Kakashi fought Hidan + Kakuzu with just his left basically

[garas56]

Pretty sure he was about to Kamui the fire and wind thing not Kakuzu. And then he would be on the ground and Kakuzu finishes him off

Dude when Kakashi was about to Kamui all hearts wher at one body of Kakuzo they united to form one strong body and Kakashi wuld Kamui all at one time cous they wher in the same place.

 

[Negative Knight]

Kakashi's power is mainly from Kamui, without it he's a fairly strong shinobi but not Top 20/30.

 

[Exaar]

Kakashi's power is mainly from Kamui, without it he's a fairly strong shinobi but not Top 20/30.

Not really.
His power is in his tactical/analytical prowess, Kamui is just a last resort for him, I believe he could hold his own against any of the current 5kages. (not beat them though).

Kamui might be his best tech, but it's not the only thing that makes him deadly.

I consider kakashi about Even, Or just under 3tomoe itachi in strength. (without kamui)

 

[Negative Knight]

Not really.
His power is in his tactical/analytical prowess, Kamui is just a last resort for him, I believe he could hold his own against any of the current 5kages. (not beat them though).

Kamui might be his best tech, but it's not the only thing that makes him deadly.

I consider kakashi about Even, Or just under 3tomoe itachi in strength. (without kamui)

Where would you realistically place him when considering Akatsuki and the Currrent Kage (without Kamui) ? He's certainly a respectable shinobi, but his fanboys who claim Kamui solos Hashirama and etc discredit him far too much.

 

[Takos]

Not really.
His power is in his tactical/analytical prowess, Kamui is just a last resort for him, I believe he could hold his own against any of the current 5kages. (not beat them though).

Kamui might be his best tech, but it's not the only thing that makes him deadly.

I consider kakashi about Even, Or just under 3tomoe itachi in strength. (without kamui)

I consider Kakashi without MS to be even or a bit stronger than Itachi without MS.

Where would you realistically place him when considering Akatsuki and the Currrent Kage (without Kamui) ? He's certainly a respectable shinobi, but his fanboys who claim Kamui solos Hashirama and etc discredit him far too much.

I am Kakashi's fanboy, but I never stated he can solo Hashirama via Kamui. U_U
Here is a list of current kage and Akatsuki that I think Kakashi can take on without Kamui:
-Gaara
-Tsunade
-Mei (maybe)
-Hidan
-Kakuzu
-Deidara
-Sasori (maybe)

 

[Exaar]

Where would you realistically place him when considering Akatsuki and the Currrent Kage (without Kamui) ? He's certainly a respectable shinobi, but his fanboys who claim Kamui solos Hashirama and etc discredit him far too much.

I don't really do Top 10/20/30 Lists. But saying he isn't even top 30 is a bit much.

 

[Negative Knight]

I am Kakashi's fanboy, but I never stated he can solo Hashirama via Kamui. U_U
Here is a list of current kage and Akatsuki that I think Kakashi can take on without Kamui:
-Gaara
-Tsunade
-Mei (maybe)
-Hidan
-Kakuzu
-Deidara
-Sasori (maybe)

Dw, it was to you directly, just in general, a lot of fanboys (of any character) rely on their strongest weapon as if its a game opener.

Kakashi without MS ? Well i would have to counter that list of yours:
Sasori ? Nah, i just made a recent thread on him why he equals MS Itachi (if not beats him) as well as far surpassing 3 Tomoe Itachi.
Deidara ? Yeah, this is highly possible, but the range seems unfair on Kakashi's part.
Hidan ? Kakashi wins by far
Mei ? I would still give this to Kakashi
Tsunade, is problematic for Kakashi, i don't think she should be underrated.

Kakuzu ? He would be overwhelmed on most counts, Kakashi wouldn't have the opportunity to destroy the masks due to Kakuzu supporting them (in his fight, he was spread thin on the foes he had to face).

I could give you a detailed argument on why Kakuzu and Sasori surpass Kakashi without Kamui, but i'll have to leave it for now.

On a Final note, he wouldn't get past Gaara's Sand Defense. I'm not too sure on how this battle would work out.

 

[Takos]

Dw, it was to you directly, just in general, a lot of fanboys (of any character) rely on their strongest weapon as if its a game opener.

