Kaguya taking over Madara would be stupid

[blizard2]

yeah im sick with this puppet-villain shit, first it was orochimaru then he turn good side, same with nagato, and then obito. All of them turn good side. If same thing happen to Madara it would be ****.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Only people who want Kaguya as a villain are the are the ones who don't like Madara , is not because Kaguya makes sense or would be better , because is not ...like the thread says : She was never hinted , nothing was brought up till after 600 + chapters by the Sage who was hinted in the manga , bringing a random character out of nowhere to be the FV is retarded no matter what her story says .

You do realize this is Kishi we're dealing with?Logic and reason mean nothing to him.

 

[-Punk-]

you look at the story in too much of a linear fashion, actually a lot of the sages backstory (since it really started building up in part 2, ie: naruto and sasuke being related and descendants/ reincarnations) has been building up for a while now. ANd since this is so... at a certain point they had to have descended from one character/ starting point. WHich is kaguya who ties together almost all of the elements of the story. So she really isn't coming out of Nowhere, her essence has been part of the story since the beginning.

No I don't agree , infact the Sage as a villain would make more sense .


I agree with Aya too , I still believe in Oro .

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Not a fan, no.

I've given my opinion in an argument with Madara Rules on why Madara will be taken over. It was easier to post that...
Kaguya is the beginning of the evil of Chakra. She is responsible for everything. Even Infinite Tsukuyomi. For Kaguya to be revealed as evil, hyped to be stronger than the Sage, and be shown to be inside Madara, only for her to... Go away, would be awful, awful writing.

Bad writing depends on opinion. I think a random character we have not seen for 600+ chapters replacing a character responsible for several important events is stupid. Look at Esdeath post before. I said Kaguya can help Madara in his fight just like the Sage is doing.

 

[Aya San]

And some Hyuga fans wants her to be FV because she has a Byakugan and is a woman. Which are not good reasons to make a series FINAL VILLAIN.

That Crystal Chakra

 

[ObitoGokuKakashi]

Not a fan, no.

I've given my opinion in an argument with Madara Rules on why Madara will be taken over. It was easier to post that...
Kaguya is the beginning of the evil of Chakra. She is responsible for everything. Even Infinite Tsukuyomi. For Kaguya to be revealed as evil, hyped to be stronger than the Sage, and be shown to be inside Madara, only for her to... Go away, would be awful, awful writing.

Yes I'm with ♪HiddenSound. Madaras time has come. He really doesn't deserve to be FV. I mean, since he is there, it seems that he doesn't care about 'his' Plan at all.

 

[assface3]

No amount of asspulls could explain Kaguya being the FV.

I'd prefer a sentient Juubi over Kaguya.

 

[NextGenNinja]

I agree. The shinju or oro being FV would be much better.

 

[HiddenSound]

Bad writing depends on opinion. I think a random character we have not seen for 600+ chapters replacing a character responsible for several important events is stupid. Look at Esdeath post before. I said Kaguya can help Madara in his fight just like the Sage is doing.

Eh, in my opinion Madara is a bland, boring villain. I'd rather take someone brand new than a disappointment. All this boils down to mere opinion anyway.

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

Who cares about what some second-rate "fans" say about the manga or anime's story if u dont like gtfo

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Who cares about what some second-rate "fans" say about the manga or anime's story if u dont like gtfo

Nice logic,do you say that to anyone whose opinions you don't like?Obviously you cared enough to post in this thread.

Also the "don't like it,then get out" copout is beyond played out and is only used by people who have nothing to contribute to the discussion at hand.

 

[Forest]

how is kaguya a random character..... isn't time being cyclical a major theme of Kishimoto's story? Where did it all come from if not from kaguya.... kishi wanted to draw more parallels and bring things together to conclude the story.... i don't see how kaguya is "random".

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

how is kaguya a random character..... isn't time being cyclical a major theme of Kishimoto's story? Where did it all come from if not from kaguya.... kishi wanted to draw more parallels and bring things together to conclude the story.... i don't see how kaguya is "random".

She's random in the sense we hardly know anything about her aside from what the Sage said.

 

[Forest]

She's random in the sense we hardly know anything about her aside from what the Sage said.

Maybe only subjectively. Keep in mind we are talking about Kishimoto's universe... and when you take into account that all of the chakra in the world comes from the tree, and that she and her sons created the foundation for ninjutsu, then she is every in the story all at once.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Maybe only Objectively. Keep in mind we are talking about Kishimoto's universe... and when you take into account that all of the chakra in the world comes from the tree, and that she and her sons created the foundation for ninjutsu, then she is every in the story all at once.

But in order to be the final villian Kaguya has to have more of a presence in the story.For example if she was the one who manipulated Madara from the start and told him of the Moon Eye plan, then it would make sense for her to be the actual villian.

 

[Forest]

But in order to be the final villian Kaguya has to have more of a presense in the story.For example if she was the one who manipulated Madara from the start and told him of the Moon Eye plan then it would make sense for her to be the actual villian.

It's not that direct and concrete as you say but....
This is all according to hagoromo:

The Moon eye plan was developed by Madara after he went crazy while searching for power/ studying the stone tablet, to change the world to his way and his views.... He wanted to achieve the ultimate power to acquire his twisted view of world peace, and also to get back at hashirama for snaking him.

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The obsession of this Power is said to have come from Kaguya when the Lineage and bloodline of these people first started... after she had absorbed the Fruit...

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In the same way that Naruto and others are effected by Hashirama/ Ashura/ Hagoromo's will... Madara, Indra, and arguably Obito/ Sasuke have been effected to the same extent through their anti-social, Immoral quest for power by Kaguya's will.
So it was not her directly Manipulating them but more of an inherited thought pattern, or delusion.

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[Scryed]

I do like Madara's character but sorry, I do think Kaguya or the Shinju will take over the manga.

Kishi isn't the only one to have used this part of mythology (Legend of Dragoon used it to)

In which case, a new foe is supposed to emerge towards the final conflict (Legend of Dragoon=Virage Embryo/Naruto=Kaguya or God Tree maybe?) Which will force everyone to unite to stop their own destruction. It's supposed to happen when the flower blooms(fruit emerges).

Although I'm not sure if Kishi will follow it through completely. And if he does, I'm still unsure whether Kaguya will be this "God of Destruction" or if it will be created upon the emergence of the fruit.


I guess it's also possible that Kishi made Madara to be this God of Destruction(Since Madara made his appearance in this final conflict which is the war Obito started) but a bit too early to tell.

Kaguya speaking kinda had me wondering. Why would Kishi introduce her this way for her to play no role. Much less she also seems to be alive within the tree or something.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I want her to be final villiam

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Well it's quite logical that Kaguya was the main source to corrupt the Ninja world lusting for Power, this what made Madara lose hopes after unravel the truth behind the tomb stone. Kaguya taking over Madara is already likely to happen after what Hagoromo said to Naruto about a once rabbit goddess becoming a death god who brought terror to the world and these latest chapters were enough proof when we see Kaguya eyes in pitchblack was inside the god tree who spoke to Madara.

Furthermore, Kishi most likely took that reference with the real Princess Kaguya emerged when a bamboo tree was cut just like when Naruto cut the God Tree with Lava Rasenshiruken.

 

[saw2097]

Not if its done right.

I think she isn't the one behind Madara, she is just taking advantage of a situation that Madara created through his actions.

Its more like he accidently releases a monster, that he can't control.