Kakashi Can Use Ice

[-Yard-]

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Nadare Rōga
Kakashi Hatake (Movie only)

Now before you say "well it was in an anime movie not the manga". There are several techniques that are from the movies that we use and even a few kekke genkai's. Kakashi was shown using Ice techs but he can only use it by using


(Doujutsu: Kopī no Jutsu) - Eye Technique: Copy Technique

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Rank: E-A
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: (De-pendant on Technique copied)
Damage points: (De-pendant on Technique copied)
Description: Kakashi using his sharingan will counter his opponents move with using the same technique against him. However this technique is unable to copy Kekkai Genkai or hiden techniques.
Note: Can only be used by Kakashi bio with tomo 3 sharingan.

Performing the technique in unison of his opponent. This only lets you do this up to A rank meaning that you would be able to perform the same Ice technique your opponent is using in unison of them up to A rank as long as Ice is present on the field. Now that can be implemented into the rp as that's not a big deal since Kakashi only has the ability to replicate one of the techniques with his Sharingan and only up to A rank.

Opinions?


Ps: Howard was the one who pointed out that kakashi used Ice in the movie so give him credit as well.

 

[Howard]

I was the one who noticed this >_> also there a few techs that are only used in Video Games... not in Anime, Manga or Movies but only Video Games... O_O

 

[Migualon J.J.]

he can´t copy Ice that Haku was using, BUT he can manipulate already existing Ice

 

[Kaziname]

Sounds fine to me

 

[Drizzy]

I have noticed this a long time ago, but I thought it wouldn't make much of a difference.
But I completely agree with this, and if he can use Ice, he can use Lava also.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Yes but this has been stated that it wasnt the bloodline limit Ice Release. Kakashis sharingan allowed him to copy the Jutsu so in a way, yes he can use it but he doesnt posses the bloodline limit.

 

[-Yard-]

He can't use Ice freely tho. He can only use it if his opponent is using it.

 

[Howard]

Yes but this has been stated that it wasnt the bloodline limit Ice Release. Kakashis sharingan allowed him to copy the Jutsu so in a way, yes he can use it but he doesnt posses the bloodline limit.

That's the point we're making O_O he doesn't posses the Kekki Genkai but neither do Custom bios they are just able to control existing Ice...

 

[-Yard-]

He doesn't have the kekke genkai and there is a difference. He can't create his own Ice he has to use ice that already exists. The Ice kekke genkai is the combination of wind- and water-based chakra to create ice. So the conditions are.

Must use the copy eye technique.
Must have existing Ice on the field.

 

[Flaw]

Kakashi Can Cook Rice

 

[Howard]

I'd like to add this as well

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In the first Naruto movie, several of the Yukigakure ninja also had the ability to use Ice Release techniques. However, this was not the product of a similar kekkei genkai, as demonstrated by Kakashi's ability to replicate one of these techniques with his Sharingan. In addition, unlike Haku, who could create his own ice, the Ice Release techniques used in the movie required the users to manipulate already existing ice and seems to melt at a much easier level than the ones Haku used. Another notable difference is that they can also manipulate snow. The Yukigakure ninja most commonly used the Dog hand seal to do this.

 

[EggesGabo]

Sounds cool to me.

 

[Sheldon Cooper]

Awesome,but this'll mean more people will want kakashi bio's now xd

 

[Howard]

Awesome,but this'll mean more people will want kakashi bio's now xd

O_O I'll keel them >_> check ze sig...

 

[Scorps]

Yes, with that technique a Sharingan user can copy a technique as long as his body is able to use it. Meaning that you can copy an earth technique as long as you are able to mold earth chakra (in the case of the RP you are able to copy it as long as you have earth training up to the given level of that technique). This was stated by Kakashi himself i believe in the Chunnin Exams when Sasuke used his sharingan to copy Lee's moves but was unable to mimic them completly. Sharingan gives you the ability to instantly learn how to use a technique but not to use it exactly. And its simple to see this because if it gave you the ability to do so, all uchiha's would use all 5 elements and any technique they would encounter. But they don't. They are limited by the chakra nature that their body can mold, in their case, fire.

However, it has been stated by Kakashi himself in the manga that his sharingan is unable to copy KG such as wood. Now, in the movie he did it... Most movies don't accurately represent the manga as we all know, but we still get some things out of them to implement in our RP. I think it can be done but i might not be. We'll see what a mod has to say ^^

Btw good job!

 

[-Yard-]

Yes, with that technique a Sharingan user can copy a technique as long as his body is able to use it. Meaning that you can copy an earth technique as long as you are able to mold earth chakra (in the case of the RP you are able to copy it as long as you have earth training up to the given level of that technique). This was stated by Kakashi himself i believe in the Chunnin Exams when Sasuke used his sharingan to copy Lee's moves but was unable to mimic them completly. Sharingan gives you the ability to instantly learn how to use a technique but not to use it exactly. And its simple to see this because if it gave you the ability to do so, all uchiha's would use all 5 elements and any technique they would encounter. But they don't. They are limited by the chakra nature that their body can mold, in their case, fire.

