Kaguya Ōtsutsuki - The Mother of Chakra... Was kinda Disappointing.

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Lol , you are angry , .
That happens often when you're owned like an insect.

Still no proof?Still denying my win?

Far from it, I'm actually pretty calm. You haven't even gotten close to seeing me angry.


Proof? C***, I've been posting a slew of Manga scans and Databook entries for several ****ing pages! You haven't even posted a shred of proof to date.

Thanks for dodging your hypocrisy and everything I say again. You're good at it.

 

[davidou]

Far from it, I'm actually pretty calm. You haven't even gotten close to seeing me angry.


Proof? C***, I've been posting a slew of Manga scans and Databook entries for several ****ing pages! You haven't even posted a shred of proof to date.

Thanks for dodging your hypocrisy and everything I say again. You're good at it.

There is no proof in those scans , you lost , again and again.
You don't understand the concept "fact" , you don't understand the concept "proof".

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

There is no proof in those scans , you lost , again and again.
You don't understand the concept "fact" , you don't understand the concept "proof".

Besides that there's literary flashbacks in some of those panels and that its directly stated in the Databook? :xD:

Lol, you need to learn English. Proof:

evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

What were you saying again?


You dodged your hypocrisy again, good job.

 

[davidou]

Besides that there's literary flashbacks in some of those panels and that its directly stated in the Databook? :xD:

Lol, you need to learn English. Proof:


What were you saying again?


You dodged your hypocrisy again, good job.

Again , you bring a def , only to show us that you don't understand it , for the third time.

You should take your words for yourself and work on the primary concepts of language that you don't understand , young boy.
Again , you don't understand what you say.
Fact , deny and proof are very easy concepts that you don't understand , just shame on you.
Objectively , you have still no proof , you are still losing and divaguing.

Will you show us more of your poor understanding of very primary concepts of every language?

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Again , you bring a def , only to show us that you don't understand it , for the third time.

You should take your words for yourself and work on the primary concepts of language that you don't understand , young boy.
Again , you don't understand what you say.
Fact , deny and proof are very easy concepts that you don't understand , just shame on you.
Objectively , you have still no proof , you are still losing and divaguing.

Will you show us more of your poor understanding of very primary concepts of every language?

The meaning of the word proof is pretty clear:

evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

I've been posting proof since the beginning, you haven't posted anything at all. You are just all talk.

Before Kaguya ate the fruit, there was no chakra at all, as it all lied within the Chakra Fruit. Kaguya after eating the fruit is the first person to have chakra (within that world as there are more Shinju's in the other dimensions) and Hagoromo was the first person born with chakra (Hamura is his younger twin, which means he is second).

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Kaguya's chakra is stated to disperse into Hagoromo and Hamura (their chakra is directly from her):
↓ The birth of Hagoromo and Hamura. Kaguya's chakra had become dispersed

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This is directly canon and is stated in both the Manga and Databook.

Still with me?

Next up, is that Hagoromo spreads chakra across the world....

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This same chakra is called Kaguya's chakra:

'Mankind, endowed with Kaguya's dispersed chakra.' And by logic, considering Hagoromo's chakra is Kaguya's, and he spreads it through the world, obviously that same chakra equates to Kaguya's.

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'Progenitor of all chakra.'

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All chakra 'here' is stated to be the Shinju's (Kaguya's).

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Kaguya says chakra is only hers. Then she states she'll blend chakra into one once again.

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Sentence structure and logic dictates that she's saying all chakra originally lied together in one, and that she's trying to achieve this once more. Of course you'll probably deny this without a single Manga scan or Databook entry backing you up as is your habit

This is all the evidence I need. A, Kaguya, mother and originator of chakra states this, B, Zetsu states this, C, Hagoromo states this, D, Last and Boruto agree with this, E, in some panels there are flashbacks. Last and finally, canon material from the Databook directly lists this as fact to the Naruto history. This is supported by all these people in the Manga and the movies, and proven by the Databook.

