[Theory] Kaguya, The Hyuga Curse Seal

[Sherlock.]

I like the theory but Kishi gave almost no development to Hyugas in part two. It would be random if he brings in a strong Hyuga Shinobi at this stage. One thing that I would love to see is a badass character from Kaguya's home world using Byakugan to it's max potential.

 

[Hidari]

I'd like to see a link between Hamura, Kaguya and the Hyuuga. It'll make Hinata more relevant and would downplay Sakura. Win-win.​

 

[ninjarasengan]

No, you have comprehension problem, it's not just that I'm looking at the facts, it's should not debatable when you being analytical and compare the two clans. Of course facts doesn't mean anything as long it makes logical sense, and that's what I'm trying to say.

The Hyuga clan can see the things that most ninja can't and can see in a giant radius with the Byakugan to see Shino's real body, and should see every single bug. If they surround him or suck his chakra he can use Full Body Blow or Kaiten to knock out, destroy them and deflect any attack from the Aburame.


Akimichi advantages:

• 50 meter distance already grants Choji the advantage (since he can expand)
• Akimichi is a lot bigger and stronger
• He is able to use the calorie control without the help of the pills; therefore, he wouldn't be suffering from any devastating side effects

Hyuuga advantages:

• They're alot lighter, therefore, it'll be easier for them to move
• They have good reflex/reaction feats (thanks to the Byakugan); that would enable him to dodge accordingly
• As for Giant Akimichi, Gentle fist is a great counter for giant opponents with high external durability.
• Air Palm, Vacuum Palm should knock out 100m size

I'm gonna use Chouju and Neji as reference

Blood lusted Choji would definitely activate his Calorie Control + Butterfly Bullet Bombing so he can spam attacks on Neji. The build up of chakra all over Choji's body would be apparent to Neji's Byakugan. That already gives him an impression of a possible enhancement in strength and that right there would put him on his guard. Neji should realize the vast difference in their strengths and would make evasion a priority. Also, he should know that since he cannot possibly defeat Choji by means of physical strength, trying to not get caught and evasion by all means necessary is his only option for the moment. Since it's one on one and there's no Shikamaru to help Choji get his opponent in a vulnerable position and since Neji is at least able to fend off things (that would instantly kill him) he can barely see, evasion shouldn't be that difficult.

Choji can use his Super Multi Size technique to be safe- with only the risk of having the whole building to fall apart. So actually, neither of them can benefit from that. Plus, even even without the pills:

Super Multi-Size Technique: However, the abnormally extreme physical change also places a large burden on the user’s body.


When worse comes to worst, with all those falling debris, Kaiten or Hakke Kusho can come to play. Neji can opt to win by outlasting his opponent.

If evasion is futile or if it can't work forever, I don't see why he would still waste his time, effort and chakra in hitting Choji's possibly enlarged tenketsu points or Kaiten, when he can just run into his shoulders to get to his head and blind him or could just simply land a blow on his brain.

Don't forget about the Air Palm and Vacuum Air Palm should able to knock out the the 100 meter super multi size technique because it was able to knock out the Juubi Hands and keep in mind it's 10x larger than the Susanoo.

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Over all Hyuuga wins mid-high difficulty.

Nope I don't have a comprehension problem...the hand that was deflected by Kaiten was nowhere close to the size of a fully expanded Akimichi(which is why two of the Akimichi grew large and could hold them off) It was second form Juubi's hand so how exactly was it 10x larger than the Susanoo(I'm assuming you mean perfect susanoo) looks like you are the one failing to take things in...

2nd point not all Akimichi fight like choji in the first place...In his giant form chouza fights with a staff

You gave Akimichi calorie control without the pills? I think chouji was special in being able to accomplish that feat...but anyway, you do realize calorie control has the same x100 multiplier as the eight gates right? (How it affects speed though is unknown)

Those moves you point out for Neji...aren't things like Kaiten exclusive to the main branch and also things like Kaiten and air palm are chakra Intensive so being forced to constantly deflect would exhaust them

So a problem for most Hyuuga vs Aburame match ups is that they wouldn't have the moves you suggest they use to counter their opponent.

Also just to throw it out there...Hiruzen was still alive when Hiashi made that claim and he is of the Sarutobi clan

Hypothetical Hiruzen leading Sarutobi clan vs Hiashi leading Hyuuga clan...what do you think?

