[Predictions] Kaido Saga

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This is what I think will happen in this saga. If you can't read all of it at least read the last one.
Dressrosa Arc
Leo will get into the palace to save Princess Mansherry.

Riku goes to the palace too to steal all of the money Doffy stole so that he can get eough money to repair the damage done to Dressrosa after the arc before the money gets destroed destroyed in the fights.

Cavendish soon goes up to Level 4 and fights Trebol and manages to win with Hakuba.

The Coliseum Fighters beat the Executives.

Franky vs Pink: Franky shows off his new abilities and beats Pink.

Robin and Bart vs Gladius: Robin and Bart mid diff Gladius.

Ussop vs Sugar: Ussop high diffs Sugar.

Pica vs Zoro: Pica uses some trick on Zoro to compete with Zoro, who then uses Asura to beat Pica high diff.

Diamante vs Kyros and Rebecca: Diamante fights Kyros and Rebecca and gets beaten by an attack from both of them after Rebecca mans up and actually decides to draw blood.

Doffy vs Law: Law and Luffy separate when looking for Doflamingo in the palace, Doffy ambushes Law and makes him go unconscious after injuring him, and then Luffy enters.

Luffy vs Doflamingo: Doffy seems to have an advantage on Luffy, but Luffy is pissed off at him and at the end uses gear stacking along with CoA to use Gomu Gomu no Jet Elephant Bullet, which destroys the Palace along with level 4, and Doffy loses extreme diff after that attack knocks him out.

Sabo vs Fujitora: Sabo shows off the rest of his Dragon techniques and combines his moves with fire because of the MMnM. Fujitora shows his swordsmanship skills and his DF moves. They both seem to be roughly equal when their fight gets interrupted after Doffy gets defeated. Fuji stops fighting now that he has to reason to fight Sabo since he was just stalling to that he wouldnt have to help Doffy. Despite this, Sabo still made him go serious.

Sabo and Luffy talk to each other and Sabo tells Luffy what he's been doing and why he couldnt help Ace at MF.

Luffy then goes to Zou to meet up with Sanji.

After being betrayed by Doffy, Bellamy joins the SH Pirates.

The Gorosei are pissed off that Luffy stopped their trade of SMILEs with Kaido. Thats right, Doflamingo was just a medium to that if someone inspected the SMILE trade they would be lead to a pirate instead of their "good" leaders. In return for giving Kaido SMILEs, Kaido must protect the WG from the other yonkous, as seen when he tried to attack WB.

Luffy, Sabo, and Zoro get a new bounty. Luffy's is 600 million, Zoro's is around 300 million, and Sabo's is 650 million.


Zou arc

Big Mom traps the SHs on the Sunny and decides to have some fun with them. She has Tamago and Pekoms fight the SHs. Tamago and Sanji fight 1v1 and Pekoms fights Brook, Chopper, Nami, and Caesar.

Tamago vs Sanji: Tamago obviously uses his legs to this would be a good fight for Sanji. I think that Sanji will win high-extreme diff.

Pekoms vs Caesar, Brook, Chopper, and Nami: He is stronger than all of them, but cant handle all 4 at once. Team 2 wins high diff.

During the fights the Vivre Card that Lola gave to Nami slowly moves towards Big Mam.

Big Mam then is about to send Bobbins and Three eyes to finish them off, but then the Vivre Card touches Big Mom, and she realizes it is a vivre card of her. She asks the SHs why they have this vivre card, and Nami has a flashback of Lola giving her the card. Nami asks BM if she has a daughter named Lola, and she says yes. Nami then explain what happened at TB and how they saved Lola. Big Mom not only forgives the SHs, but still feels like she owes them for what they did. The SHs then go to Zou, where the other SHs soon arrive at.

The SHs and Law meet up with Bepo and the other Heart Pirates. They talk about their plan from now on and how they will handle Kaido.