Your arguments are stupid, and your hypocrisy is eminent

 

[CreativeSeun]

Well said,stated And nice intelligent argument so far..haven't read the manga yet, maybe when I do I will state mine own opinion

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Well said,stated And nice intelligent argument so far..haven't read the manga yet, maybe when I do I will state mine own opinion

You talking to me? If so, Ich danke Ihnen.

 

[Felix]

This was a nice thread until the debates became so annoing.

If i wish to understand something is how come Kaguya who ate the trees fruit (and the tree was mad because of that) and the BZ statement that mother is the tree itself can be true in the same time. When and how became the Rabbit Goddess the tree?

And i think i know why Madara, the one who had in his hand all the power than a human (ninja, to be more accurate) is possible to have was defeated so easy by a trick from behind. He just was too self confident and this is a life lesson. He forgot his former self. I felt sorry for him, and reading the manga all over once again i had the same dissapointment about his end.

Anyway, Kishi's work is not perfect but succeded to put as together so many years. This is something. Thank you, Kishimoto

 

[ROHAN]

If i wish to understand something is how come Kaguya who ate the trees fruit (and the tree was mad because of that) and the BZ statement that mother is the tree itself can be true in the same time. When and how became the Rabbit Goddess the tree?

Madara's statement which he got from the Uchiha Stone Tablet was not the complete picture of what happened.

Kaguya ate the Shinju's fruit and became an embodiment of Chakra.
Her Chakra transferred and divided between Hagoromo and Hamura.
Kaguya in order to reclaim her chakra from her sons fused with the Shinju creating the Juubi.
The Juubi (Shinju/Kaguya) under the control of Kaguya's will then attacked her sons.

 

[davidou]

The meaning of the word proof is pretty clear:

I've been posting proof since the beginning, you haven't posted anything at all. You are just all talk.



This is all the evidence I need. A, Kaguya, mother and originator of chakra states this, B, Zetsu states this, C, Hagoromo states this, D, Last and Boruto agree with this, E, in some panels there are flashbacks. Last and finally, canon material from the Databook directly lists this as fact to the Naruto history. This is supported by all these people in the Manga and the movies, and proven by the Databook.

Your arguments are stupid, and your hypocrisy is eminent

Like I said earlier many times , these scans are no proofs , they are statements , and you don't see the difference between a statement and a proof...So...
You don't understand what "proof" means , so you lose and don't understand it , that's as easy as that .

The fact that you bring definitions to show us that you don't understand them is so funny , you look very stupid doind so again and again.

This was a nice thread until the debates became so annoing.

If i wish to understand something is how come Kaguya who ate the trees fruit (and the tree was mad because of that) and the BZ statement that mother is the tree itself can be true in the same time. When and how became the Rabbit Goddess the tree?

And i think i know why Madara, the one who had in his hand all the power than a human (ninja, to be more accurate) is possible to have was defeated so easy by a trick from behind. He just was too self confident and this is a life lesson. He forgot his former self. I felt sorry for him, and reading the manga all over once again i had the same dissapointment about his end.

Anyway, Kishi's work is not perfect but succeded to put as together so many years. This is something. Thank you, Kishimoto

It's not a debate , it's a lesson over the meaning of the word proof ,

BZ stated that he eared someone say that the Yata mirror deflects everything , who told him?
BZ states a lot of things and he often uses ambiguous words.
We have to weight his words , because even if we can find some truth in his words , he often states probable mistakes like the one you pointed.
Why wouldn't BZ try to fool Kaguya , by showing her love and obediance , by calling her "mother" , until she follows his plan , a bit like he did for Madara?


Shame on Madara , another believer fooled by BZ's words , Naruto may have a challenger in TNJ mastery...

Naruto was a good read , thank you Masashi , I really hope that it's not the end.
I really hope that it was Masashi Kishimoto talking to us in Nagato's mind in that scan:

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Jiraiya is "Naruto" , Nagato is "Naruto shippuden" , and Naruto will be part 3!