You have 'some' solid arguments, but your outcomes are mostly situational...at least you realized it won't be so easy for the Hyuuga to one-shot unless their opponent is unprepared.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Whoa whoa Slow down buddy, this is just my speculation, when did I ever stated it's a fact. Perhaps I get a bit carried but that just because my theory is 98% plausible when Kishi clearly uses the Princess Kaguya, and the Bamboo moon legend reference which almost lead to my argument about the byakugan which heavenly implied she had the Byakugan before eating the fruit

Anyway, my theory will not remain facts until proven otherwise.

Okay, as long as you are not saying it has been confirmed that Kaguya had Byakugan before the fruit....

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Nope I don't have a comprehension problem...the hand that was deflected by Kaiten was nowhere close to the size of a fully expanded Akimichi(which is why two of the Akimichi grew large and could hold them off) It was second form Juubi's hand so how exactly was it 10x larger than the Susanoo(I'm assuming you mean perfect susanoo) looks like you are the one failing to take things in...

2nd point not all Akimichi fight like choji in the first place...In his giant form chouza fights with a staff

You gave Akimichi calorie control without the pills? I think chouji was special in being able to accomplish that feat...but anyway, you do realize calorie control has the same x100 multiplier as the eight gates right? (How it affects speed though is unknown)

Those moves you point out for Neji...aren't things like Kaiten exclusive to the main branch and also things like Kaiten and air palm are chakra Intensive so being forced to constantly deflect would exhaust them

So a problem for most Hyuuga vs Aburame match ups is that they wouldn't have the moves you suggest they use to counter their opponent.

Also just to throw it out there...Hiruzen was still alive when Hiashi made that claim and he is of the Sarutobi clan

Hypothetical Hiruzen leading Sarutobi clan vs Hiashi leading Hyuuga clan...what do you think?

You have 'some' solid arguments, but your outcomes are mostly situational...at least you realized it won't be so easy for the Hyuuga to one-shot unless their opponent is unprepared.

First of all, If vacuum wall palm was capable of knocking back the juubi's arm from the ground hundreds of meters to the sky, it can do so to susano'O too, as not only is v2 susano'O like 10 times smaller than than the juubi's hand, but it's also hollow, since the user can stand on the inside, while the juubi's hand is not hollow, but dense. So not only is the juubi arm much bigger, but also much denser than v2 Susano'O and yet it was knocked back by vacuum air wall palm. This Juubi arm is the same size yet probably bigger as of giant Akimichi Hand and it's half of the size as Fully grown giant Akimichi. This mean it should send a powerful wave of chakra from for the air palm simultaneously with great force towards an opponent which deal the blows of fully thrust expanded Akimichi gives some small knock back , but not completely as it can still Stands. However if someone like Chouji throws his giant hand punch at the Hyuga then it should able to knock out easily as it did to the Juubi hand. Plus the Rotation should counter as well.

Secondly, it doesn't give much difference how Akimichi fights, the staff won't able to pierce the Hyuga Rotation greatest defence plus their Byakugan cannot be fooled, as it can still easily move.

Ok even they used the pills, we're talking about part 1 feats and it's not going to work on the Hyuga and we have not seen the effects and the amount of power taken the pills in part 2 so we can't base on assumption. Plus mastering the Calorie control is the same power or more equivalent of taking the Pills so in other word it's not for boosting unless you're under the experience of unable learning to control the Calorie control. Chouji even stated he doesn't need the pills anymore.


No Neji mastered most of the Hyuga exclusive technique from the Main Branch and even he's the strongest member of the Hyuga clan and that what makes him a genius. You got it all wrong, Hyuga are one of the best when it comes to chakra control, so it can't exhaust them.

No the Hyuga does have counter to the Abrame insect, I don't see anyone deny it in the most Hyuga vs Abrame matchup.


It's like you saying the Uchiha were alive when they made that claim for Hiruzen to become Hokage. We're talking about Hiruzen the individual who mastered all jutsu and those weren't even Sarutobi bloodline so of course he's more suitable to become Hokage, that doesn't give you the right that Sarutobi are stronger than Hyuga.

So hypothetically, Hiruzen is leading the Village while Hiashi leading the hyuga clan.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I like the theory but Kishi gave almost no development to Hyugas in part two. It would be random if he brings in a strong Hyuga Shinobi at this stage. One thing that I would love to see is a badass character from Kaguya's home world using Byakugan to it's max potential.

Same thing as to how people complain when Kaguya being randomly the FV and especially she posses the Byakugan which makes it even more relevant.

