only performed by Edo Tensie.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Uhh, yes it does. How is Tobirama going to teleport himself if he doesn't know where Kakashi is aiming at? Oh wait he cant. Sensory doesn't help him either since Obito who is better reading anything using Sharingan failed, so will Tobirama. Kamui in the end one shots him. Not to mention Tobirama has to actually mark which Kakashi is already of FTG mechanics, and wont allow it.

I never said he defeated Katon and Fuuton. I said he blocked them which he did in the same scan you posted. He only said he cannot put them out.

@Bold: Is false.

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Red: He says he created Edo Tensie.
Blue: He implies he also created its fighting techniques [Gojō Kibaku].
Green: He then states its his first time he used it with his own body implying he never used it with Bunshin.

Gojō Kibaku can only performed by Edo Tensie.

I don't see why there is any restrictement to that, it's like saying Gaara can't turn his sand to a mug because he's never done it. Edo Tensei is pretty much same as Kage Bunshin.

Also, stating that Kakashi will not allow such is like implying that he is better at Taijutsu, although Tobirama has sensory skills that make up for Sharingan predictioning and even superior speed considering Kunai-Hiraishin tag. Also, Goshu Mawashi is very useful.

Also, I don't see why Tobirama can't teleport out of the dimension with Hiraishin, given that both are space-time Ninjutsu. It would be logiclal that another space distortion technique negates another.

Why are you denying these things. :|​

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[Draegod]

Hiraishin doesn't counter kamui. Late chapters proved that when Kakashi was capable to rip Gedo Mazo's arm mid summon when we know that hiraishin is a variation of summoning jutsu. That simply means that the moment Kakashi's kamui hit a target, he is done for hiraishin user or not, and yes i don't believe even Minato could counter Kakashi's kamui now judging by latest feats

Thread over? I think so!

 

[Bronze]

I don't see why there is any restrictement to that, it's like saying Gaara can't turn his sand to a mug because he's never done it. Edo Tensei is pretty much same as Kage Bunshin.

Also, stating that Kakashi will not allow such is like implying that he is better at Taijutsu, although Tobirama has sensory skills that make up for Sharingan predictioning and even superior speed considering Kunai-Hiraishin tag. Also, Goshu Mawashi is very useful.

Also, I don't see why Tobirama can't teleport out of the dimension with Hiraishin, given that both are space-time Ninjutsu. It would be logiclal that another space distortion technique negates another.

Why are you denying these things. :|​

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No, because Tobirama clearly says its his first time doing it with his own BODY. He implies he never done it with Kage Bunshin. That's why he cannot do it unless he has Edo Tensie.

Lets see:

Kakashi's Kamui speed:
-Teleported a Nail in point range.
-Teleported 2 Susanoo arrows at point range.
-Teleported BM Naruto right in front of Obito who couldn't read it.

Obito's Kamui speed and reading movements:
-Kept up with V1 FTG.
-Kept up with BM Naruto.
-Reacted to Ay at point range.

Despite Obito's Kamui speed and Sharingan reactions, he failed to keep up with Kakashi's Kamui. This implies Kakashi's Kamui is the fastest attack. Once again, Tobirama is not going to sense the Chakra build up and wont react to something Obito couldn't. If you cant accept that, then you're fanboy.

Its stated that Kamui is not connected to any space time Ninjutsu [

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]. FTG and summoning Jutsu only teleports things to the real world. Kamui's dimension is its own universe. That's why Obito had attempted to teleport Minato to dimension otherwise, why would he bother?

I am not denying anything, because feats say Kakashi wins.

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[Optimistic]

This scan made Tobirama/Minato's chances of beating Kakashi drop to zero.

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[Minator93]

This scan made Tobirama/Minato's chances of beating Kakashi drop to zero.

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Indeed. Kamui is too much U_U

 

[End of Days]

End of days, if Kakashi does that he can merely just jump again.