Caesar feels sorry for what he did, and joins the Heart Pirates since he has nowhere to go.

Wano Arc

The SHs, Heart Pirates, Kin'emon, Momo, and Kanjuro then head towards Wano.

They explore Wano and there a lot of samurai challenge Zoro because he has Shuusui. Eventually word that Shuusui is in Zoro's hand spreads to the Shogun of Wano. Who then tracks down Zoro to see if he is trully worthy of possessing that sword.

Meanwhile, Kaido's 2nd mate finds Luffy at Wano and fights him.

Zoro vs Shogun: Zoro goes all out and wins high-extreme diff, proving that he is worthy of handling Shuusui. The Shogun also gives Zoro a prize for winning, Kitetsu II.

Luffy vs Kaido 2nd Mate: Luffy wins very high diff and the 2nd Mate flees back to Kaido.

Kin'emon, Momo, and Kanjuro join the Heart Pirates.

Capone Arc

Coby and Helmeppo, who have been training a lot over the TS, Coby is now a RA and Helmeppo is Commodre. While on their battleship, they get a call that Capone has been terrorizing a nearby town, they go and fight the Capone Pirates. Coby fights Capone and Helmeppo fights Capone's First Mate.

The Marine fodder fight the pirate fodder.

Helmeppo vs First Mate: Helmeppo wins high diff.

Coby vs Capone: During the fight, Coby shows off his Haki and has learn 6 of the Rokushiki. Capone has improved the content inside of him that he can use because of his DF. Near the end of the fight, Capone says that his DF allows him to fit anyone weaker than him inside himself, and that he managed to get a Pacifista. The new Pacifistas can now charge up their light attack that they launch from their mouth which makes it stronger, but the more they charge it up, the more battery they lose. Capone has been charging his Pacifista up the entire fight and at the end launches it at Coby. Coby with CoA and Tekkai manages to survive it, but is very injured. Capone can tell that Coby survived it, but he is all out of firepower so he grabs a sword and desperately attacks Coby. Coby dodges it and uses this to finish off Capone.
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Coby turns Capone into the Marines. Helmeppo becomes a RA and Coby becomes a VA.


Kaido Arc

The SH and Heart Pirates go to Kaido's favorite island where they meet X Drake.

X Drake is now a high ranking officer in the Kaido Pirates, and reveals he has only worked under Kaido so that he could bring him down because of Kaido's alliance with the WG. He then allies with them.

The alliance then attacks the Kaido Pirates. the 3 Captains fight Kaido while their crewmates fight Kaido's crewmates.

The Kaido Pirates beat the SH, Heart, and Red Flag Pirate crewmates.

Kaido vs 3 Supernovas: They underestimated Kaido and he wins mid-high diff. X Drake buys time for the other 2 and their crews to escape. He tells them to grow stronger and that he knows they will eventually beat Kaido.

The Heart and SH Pirates separate while fleeing so that Kaido cant kill all of them if he catches up.

A few days later Kaido finds the SHs and is about to attack them, but then the Big Mom Pirates show up to fight the Kaido Pirates because she still wants to repay the Straw Hats for saving Lola. The SHs then use that time to escape.

When they are escaping, they pass by one of their worst enemies, the Blackbeard Pirates at an island. Luffy hates BB and cant control himself, so he stops the ship and attacks BB even though the other SHs are telling Luffy that Big Moms and X Drake's sacrifice would be useless if they fight another yonkou and die, but he doesnt listen. Zoro and Sanji go in to help, but get intercepted by Shiryuu and Burgess.

Sanji vs Burgess: Burgess has gotten stronger since Dressrosa because during that time the BB PIrates killed Urouge and give Burgess his DF, so his attacks are now much more poweful. Sanji gets a few DJ kicks in on Burgess, but they do nothing because Sanji's kicks arent powerful enough yet to hurt a big guy like Burgess. Burgess then low diffs Sanji and completely breaks on of Sanji's legs.

