[VS] Kaidou vs Aokiji

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Oh thanks Oda.
Ironic as I was actually adding in a sentence about how neither of us are Oda and can say definitively which way he intends it to mean before I had to leave for work. Also you're attempted sarcasm is unwarranted as I already mentioned my reasoning came from sources outside of the manga, I never claimed it was how Oda plans to go.
 

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Akainu did not get any major advantage on a fresh WB. Wb was always injured b4 facing Akainu. And he still had the slight advantage. The dude had strokes for crying out loud. Only shanks was portrayed on equal standing with a fresh old wb not Akainu. It's not an extreme diff gap when very old wb with injuries has a chance of even being even with u. This is pure bs hype to admirals sure they can give high diff. But a match like ace vs jimbei or Akainu vs kuzan is not happening. His portrayal easily alludes to that kind of conclusion. Kaido is out above all right now Extreme diff seems unlikely.
Dont see him being above dragon tho. Dragon's strength still does remain unknown, so could be a hype debate there.

Dragon vs the beast.
 

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Akainu did not get any major advantage on a fresh WB. Wb was always injured b4 facing Akainu. And he still had the slight advantage. The dude had strokes for crying out loud. Only shanks was portrayed on equal standing with a fresh old wb not Akainu. It's not an extreme diff gap when very old wb with injuries has a chance of even being even with u. This is pure bs hype to admirals sure they can give high diff. But a match like ace vs jimbei or Akainu vs kuzan is not happening. His portrayal easily alludes to that kind of conclusion. Kaido is out above all right now Extreme diff seems unlikely.
That's not true. Whitebeard was indeed ill prior to fighting Akainu and it was affecting him, but it hadn't began to affect his physical stats when he and Akainu first clashed. His physical strength and DF power were just as strong as ever. All the illness did was reduce WB's reaction time and his stamina/endurance. His actual speed, strength, DF power, etc, were the same as his prime, he just couldn't tap into the same effectiveness as his prime because exerting himself brought on pain due to illness. Prior to his heart attack against Akainu, the only real difference between prime WB and old WB was that his reaction speed was lowered. When the heart attack struck, it raveled his body, and brought him down further, but prior to that, Akainu matched his attack and they were on even ground. Akainu deflected his Quake by blocking his bisento with one foot, and WB deflected Akainu's magma fist; even portrayal. Then WB suffered a heart attack, which gave Akainu the advantage to land a completely clean blow.s
 

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That's not true. Whitebeard was indeed ill prior to fighting Akainu and it was affecting him, but it hadn't began to affect his physical stats when he and Akainu first clashed. His physical strength and DF power were just as strong as ever. All the illness did was reduce WB's reaction time and his stamina/endurance. His actual speed, strength, DF power, etc, were the same as his prime, he just couldn't tap into the same effectiveness as his prime because exerting himself brought on pain due to illness. Prior to his heart attack against Akainu, the only real difference between prime WB and old WB was that his reaction speed was lowered. When the heart attack struck, it raveled his body, and brought him down further, but prior to that, Akainu matched his attack and they were on even ground. Akainu deflected his Quake by blocking his bisento with one foot, and WB deflected Akainu's magma fist; even portrayal. Then WB suffered a heart attack, which gave Akainu the advantage to land a completely clean blow.s
only reaction time was lowered? why do u say only thats the difference maker that makes a huge difference in fights, the man cant dodge fodder squardo and was at a major disadvanatge against akainu and still matched him. and in the end did more than match him.

oda portrays WB over him when wants to show equals he makes it clear as day. him and shanks split the sky. akainu matching him once isn't on that level of portrayl. ace matched aokiji once also. in the end akainu was below old uninjured WB. the guy took a lot of damage b4 reaching akainu. akainu is not portrayed on old WB level. he ws matching an injured one and yes reaction times are game changer along with having heart attacks which is caused by added strain from all the damage he took.

and mainly kaidou is portrayed above that version of WB and even has insane durability and is almost unkillable so its unlikely to go extreme diff.

it should, plus simply common sense.


If Marine's strongest can't take on the Yonko, then the Marines are weak..

Admirals are the Marine's strongest

Yonko are the Pirate's strongest.
u gotta understand marines have numbers, 3 admirals and they got schibukai so yea the top yonko being stronger than an individual admiral is to be expected. NB has a tendency to overrate the admirals.
 
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only reaction time was lowered? why do u say only thats the difference maker that makes a huge difference in fights, the man cant dodge fodder squardo and was at a major disadvanatge against akainu and still matched him. and in the end did more than match him.

oda portrays WB over him when wants to show equals he makes it clear as day. him and shanks split the sky. akainu matching him once isn't on that level of portrayl. ace matched aokiji once also. in the end akainu was below old uninjured WB. the guy took a lot of damage b4 reaching akainu. akainu is not portrayed on old WB level. he ws matching an injured one and yes reaction times are game changer along with having heart attacks which is caused by added strain from all the damage he took.

and mainly kaidou is portrayed above that version of WB and even has insane durability and is almost unkillable so its unlikely to go extreme diff.



u gotta understand marines have numbers, 3 admirals and they got schibukai so yea the top yonko being stronger than an individual admiral is to be expected. NB has a tendency to overrate the admirals.
You misunderstood so badly, even though I clarified what I meant by "only his reaction time was lowered." When he was stabbed by Squard, his strength, speed and DF power and Haki were all the same level of his prime. His reaction speed was just severely down by that point.