However, it has been stated by Kakashi himself in the manga that his sharingan is unable to copy KG such as wood. Now, in the movie he did it... Most movies don't accurately represent the manga as we all know, but we still get some things out of them to implement in our RP. I think it can be done but i might not be. We'll see what a mod has to say ^^

Btw good job!

On wiki it says the kekke genkai is being able to mix wind and water chakra in unison and create your own Ice. It goes on to say that you don't need the Ice kg to use Ice techniques, you only need Ice to be present .

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It gives you two versions of Ice release on the wiki. One is the kekke genkai which is what haku had, being able to use wind and water in unison to create Ice. Then there is the second version which is what Yukigakure ninja used which is to manipulate already existing Ice which falls out of the actual KG. ^^

 

[Scorps]

On wiki it says the kekke genkai is being able to mix wind and water chakra in unison and create your own Ice. It goes on to say that you don't need the Ice kg to use Ice techniques, you only need Ice to be present .

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It gives you two versions of Ice release on the wiki. One is the kekke genkai which is what haku had, being able to use wind and water in unison to create Ice. Then there is the second version which is what Yukigakure ninja used which is to manipulate already existing Ice which falls out of the actual KG. ^^

A sound reasoning but it may not be accepted. It seems, however, pretty logical. But how to implement that in the RP?

 

[Zenryoku]

Ice in our roleplay is considered Kekkai Genkai only U_U

 

[Lucifer]

I have noticed this a long time ago, but I thought it wouldn't make much of a difference.
But I completely agree with this, and if he can use Ice, he can use Lava also.

no, he can't

 

[-Yard-]

A sound reasoning but it may not be accepted. It seems, however, pretty logical. But how to implement that in the RP?

Ice in our roleplay is considered Kekkai Genkai only U_U

Advanced elements such as Wood Release and Ice Release are created by combining different elemental chakra types. Doing this is only possible with a kekkei genkai or having a tailed beast with such an element in canon.

However, the first movie has shown that shinobi of the Land of Snow are able to perform Ice Release techniques without a bloodline by manipulating the ice around them. Kajika was also able to use a water technique that produces ice.

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Like his brothers, Renga has a very unique special jutsu presumably only he can use. In a manner similar to the Yuki clan's Ice Release, Renga has the ability to create ice. By focusing his chakra to condense moisture particles in the air, he can form thin and transparent disks of ice.

Hyōton; Viz "Haku's Secret Arts of Water", English TV "Ice Style") is the advanced nature kekkei genkai of the Yuki clan, and allowed the users to combine wind- and water-based chakra to create ice which he could manipulate through willpower alone.

In the first Naruto movie, several of the Yukigakure ninja also had the ability to use Ice Release techniques. However, this was not the product of a similar kekkei genkai, as demonstrated by Kakashi's ability to replicate one of these techniques with his Sharingan. In addition, unlike Haku, who could create his own ice, the Ice Release techniques used in the movie required the users to manipulate already existing ice and seems to melt at a much easier level than the ones Haku used. Another notable difference is that they can also manipulate snow.

According to the above info, that says that says that Ice is only a kg when Haku uses it because he uses two elements to create Ice and actually creates Ice instead of manipulating Ice from the field. There are few ways for a user to make Ice such as what was seen by other characters but that doesn't give them the Ice kg. It's only a kg because Haku can create Ice. You don't need the KG to manipulate existing Ice. I'm guessing they manipulate it through the use of water chakra. Also, the Ice KG creates very durable Ice, the ice Haku created was largely immune to fire-based attacks, only melting slightly when coming into contact with flames. The wiki states there's a difference as well as they give comparisons saying that with the kg, the user can create Ice that is more durable, but with/o the kg the user can only manipulate Ice that's already been created.
He could also infuse himself within Ice and just use the element to the fullest. Whearas not having the kg, you are very limited and wouldn't even be able to use any of the ice techniques with/o Ice already present.
This wouldn't benefit any bio except for kakashi bio's but that's very limited. It would only benefit him because he has the sharingan and the copy eye technique. Using the copy eye technique he could use the same Ice tech in unison of his opponent as long as there is Ice present. He can only use the same tech his opponent is using in unison of them, he cannot use Ice techniques on his own and can only manipulate the snow by using the copy eye technique to see how the snow/ice is being manipulated through his 3T and what chakra type they are using, using the same jutsu the opponent is using in unison of them. He wouldn't be able to use this technique against a haku bio tho, because he uses his Ice techniques through the use of his Kekke Genkai. So, this basically means that the chance of a kakashi bio ever using an Ice technique is very slim. I think of it like Lava release which I think is considered a kg. I've seen many people mix fire and mud to create lava when they don't have the kg. Well, this is kakashi using his sharingan to use his opponents Ice jutsu in unison of them (However he can't use this on a haku bio). This is very limited as there must be conditions set for this but I understand if it's just because the rules are that nb looks at any Ice technique as a kg and it's just a rule, but then again that rule is kinda wrong as the way it's been shown in the anime and said by wiki that their are diferent type of manipulations that can let the user manipulate Ice with/o needing the kg because the kg is the ability to not just manipulate Ice but it's really about being able to actually create Ice as well which the wiki says and also using Ice techs to the fullest