Zoro vs Shiryuu: Over the TS, the BB Pirates killed Jozu, who sacrificed himself to let the other WB Pirates escape when BB attacked them. Shiryuu then got his DF. Shiryuu isn't even going seerious on Zoro and lets him hit his diamond body a few times just to remind Zoro that he cant cut diamond yet. Zoro desperately uses Shishi Sonson, and Shiryuu is now tired of playing games to he blocks Zoro's attack with his diamond sword, breaks Kitetsu III, and gives Zoro a huge scar like Mihawk did, but this one is in the opposite direction so Zoro now his an X shaped scar. Shiryuu low diffed Zoro.

Luffy vs Blackbeard: Luffy starts off by kicking BB the same way he did to Enel in Skypiea and sends BB flying back a little. Luffy then uses Gomu Gomu no Jet(means G2)Elephant(G3+CoA)Bullet on BB and it hits, BB is then rolling in pain like he usually does when hit by a powerful attack like when Ace hi him with Hiken or Luffy hit him at Impel Down. Blackbeard gets up and uses a new attack, Yami Yami: Darkness spikes. This attack can pierce someone and when it hits something it uses the darkness powers to pull stuff in, and a darkness spike can pull in everything in a 5 meter radius of it. BB uses 25 of these, and Luffy dodges them. Luffy then uses Gomu Gomu no Elephant Pistol, and BB counters it by using Liberation to shoot all of the land that he pulled in with his last attacks to counter Luffys attack. He then uses Vortex to pull Luffy in( vortex now pulls people in much faster). Luffy tries to kick BB when he gets close, but with CoO Teach steps to the side and then puts CoA and Gura Gura powers into his hand and hits Luffy. This is one of the strong Gura Gura punches and causes the whole island to violently tremble. Luffy loses low diff.

The other SHs use their long range attacks to distract BB and recover the M3. They get onto use Sunny and try to row away, but BB is slowly pulling them in. They then use Gaon Cannon on Blackbeard, which buys them enough time to Coup De Burst away from BB. The Blackbeard Pirates then head towards the Kaido vs Big Mom fight.

Meanwhile at Kaido's favorite island...

Big Mom vs Kaido: Big Mom's DF is an acid logia and Kaido has the best Zoan, they also have immense Haki. This battle is very intense and can even be felt from nearby islands. At the end of the battle, Kaido has beaten Big Mom high diff and killed her. The Kaido Pirates also killed the other BM Pirates.

The Blackbeard Pirates then show up, kill the Kaido Pirates, and steal Kaido's DF. Blackbeard now has the 3 strongest DF of each type: Logia(YYnM), Paramecia(Gura Gura no Mi), and Kaido's Zoan.

There is a lot of panic all over the world because of the incident at Dressrosa, the death of 3 Supernovas, the death of 2 yonkous, and BB becoming stronger.

Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji eventually recover. Zoro is upset that he couldnt become WSS with the cursed sword, Kitetsu III, but replaces it with the stronger Kitetsu II which he got at Wano. Sanji either cant recover his leg and has Franky and Chopper replace it with a robotic leg that can emit fire, so it can use DJ, or it recovers. Luffy got badly injured but didnt lose a sword or leg like Zoro and Sanji.

The SHs realize they need to become stronger and get an upgrade next arc just like they did at Enies Lobby.
 
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I wouldn't want any of the pirates that are part of the yonko's to be at Wano. It's already interesting enough that it's not affiliated with the WG and I don't want to find out it's because they're affiliated with a yonko or anything. I really want to see powerful swordsman/samurais at wano. Hopefully there's a kano arc, I want to see sanji learn the techniques that ideo had, those martial arts technique that can make explosive attacks. I'm expecting a kaido vs big mom war arc at the end of this "saga".
 

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1-Too amny people joining crews. I think Kin'emon is the shogun of Wano. He and Momo will stay in Wano.