I'd like to see a link between Hamura, Kaguya and the Hyuuga. It'll make Hinata more relevant and would downplay Sakura. Win-win.​

I could definitely see the link, I hope it's true =)

 

[ninjarasengan]

First of all, If vacuum wall palm was capable of knocking back the juubi's arm from the ground hundreds of meters to the sky, it can do so to susano'O too, as not only is v2 susano'O like 10 times smaller than than the juubi's hand, but it's also hollow, since the user can stand on the inside, while the juubi's hand is not hollow, but dense. So not only is the juubi arm much bigger, but also much denser than v2 Susano'O and yet it was knocked back by vacuum air wall palm. This Juubi arm is the same size yet probably bigger as of giant Akimichi Hand and it's half of the size as Fully grown giant Akimichi. This mean it should send a powerful wave of chakra from for the air palm simultaneously with great force towards an opponent which deal the blows of fully thrust expanded Akimichi gives some small knock back , but not completely as it can still Stands. However if someone like Chouji throws his giant hand punch at the Hyuga then it should able to knock out easily as it did to the Juubi hand. Plus the Rotation should counter as well.

Secondly, it doesn't give much difference how Akimichi fights, the staff won't able to pierce the Hyuga Rotation greatest defence plus their Byakugan cannot be fooled, as it can still easily move.

Ok even they used the pills, we're talking about part 1 feats and it's not going to work on the Hyuga and we have not seen the effects and the amount of power taken the pills in part 2 so we can't base on assumption. Plus mastering the Calorie control is the same power or more equivalent of taking the Pills so in other word it's not for boosting unless you're under the experience of unable learning to control the Calorie control. Chouji even stated he doesn't need the pills anymore.


No Neji mastered most of the Hyuga exclusive technique from the Main Branch and even he's the strongest member of the Hyuga clan and that what makes him a genius. You got it all wrong, Hyuga are one of the best when it comes to chakra control, so it can't exhaust them.

No the Hyuga does have counter to the Abrame insect, I don't see anyone deny it in the most Hyuga vs Abrame matchup.


It's like you saying the Uchiha were alive when they made that claim for Hiruzen to become Hokage. We're talking about Hiruzen the individual who mastered all jutsu and those weren't even Sarutobi bloodline so of course he's more suitable to become Hokage, that doesn't give you the right that Sarutobi are stronger than Hyuga.

So hypothetically, Hiruzen is leading the Village while Hiashi leading the hyuga clan.

The only time Byakugan Knocked second form Juubi's hand to a mountain was when Hinata was buffed up on Kurama's chakra...a joint simultaneous Kaiton from Neji and Hiashi barely knocked one of second form Juubi's tail hands away, it doesn't seem to have gone far

V2 Susanoo? I thought you were talking about PS...If you are talking about Ps, then you are wrong it rivals the size of a fully expanded Akimichi and as shown in chapter 616 page ten...the Juubi Tail hands are nowhere close to the size of a fully expanded Akimichi

You tell me the average mundane Hyuuga have a counter to aburame, yet you do not say what said counter is(I'm not going to take your word for it since you are clearly basing things off your feelings)

also i couldn't care less what most don't deny...number one most are bias due to having some weird sexual attraction to a fictional character. Number two, I like to interpret things on my own.

It does matter if they fight with a staff...they can keep their opponent at a distance and force them to waste chakra

'Sarutobi Hiruzen'...his name suggest that he was part of the Sarutobi clan, thus he should be factored into there strength...the thing you said about him learning none Sarutobi jutsu is irrelevant, it doesn't change the fact of who his clan is...is Konohamaru invalidated as a representative of the Sarutobi clan because Naruto taught him Rasengan? what is this bloodline nonsense you are going on about? when has it been said that the Sarutobi clan has a bloodline.

the Hypothetical scenario was so the two clan could be pitted against each other because you are claim Hyuuga superiority based off an arrogant characters boasts.(What does Hiashi know, you think he would have said Naruto could defeat Neji prior to actually witnessing him do it...characters in Kishimoto's Manga are no all knowing)

 

[Waindo]

Hyuuga's are probably more relevant to the plot (as are Uzumaki's) than Senju's and Uchiha's.

Awesome thread btw. I really enjoyed the read.

 

[zzsdkzz]

It's already been established how the third eye activates. It has nothing to do with the byakugan. 2x Rinnegan and proximity to the moon unlocks it.