Kaguya vs Isshiki plothole (3rd eye awakening)

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So since the theory of Isshiki dying and being eaten seem to be scrapped (at the moment), if given that the chakra fruit from the god tree awakens the 3rd eye, this leaves a huge gaping hole for the plot.

We see Momoshiki at the very start of the movie to be eating a chakra fruit harvest from the god tree. Yet, he did not awaken his 3rd eye. Only that when he ate Kinshiki's chakra fruit is when he did.

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Kinshiki also stated that this has been going on (the cannibalism chakra fruit thing).

Meaning that Kaguya awakened her 3rd eye by simply eating the god tree and not necessarily eating her partner (probably going by the original lore when she was alone). So the Rikudou Sennin plotline, rather than the Otsutsuki plotline. Which is why her name is Kaguya and not some +shiki (could be a male only naming thing though.. IDK Japanese culture so idk if shiki endings can be made for females as well).

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The flaw of this is that it clashes with the movie (which is waaaaaay waaaaay after than this and the lore is more developed more than this). See how it was only Hagoromo that stopped her? That the Juubi is actually a different entity (God Tree) rather than Kaguya, herself. Meaning in this story, Kaguya isn't an enemy. Hagoromo most likely saved her.

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Another plotline change. Awakening the 3rd eye did not seem to cause any strange mental effect on Momoshiki. Also it seems that her motivation to eat the chakra fruit was already been decided rather than having the motivation came AFTER awakening the 3rd eye.

Kaguya also had other worlds (probably of which she and Isshiki harvested as well). Probably devoured the chakra fruits of them as well.

However, her 3rd eye only came about when she ate Earth's. Why? If she had eaten Isshiki, it would make sense as that would be the only thing that sets those actions apart and Momoshiki and Kinshiki's actions for awakening the 3rd eye coincides with this as well.

In Chapter 46, we also see discrepancies on how the events went on when he took over Jigen.

The chapter introduced a wandering monk. He was apprehended and coerced by Isshiki (him grabbing him by the collar).

And in the same chapter, only few pages later, we are shown that Isshiki was on the verge of dying. His half of him is wrecked and has no more energy to move.
He hijacked Jigen by making himself small and going into his brain like a parasite.

I suppose you could say that he did that AFTER he grabbed him by his collar but still, that vagueness and storytelling disconnect is a bit ... incoherent?

In conclusion:

Kaguya awakened her 3rd eye by not eating her partner but from directly eating the god tree.
Momoshiki only awakened his 3rd eye by eating his partner.
This rite has been done before as mentioned by Kinshiki.
Momoshiki and Kinshiki have not awakened their 3rd eye even upon eating several chakra fruits of other worlds.
 
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Someone told me that the chakra fruit Kaguya ate was of a better quality than all others. I think that'd make sense. Kinshiki and Momo were challenged by Kages despite all of their previous fruits.
The one good thing about the ancient lore is that we're constantly getting it as secondhand information. Madara nor Hagoromo knew the whole story, so plotholes can be covered with the excuse. Hagoromo should know everything though. Kinda a plothole that he didn't understand the whole situation to begin with imo. What did he even think happened to Kaguya? That she suddenly disappeared?
 
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Someone told me that the chakra fruit Kaguya ate was of a better quality than all others. I think that'd make sense. Kinshiki and Momo were challenged by Kages despite all of their previous fruits.
The one good thing about the ancient lore is that we're constantly getting it as secondhand information. Madara nor Hagoromo knew the whole story, so plotholes can be covered with the excuse. Hagoromo should know everything though. Kinda a plothole that he didn't understand the whole situation to begin with imo. What did he even think happened to Kaguya? That she suddenly disappeared?
and then someone tell me one piece evil fruits eater are stronger then naroto chakra fruit eaters..
 

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Someone told me that the chakra fruit Kaguya ate was of a better quality than all others. I think that'd make sense. Kinshiki and Momo were challenged by Kages despite all of their previous fruits.
The one good thing about the ancient lore is that we're constantly getting it as secondhand information. Madara nor Hagoromo knew the whole story, so plotholes can be covered with the excuse. Hagoromo should know everything though. Kinda a plothole that he didn't understand the whole situation to begin with imo. What did he even think happened to Kaguya? That she suddenly disappeared?
Yeah, but what makes it different would be the main issue. There are many worlds and Earth happens to bear fruit that can awaken the 3rd eye.. Doubt. Why didn't she make Isshiki into a chakra fruit regardless?

Yeah, I mean some of it was derived from having unestablished direction. There were many changes to the ending of the story. Such as Naruto really being Rikudou Sennin's 2nd coming (the Uzumaki is a Senju plotline) to Kaguya is a kind and protectorate of Eath and she stopped all wars. Her ONLY son was her saviour from the God Tree's wrath. To "yeah, Kaguya? she was batshit insanity. She's an alien. She actually was the Juubi and I wasn't the only son. There's 2 Rikudou Sennin. Oh yeah, Naruto. You're no longer my incarnate. Instead, you and Sasuke are my sons' transcendants." To space invaders. Kaguya was STILL trying to defend Earth from space invaders. To, Kaguya's own people are hunting her down and they are vampires, trying to suck the life force of planets.