2-Big Mam an acid logia? No way. Way too straight foward just because her spit was hot. Big Mam probably has the Witch-Witch or something. Her crew seems to be based on performers and Big Mam looks like a typical green witch with the big belly and ugly face. Her stomach is a witch brew. A boiling pot. Remember what Big Mam said? "What for them in my stomach!" Big Mam can probably fly and alter reality being a witch n' all.

3-I don't see Coby taking down a supernova this early.

4-I don't think Blackbeard will return that soon.
 
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1-Too amny people joining crews. I think Kin'emon is the shogun of Wano. He and Momo will stay in Wano.

2-Big Mam an acid logia? No way. Way too straight foward just because her spit was hot. Big Mam probably has the Witch-Witch or something. Her crew seems to be based on performers and Big Mam looks like a typical green witch with the big belly and ugly face. Her stomach is a witch brew. A boiling pot. Remember what Big Mam said? "What for them in my stomach!" Big Mam can probably fly and alter reality being a witch n' all.

3-I don't see Coby taking down a supernova this early.

4-I don't think Blackbeard will return that soon.
1. At least Kin'emon will join Law, I dont see him just abandoning the SHs or Heart Pirates and he's too weak to be the leader of samurai. Besides, the Marines or DD Pirates would have mentioned if the Shogun of Wano was nearby.

2. Just my opinion.

3. Capone is the 2nd weakest Supernova seen so far, and Coby has probably been training his *** off during the TS, not to mention COdy has a tremendous growth rate in terms of strength. Capone will at best be mid VA level, and thats where I think Coby will be soon.

4.Why would BB only go for the Strongest Logia and Paramecia, but not the strongest Zoan? The Kaido Saga is very long, it will be like halfway through the NW by the time its over.
I wouldn't want any of the pirates that are part of the yonko's to be at Wano. It's already interesting enough that it's not affiliated with the WG and I don't want to find out it's because they're affiliated with a yonko or anything. I really want to see powerful swordsman/samurais at wano. Hopefully there's a kano arc, I want to see sanji learn the techniques that ideo had, those martial arts technique that can make explosive attacks. I'm expecting a kaido vs big mom war arc at the end of this "saga".
Kaido is not allied with Wano, his 2nd mate goes there without Wano's permission.
 

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1. At least Kin'emon will join Law, I dont see him just abandoning the SHs or Heart Pirates and he's too weak to be the leader of samurai. Besides, the Marines or DD Pirates would have mentioned if the Shogun of Wano was nearby.

2. Just my opinion.

3. Capone is the 2nd weakest Supernova seen so far, and Coby has probably been training his *** off during the TS, not to mention COdy has a tremendous growth rate in terms of strength. Capone will at best be mid VA level, and thats where I think Coby will be soon.

4.Why would BB only go for the Strongest Logia and Paramecia, but not the strongest Zoan? The Kaido Saga is very long, it will be like halfway through the NW by the time its over.

Kaido is not allied with Wano, his 2nd mate goes there without Wano's permission.
Well of course Kaidou will be a target if he has a powerful zoan but Teach IS intelligent and cunning believe it or not. He won't just swoop in and attack Kaido especially knowing that Kaido's forces are currently more powerful than his. BB is the type to hide in the shadows and wait for the perfect time to strike. So if anything, Teach will ambush Kaido after he's defeated. Sabo is currently on the top of BB's hitlist. Same goes for Marco and Jozu.

Kaido took Wano by force(it explains why Kin'emon and Momo were terrified of simply hearing his name and tried to avoid attention). Kaido is posing as a Kano ally in order to escalate tension between Wano and Kano and continue their war.
 
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Well of course Kaidou will be a target if he has a powerful zoan but Teach IS intelligent and cunning believe it or not. He won't just swoop in and attack Kaido especially knowing that Kaido's forces are currently more powerful than his. BB is the type to hide in the shadows and wait for the perfect time to strike. So if anything, Teach will ambush Kaido after he's defeated. Sabo is currently on the top of BB's hitlist. Same goes for Marco and Jozu.