No, Oda did portray them evenly. Whitebeard deflected one attack from Akainu, and Akainu did the same to Whitebeard with one leg. Old, sick injured WB would have been killed by Akainu if he didn't jump him and then destroy the ground. By the end of the war, Akainu didn't have a mark on him, so obviously Whitebeard didn't do major damage to him in their scuffle. Akainu could go on to fight his commanders and dozens of pirates all at once afterwards, while Whitebeard was killed by a 10-man up-and-coming crew.
 

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u gotta understand marines have numbers, 3 admirals and they got schibukai so yea the top yonko being stronger than an individual admiral is to be expected. NB has a tendency to overrate the admirals.
Yonko don't have numbers?? lol.. did you look at the Whitebeard grand fleet?

The Warlords and the Marines and other little agencies of theirs combined keep all the 4 Yonko in check.. And there are 4 admirals in total, that all those agencies are under, similar to how there are 4 pirates where all those pirates are under.


4 Admirals vs 4 Yonko <<<<< They are on the same level.


NB doesn't overrate the admirals.. lol. Its simply common sense to assume that they are on the same level, if they weren't then who is keeping the Yonko in check? no one.


Furthermore, Garp (though he didn't take the position) and Sengoku were admirals taking on Roger and WB.. all 4 of them were on the same level.
 

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Yonko don't have numbers?? lol.. did you look at the Whitebeard grand fleet?

The Warlords and the Marines and other little agencies of theirs combined keep all the 4 Yonko in check.. And there are 4 admirals in total, that all those agencies are under, similar to how there are 4 pirates where all those pirates are under.


4 Admirals vs 4 Yonko <<<<< They are on the same level.


NB doesn't overrate the admirals.. lol. Its simply common sense to assume that they are on the same level, if they weren't then who is keeping the Yonko in check? no one.


Furthermore, Garp (though he didn't take the position) and Sengoku were admirals taking on Roger and WB.. all 4 of them were on the same level.
by numbers i mean in quality an quantity the schibukai and the marines together can take out a single yonko. but all 4 yonko> schibukai + marines.

u do realize the yonko hate each other and are enemies right. the marines get shit scared at the thought of a red hair and WB alliance. yonko arent allied they have their own interests and thats the balance of power. if the war of best had kaidou, big mam, shanks along with their crews and allies WG would have been wrecked.

they are not the same level. no one was hyped on the level of kaidou, shanks is on the same level as old uninjured WB there is clear portrayal there, akainu, aokiji and kizaru arent on that level, they are close and can give them high diff but not on yonko level maybe big mam but we dont kno shit about her so ill leave that out.

sengoku is not on WB level, garp is but not sengoku, garp was marines hero and roger said they almost killed each other countless times, sengoku doesnt have that level of hype.

You misunderstood so badly, even though I clarified what I meant by "only his reaction time was lowered." When he was stabbed by Squard, his strength, speed and DF power and Haki were all the same level of his prime. His reaction speed was just severely down by that point.

No, Oda did portray them evenly. Whitebeard deflected one attack from Akainu, and Akainu did the same to Whitebeard with one leg. Old, sick injured WB would have been killed by Akainu if he didn't jump him and then destroy the ground. By the end of the war, Akainu didn't have a mark on him, so obviously Whitebeard didn't do major damage to him in their scuffle. Akainu could go on to fight his commanders and dozens of pirates all at once afterwards, while Whitebeard was killed by a 10-man up-and-coming crew.
no ur misunderstand the manga, that was a brief scuffle, even ace matched aokiji in a brief scuffle. u act like Wb wasnt dying, he took multiple stab wound and gun shots and cannon balls and then had a heart attack cuz of the strain then faced akainu and still was even and even had the advantage, akainu was on the ground he didnt pursue it any further. and then he went against BB who had a good DF and his whole crew then took even more damage then died. No they are not equal, WB took waaaaaaaaaaaay more damage and ODA goes on to point it out only dense ppl can avoid facts that simple or ppl with a bias. akainu ina fight against no injuries WB would have lost. i love how u gloss over all the damage he took lol. this is the problem with some ppl on NB the admiral wank is too real, i get it theya re the best in the navy but they arent above or can give an extreme diff to the likes of WB or kaidou. and short scuffles arent clear fights, doffy can easily block an admirals sword with a leg and ace did to aokiji that does not mean they are equal. when it came down to it akainu couldnt finish off a sick and very injured old WB and thats equal. Please

so doffy vs luffy G4 is equal now even tho doffy took way more damage, its simple really WB had way more damage and still had the slight advantage, anyone with half a brain can say with certainty that they are not equals, cuz oda would have given akainu a massive advanatge in the fight and yet he didnt. ODa clearly shows equals properly such as when shanks and a old wb with no injuries swing their swords and the sky splits. thats good portrayal not what akainu had, he is not on the same level as WB.
 
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