He doesn't get a warning as kakashi already has charged up his chakra, the gedo mazo arm was bigger than a human, you do the math
plus i dont know why you think tobirama can just always jump, he himself admitted that obito would kill him if he teleports behind him again, with a fast enough move he can be caught

What people forget is that Tobirama can make Kage Bushin at any time; as they are his chakra he can instantly teleport to any of them.

You cannot teleport to a kage bushin, where did you get that, the chakra can only serve as a medium not as a destination, the destination is always a mark
if tobirama makes a clone and marks it, only then he can teleport to it but making a clone and marking it wont be happening against kamui

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Since when was he better than Kisame, Mei has better water feats than Tobirama. Kakashi has shown superb water feats, even Zabuza.

Call me when Mei can cut through the God tree with Suiton.

 

[Joshutsu]

Kakashi would get destroyed. We are talking about the guy who just cracked up a wall by touching in. Do you understand the power of Tobirama!? XD

Seriously though, kakashi can win with what we currently know about him and kakashi. Unfortunately his only opportunity to have shown us what he can really do was not developed by kishimoto's golden opportunity of bringing them back. But I think what he already has shown is enough.

That's just how I see it.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

^@ End Of Days. Kakashi's Kamui was easily spotted by Obito numerous times in the manga, it's not difficult to spot.

Do the math? What use is that going to do, aside from waste what little chakra he has? If he does that, where will Tobirama go? The aim's to kill him, not to Kamui him to the other dimension. Kakashi would have to follow.

Well obviously if Tobirama was going to teleport behind Obito it would've been to attack him in some form - which his normal speed is used for. If he teleported, then teleported again, it would be a small frame in which he'd be there.

And, lol, Kage Bushin are made of chakra, it's not something you can argue against. At any rate, the Kage Bushin can re-call the original. [

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[Gold Lightning]

Why are people talking about Gojō Kibaku Fuda even though it's restricted in the op.

We don't know what edos Tobirama has or if he even has any prepped, so stop giving him Edo tensei unless there is a scan on him using it or showing that he has any summoning ready.

 

[Optimistic]

Lord have mercy. There's no counter to Kamui, the moment Kishi drew Kakashi landing a kamui on a giant statue that was being transported via st jutsu was the moment Minati and Tobirama became weaker than Kakashi.

 

[Ababeel]

Lord have mercy. There's no counter to Kamui, the moment Kishi drew Kakashi landing a kamui on a giant statue that was being transported via st jutsu was the moment Minati and Tobirama became weaker than Kakashi.

So, was Madara, Hashirama, Itachi...etc

Kakashi is the strongest character, because if the fastest character and the second fastest can't dodge it, then those who are
like turtle in comparison can't either.

 

[Optimistic]

So, was Madara, Hashirama, Itachi...etc

Kakashi is the strongest character, because if the fastest character and the second fastest can't dodge it, then those who are
like turtle in comparison can't either.

Naming other characters because of what exactly? manga has shown that kamui is faster than st transportation jutsu such as summoning, ftg is basically summoning the user to a marking. Kakash warped the gedo's arm off which is bigger than a human. Now imagine how fast he would kamui when he's aiming for something as small as a neck. Only character that can counter Kamui is Obito since he has the other eye.

 

[Ababeel]

Naming other characters because of what exactly? manga has shown that kamui is faster than st transportation jutsu such as summoning, ftg is basically summoning the user to a marking. Kakash warped the gedo's arm off which is bigger than a human. Now imagine how fast he would kamui when he's aiming for something as small as a neck. Only character that can counter Kamui is Obito since he has the other eye.

Minato counter that with FTG = manga canon. End of the story.

 

[Touken]

Lord have mercy. There's no counter to Kamui, the moment Kishi drew Kakashi landing a kamui on a giant statue that was being transported via st jutsu was the moment Minati and Tobirama became weaker than Kakashi.

Except Tobirama/Minato aren't giant statues which are easy targets. Also the fact that the Mazo was extracted first and then summoned to Madara. Kakashi landed a Kamui on the Mazo before it was summoned to Madara. So you can see this wasn't instant whereas Hiraishin is.