Kaido took Wano by force(it explains why Kin'emon and Momo were terrified of simply hearing his name and tried to avoid attention). Kaido is posing as a Kano ally in order to escalate tension between Wano and Kano and continue their war.
Did you read the Kaido Arc part. In there I said BB attacks Kaido right after Kaido kills BM high diff so that Kaido cant fight him well. BMs subordinates fought Kaido's subordinates so they get killed by the BB Pirates while BB takes Kaido's fruit.
 

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Lots of people have an image of how they think this saga will go seriously what's the point of this post?
Gotta admit his post made me lol a little and I kind of agree to an extent. It's like if you were done reading the alabasta arc and you wanted to guess what's the upcoming arcs (assuming you haven't read the arcs past alabasta). Oda isn't really predictable when it comes to story-telling.
 

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Gotta admit his post made me lol a little and I kind of agree to an extent. It's like if you were done reading the alabasta arc and you wanted to guess what's the upcoming arcs (assuming you haven't read the arcs past alabasta). Oda isn't really predictable when it comes to story-telling.
He isn't. Like who expected Aokiji, Law and Doflamingo to appear in Punk Hazard?

One thing I'm predicting is that massive fleet Akainu led in Opening 17. After Kaido and Big Mam falls, the SHs will find the unfinished Pluton and Akainu will label them top tier criminals and will go after them personally. Taking Fujitora, Kizaru, Ryokygou, VAs, etc. with him.
 

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Gotta admit his post made me lol a little and I kind of agree to an extent. It's like if you were done reading the alabasta arc and you wanted to guess what's the upcoming arcs (assuming you haven't read the arcs past alabasta). Oda isn't really predictable when it comes to story-telling.
We know that there will be a Zou arc since they need to go there to get the Heart Pirates and Wano is pretty obvious.
 

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1-Too amny people joining crews. I think Kin'emon is the shogun of Wano. He and Momo will stay in Wano.

2-Big Mam an acid logia? No way. Way too straight foward just because her spit was hot. Big Mam probably has the Witch-Witch or something. Her crew seems to be based on performers and Big Mam looks like a typical green witch with the big belly and ugly face. Her stomach is a witch brew. A boiling pot. Remember what Big Mam said? "What for them in my stomach!" Big Mam can probably fly and alter reality being a witch n' all.

3-I don't see Coby taking down a supernova this early.

4-I don't think Blackbeard will return that soon.
1. Agreed. Bellamy I can see. Momonosuke is likely Shogun or Shogun heir. Assuming we have competing clans he may alternatively be in a weaker or former Shogun clan. The fact Doflamingo specifically wanted him warrants status in Wano.

Kinemon and Momnosuke will remain in Wano.

Caesar COULD join Law, but there'd be no remorse for his actions. Monet would have been a nice add.

2. Agree with the Logia. Not sure she'll be a witch. Makes sense, but I'd love it if she just had a more basic fruit that's being used well. Since all the other Yonko seemingly just have OP fruits.

3.Agreed. I'm also biased as I dislike Coby.

4. I agree to a degree. Luffy won't randomly fight him. But I could also see him coming in the aftermath to knock off Kaido. After all, Luffy doesn't kill his enemies.



Also, I really don't see Charlotte being all lovey dovey because of Lola. The woman who destroys islands for failing to bring her candy isn't the loving type to me and.

Luffy challenged her, took her candy, and technically sent a bomb to her face.
 

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1) Dressrosa arc - A lot of it I agree with...I doubt Zoro will use Asura on Pica though also I don't see Luffy beating Doflaimingo on his own unless Law injures Doflamingo significantly to the point Luffy can win. Doubt Bellamy will join either I see either Violet or Rebecca joining if anyone does join the SH crew. I kind of like the idea around Kaidou though.