Kakashi without MS ? Well i would have to counter that list of yours:
Sasori ? Nah, i just made a recent thread on him why he equals MS Itachi (if not beats him) as well as far surpassing 3 Tomoe Itachi.
Deidara ? Yeah, this is highly possible, but the range seems unfair on Kakashi's part.
Hidan ? Kakashi wins by far
Mei ? I would still give this to Kakashi
Tsunade, is problematic for Kakashi, i don't think she should be underrated.

Kakuzu ? He would be overwhelmed on most counts, Kakashi wouldn't have the opportunity to destroy the masks due to Kakuzu supporting them (in his fight, he was spread thin on the foes he had to face).

I could give you a detailed argument on why Kakuzu and Sasori surpass Kakashi without Kamui, but i'll have to leave it for now.

On a Final note, he wouldn't get past Gaara's Sand Defense. I'm not too sure on how this battle would work out.

Well, this is a matter of opinions in most cases, but in the case of Gaara, I'm pretty sure he could get past his sand. A normal Chidori was enough to penetrate Gaara's sand defense and Raikiri is much stronger.

 

[Prince Charles]

Current kakashi rapes him.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I'd have to disagree...Kakashi seemed mostly unaffected by his arm. It was just bandages up if I remember right. Also Kakuzu has Decades of expirience, but it doesn't take a genius to know something is up when someone's sharingan changes shape....at that moment Kakuzu simply riot shields behind his masks or used them to attack form the side as Kakashi has to focus on one Target. It is also unlikely Kakuzu will just sit still so it would take even more time. Kakashi had enough trouble focusing on Deidara who was flying straight. We don't know how much better he got with Kamui at the time of the Hidan and Kakuzu fight so you csnt just throw it out like he can instantly use it as he does now!

Kakuzu overall is stronger than Kakashi because of his elemental advantages, unique body structure, and overall expirience.

 

[GiantShuriken]

I'd have to disagree...Kakashi seemed mostly unaffected by his arm. It was just bandages up if I remember right. Also Kakuzu has Decades of expirience, but it doesn't take a genius to know something is up when someone's sharingan changes shape....at that moment Kakuzu simply riot shields behind his masks or used them to attack form the side as Kakashi has to focus on one Target. It is also unlikely Kakuzu will just sit still so it would take even more time. Kakashi had enough trouble focusing on Deidara who was flying straight. We don't know how much better he got with Kamui at the time of the Hidan and Kakuzu fight so you csnt just throw it out like he can instantly use it as he does now!

Kakuzu overall is stronger than Kakashi because of his elemental advantages, unique body structure, and overall expirience.

Heh, thanks for being the only one to respond to my initial point. I just think it was very impressive for kakashi to fight off hidan and kakuzu after his right arm was Wind Rasengand.

As for the crazy argument that has happened on this thread, I'd say Kakashi was weaker than Kakuzu at that time by a considerable margin. His ability to use kamui has increased tremendously over the series.. but in the beginning, twice was his limit and he'd pass out or die like he did against Deidara and Deva Path. NOW he can do four kamuis before being exhausted. His ability to use Sharingan in general seems to be increasing throughout the series.. He used it a little bit against Zabuza in the first arc of Part 1 and he had to be in crutches for a week and mostly be in bed rest. 4 Kamuis + a Raikiri should do the trick to kill Kakuzu, but Kakashi needs to go 5/5 and not miss a single one otherwise he wont have enough to win.

 

[Takos]

I'd have to disagree...Kakashi seemed mostly unaffected by his arm. It was just bandages up if I remember right. Also Kakuzu has Decades of expirience, but it doesn't take a genius to know something is up when someone's sharingan changes shape....at that moment Kakuzu simply riot shields behind his masks or used them to attack form the side as Kakashi has to focus on one Target. It is also unlikely Kakuzu will just sit still so it would take even more time. Kakashi had enough trouble focusing on Deidara who was flying straight. We don't know how much better he got with Kamui at the time of the Hidan and Kakuzu fight so you csnt just throw it out like he can instantly use it as he does now!

Kakuzu overall is stronger than Kakashi because of his elemental advantages, unique body structure, and overall expirience.

The bolded part is wrong.
1. At this point Kakuzu had all the masks again within him and he would not be able to shield himself instantly.
2. It's simply an assumption that he would have shielded himself when seeing Kakashi's MS.
3. Kakashi himself stated that he would have won via Kamui.

 

[Aya San]

He was about to kamui the fire damn just look at the page and see the light flashing before kakashi. That was when naruto used the wind technique to protect Kakashi. When Naruto used the jutsu Kakashi hadn't even used it, meaning that the would kamui after Kakuzu fired and kamui the fire