It just moves from one entire story to the next.

Now Ikemoto/Kodachi seem to be trying to stay true to the story but maaaan are they going on about it wrong and using retconned stuff as their foundation.
 

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Yeah, but what makes it different would be the main issue. There are many worlds and Earth happens to bear fruit that can awaken the 3rd eye.. Doubt. Why didn't she make Isshiki into a chakra fruit regardless?

Yeah, I mean some of it was derived from having unestablished direction. There were many changes to the ending of the story. Such as Naruto really being Rikudou Sennin's 2nd coming (the Uzumaki is a Senju plotline) to Kaguya is a kind and protectorate of Eath and she stopped all wars. Her ONLY son was her saviour from the God Tree's wrath. To "yeah, Kaguya? she was batshit insanity. She's an alien. She actually was the Juubi and I wasn't the only son. There's 2 Rikudou Sennin. Oh yeah, Naruto. You're no longer my incarnate. Instead, you and Sasuke are my sons' transcendants." To space invaders. Kaguya was STILL trying to defend Earth from space invaders. To, Kaguya's own people are hunting her down and they are vampires, trying to suck the life force of planets.

It just moves from one entire story to the next.

Now Ikemoto/Kodachi seem to be trying to stay true to the story but maaaan are they going on about it wrong and using retconned stuff as their foundation.
Perhaps Earth's god tree was there far longer than others. When Sasuke went into that place with the holograms(?), there was another alien pair who's insignias were destroyed. Maybe they planted the tree Kaguya ate from & the Juubi that Isshiki has is the seed he and Kaguya brought. I agree with you on her not turning him into a fruit, but what retcons are Isshiki's backstory being built upon?
 

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Perhaps Earth's god tree was there far longer than others. When Sasuke went into that place with the holograms(?), there was another alien pair who's insignias were destroyed. Maybe they planted the tree Kaguya ate from & the Juubi that Isshiki has is the seed he and Kaguya brought. I agree with you on her not turning him into a fruit, but what retcons are Isshiki's backstory being built upon?

well, nothing really. He was Urashiki to start with. In the movie, 3 people were to come seeking out Kaguya. Momoshiki, Kinshiki and Urashiki.

He was supposed to be the partner but was scrapped due to time (movie only alotted 1.5hrs typically until people start losing interest).

I think Ikemoto just added Isshiki and had Urashiki be partnered with someone else. (so it doesn't seem like Kaguya was flying solo).

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If we look at the arrangement of the the pairs, we can see that they are all lined up based on hierarchy but also all the 3rd eye awakenings are in the same row.

on the top right corner, we can see the desecrated symbols of Ursahiki's and his partner. Since his partner seems to be missing, it is most likely that he has eaten him/her.

The whatever visible part of it seem to point out that he is a 3rd eye user (or designated) as it is still perceivable enough to derive that it is his horns depicted.
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A head guard like horn with a circular symbol similar to Kaguya's and Momoshiki's means that it is most likely the 3rd eye and the horn is too similar to Urashiki.

It is possible that he has Rinnegan with him somewhere. (going on about Hagoromo and Momoshiki's duality theory)
 
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The fruit she ate may have been better or had different DNA info. Momoshiki had rinnegan on his hands and Kaguya didn't I figured it was because of the chakra fruit they ate. It also could have something to do with Kaguya had a fruit all to herself and it went to her head lol. Momoshiki probably shared with Kinshiki.
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The Jougan and Urashiki is filler far as I am concerned
 
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The fruit she ate may have been better or had different DNA info. Momoshiki had rinnegan on his hands and Kaguya didn't I figured it was because of the chakra fruit they ate. It also could have something to do with Kaguya had a fruit all to herself and it went to her head lol. Momoshiki probably shared with Kinshiki.
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The Jougan and Urashiki is filler far as I am concerned
Like I said, there were many worlds that they have cultivated and harvested. So what makes Earth's so special?

Momoshiki and Kinshiki had been eating many fruits (not just sharing) and considering the many worlds that Kaguya had, she and Isshiki must've harvested them too and eaten the fruits from them.

Backing up the fact that Kinshiki revealed that the Otsutsuki eats their own people to awaken the 3rd eye (im paraphrasing here), means that it is the official way that we've had to awaken that. So what makes this tree special?

My main guess is that it must at the very least come from one of their own people and was planted till it bore fruit.

We also see in the intro, Momoshiki and Kinshiki's harvest world had many trees. While we only know that for Earth, it only has that one (that we know of).

Those 2 are the only reason as to why Earth's chakra fruit is special that I can think of.

1) An Otsutsuki was turned into a fruit. Then planted
2) Earth only had one god tree and was brimming with life energy that was not being used (because no one can use ninjutsu and ninshu)
 
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