2) Zou Arc - I agree with all of it except perhaps Caesar joining...I honestly see him getting locked up at impel soon.

3) Wano Arc - Agree with all of it except maybe Zoro beating the Shogun could go either way but I like to think that the fight would go to a draw but I like the idea of Luffy fighting Kaidou's second in command I'd like to think he'd fight X Drake.

4) Meh, I don't really like Coby so an arc about him would be stale at best not to mention he is nowhere near mid-VA level that's like where Smoker is and Smoker is way stronger than Coby. This is probably the only arc I disagree with as I honestly don't see it happening because in my opinion Coby ain't ready for the Supernova and despite his growth rate I think we're only going to see him do something relevant near the end of the series.

I'd much rather see an arc about Smoker defeating or fighting another Supernova since he is the one that's in their league.

5) I actually like the idea of Blackbeard's crew wrecking the Strawhats before ultimately the Strawhats beat them but if that scenario ever happened I'd prefer it to be Shanks and his crew to be the one to save them.
 
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Man people underestimate Coby. He went from having no fighting skills to being captain-commodre level in a few weeks. I wouldnt be surprised if he was mid VA level after 2 years of training.
 

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1) Dressrosa arc - A lot of it I agree with...I doubt Zoro will use Asura on Pica though also I don't see Luffy beating Doflaimingo on his own unless Law injures Doflamingo significantly to the point Luffy can win. Doubt Bellamy will join either I see either Violet or Rebecca joining if anyone does join the SH crew. I kind of like the idea around Kaidou though.

2) Zou Arc - I agree with all of it except perhaps Caesar joining...I honestly see him getting locked up at impel soon.

3) Wano Arc - Agree with all of it except maybe Zoro beating the Shogun could go either way but I like to think that the fight would go to a draw but I like the idea of Luffy fighting Kaidou's second in command I'd like to think he'd fight X Drake.

4) Meh, I don't really like Coby so an arc about him would be stale at best not to mention he is nowhere near mid-VA level that's like where Smoker is and Smoker is way stronger than Coby. This is probably the only arc I disagree with as I honestly don't see it happening because in my opinion Coby ain't ready for the Supernova and despite his growth rate I think we're only going to see him do something relevant near the end of the series.

I'd much rather see an arc about Smoker defeating or fighting another Supernova since he is the one that's in their league.

5) I actually like the idea of Blackbeard's crew wrecking the Strawhats before ultimately the Strawhats beat them but if that scenario ever happened I'd prefer it to be Shanks and his crew to be the one to save them.
1. Dont give me credit for the Kaidou-WG alliance theory, beck26 came up with it I forgot to mention that.
2. For some reason I dont see Caesar going to Impel Down. He got a little more friendly after he got captured so he could be changing.
3. Agreed, either way he proves his worthiness and gets Kitetsu II. Its not 2nd in command, its 3rd in command since 2nd in command is a yonkou first mate(which is admiral level).
4. I wont be really like, at most 15 chapters since its only 2 fights. Coby went from nothing to commodre level in a few weeks. 2 years should be enough for Mid VA level. I use 4 levels for VA btw: Top, High, Med, and Low. Smoker is high VA level, and there is a pretty big gap in between levels since Bart, who is mid VA level no diffed a low VA level fighter.
5. Shanks would kill BB if they fought right now, and BB needs to get Kaido's DF and be Luffys 2nd to last opponent.
 
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Man people underestimate Coby. He went from having no fighting skills to being captain-commodre level in a few weeks. I wouldnt be surprised if he was mid VA level after 2 years of training.
It's not that people underestimate him...it's just literally we've seen nothing from him to justify his 'hype'. Yes he went to decent title after a few weeks however he was one shotted twice by Luffy when Luffy was still injured.

Expecting him to be on the level of people like the monster trio is just to much, which is how I see the Supernova each of them could give any of the monster trio a decent fight.
 