 

[CreativeSeun]

Madara's statement which he got from the Uchiha Stone Tablet was not the complete picture of what happened.

Kaguya ate the Shinju's fruit and became an embodiment of Chakra.
Her Chakra transferred and divided between Hagoromo and Hamura.
Kaguya in order to reclaim her chakra from her sons fused with the Shinju creating the Juubi.
The Juubi (Shinju/Kaguya) under the control of Kaguya's will then attacked her sons.

Attacking her sons because they had her chakra? Talk about about crazy mothers!!!

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Like I said earlier many times , these scans are no proofs , they are statements , and you don't see the difference between a statement and a proof...So...
You don't understand what "proof" means , so you lose and don't understand it , that's as easy as that .

The fact that you bring definitions to show us that you don't understand them is so funny , you look very stupid doind so again and again.




It's not a debate , it's a lesson over the meaning of the word proof , :yay

evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

The Databook establishes the truth of those statements and the manga panels with flashbacks further prove it. I understand what proof means, you clearly don't. I think I understand what is wrong with you though, you were clearly dropped as a baby.

I've won this debacle that you've created with Manga scans, logic and proof. Get your head out of your ass and accept defeat.

I'm not going to give fuel to a troll anymore, it is obvious that the troll in this debate doesn't realise I don't give even a little bit of a damn to his words. I've won, and I don't need to linger on an obvious win. Goodbye.

 

[InfamousStorm]

Like I said earlier many times , these scans are no proofs , they are statements , and you don't see the difference between a statement and a proof...So...
You don't understand what "proof" means , so you lose and don't understand it , that's as easy as that .

The fact that you bring definitions to show us that you don't understand them is so funny , you look very stupid doind so again and again.




It's not a debate , it's a lesson over the meaning of the word proof ,

BZ stated that he eared someone say that the Yata mirror deflects everything , who told him?
BZ states a lot of things and he often uses ambiguous words.
We have to weight his words , because even if we can find some truth in his words , he often states probable mistakes like the one you pointed.
Why wouldn't BZ try to fool Kaguya , by showing her love and obediance , by calling her "mother" , until she follows his plan , a bit like he did for Madara?


Shame on Madara , another believer fooled by BZ's words , Naruto may have a challenger in TNJ mastery...

Naruto was a good read , thank you Masashi , I really hope that it's not the end.
I really hope that it was Masashi Kishimoto talking to us in Nagato's mind in that scan:

You must be registered for see images

Jiraiya is "Naruto" , Nagato is "Naruto shippuden" , and Naruto will be part 3!

I don't care if I'm banned for this, but after reading through all of this... all of these nearly hundred posts with your poor grammar... Dude, you're a ****.

 

[davidou]

The Databook establishes the truth of those statements and the manga panels with flashbacks further prove it. I understand what proof means, you clearly don't. I think I understand what is wrong with you though, you were clearly dropped as a baby.

I've won this debacle that you've created with Manga scans, logic and proof. Get your head out of your ass and accept defeat.

I'm not going to give fuel to a troll anymore, it is obvious that the troll in this debate doesn't realise I don't give even a little bit of a damn to his words. I've won, and I don't need to linger on an obvious win. Goodbye.

Your reasonning is wrong.You keep divaguing.
The fact is that you are again proving that you don't understand what proof means.OOPS , your little brain will never understand that sentence.
You are just a believer, stupid enough to not understand that you are a losing believer.

 

[ROHAN]

Attacking her sons because they had her chakra? Talk about about crazy mothers!!!

She became obsessed with chakra for some reason. We don't know why.. Perhaps Kishi will expand it in his future series.

 

[CreativeSeun]

She became obsessed with chakra for some reason. We don't know why.. Perhaps Kishi will expand it in his future series.

Obessession...well I feel it has to do with jealousy and Pride of her being the only one with Chakra making her like their God over them all like in the beginning causing all of them not to have a choice but look up to her and worship her