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It's not that people underestimate him...it's just literally we've seen nothing from him to justify his 'hype'. Yes he went to decent title after a few weeks however he was one shotted twice by Luffy when Luffy was still injured.

Expecting him to be on the level of people like the monster trio is just to much, which is how I see the Supernova each of them could give any of the monster trio a decent fight.
We can guess that he did a similar amount of training compared to Luffy since he wants to become an admiral and realized how far he is when he got low diffed by Luffy, who got low diffed by an admiral. Luffy was low VA-high RA level Pre TS while Coby was only commodre, he definitely stood no chance even if Luffy was injured or not. Imo Sanji could low-mid diff Capone.
 

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Lots of people have an image of how they think this saga will go seriously what's the point of this post?
Either way, I barely agree with even a tenth of your prediction.

We know that there will be a Zou arc since they need to go there to get the Heart Pirates and Wano is pretty obvious.
Yes, it's obvious. However, when things go obvious, you gotta scratch them off your list. Kin'emon, Momonosuke, and Kanjuro, are all directly opposing Doflamingo, who's obviously in charge of the making of SMILEs. I doubt our dear Yonko would like that. If what I've gathered is true, then Kaido isn't exactly the rational type of guy. You never know, maybe Wano will be one of the victims to his personality? I do believe the Yonko have the power to destroy islands and countries, if they so wanted.
 

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Man people underestimate Coby. He went from having no fighting skills to being captain-commodre level in a few weeks. I wouldnt be surprised if he was mid VA level after 2 years of training.
Your giving Coby too much credit as of now. With a few months of training, he went from trash to Cheif Petty Offcier which is still trash. The injured SHs fought dozens of Captains, DF Captains, Commanders and Liu. Commanders(all higher ranks than Petty Officer) and still took a bunch of them out at Enies Lobby. Even Nami took of them down. Only the DF Captains gave the injured SHs trouble. Oh and Luffy one shotted Coby twice.

Coby is now a Captain post-ts. The only other captain ranks we know of are Tashigi and Hina. Injured Marineford Luffy completely outclassed Hina and we all know how Tashigi did at Punk Hazard. Coby at best can probably hold his own against people like Ideo, Bluegilly, Baby 5, Derringer, Bellamy etc..
 

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We can guess that he did a similar amount of training compared to Luffy since he wants to become an admiral and realized how far he is when he got low diffed by Luffy, who got low diffed by an admiral. Luffy was low VA-high RA level Pre TS while Coby was only commodre, he definitely stood no chance even if Luffy was injured or not. Imo Sanji could low-mid diff Capone.
I dunno...I just wouldn't see the point of Oda having the Supernova if they were't all equally at least some sort of challenge for the Strawhat crew.

Also I don't see Coby appearing until near the end or having a quick cameo where he defeats some fodder pirates. I understand and know Coby will become an Admiral but I just don't see him as an important figure in the marines for this current Era I think he'll be a major one for the next era. However the time Luffy becomes Pirate King he will be well on his way to becoming an Admiral but I'll always see him as someone weaker than say Sanji, Smoker, Zoro, Law, Kidd and people like them.

Your giving Coby too much credit as of now. With a few months of training, he went from trash to Cheif Petty Offcier which is still trash. The injured SHs fought dozens of Captains, DF Captains, Commanders and Liu. Commanders(all higher ranks than Petty Officer) and still took a bunch of them out at Enies Lobby. Even Nami took of them down. Only the DF Captains gave the injured SHs trouble. Oh and Luffy one shotted Coby twice.

Coby is now a Captain post-ts. The only other captain ranks we know of are Tashigi and Hina. Injured Marineford Luffy completely outclassed Hina and we all know how Tashigi did at Punk Hazard. Coby at best can probably hold his own against people like Ideo, Bluegilly, Baby 5, Derringer, Bellamy etc..
I agree with this completely.
 
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