Kage Trio vs DSM Kabuto

[Rιver]

@EjBlack: Name even one liquid substance in human body that does not conduct electricity. Also if the Raiton cloak E wears has already shown to be conductive, why would it not conduct? Chidori Spear hasn't, while you also have no idea whether the electricity really conducted in the panel or not. Everything you say is pure fallacy, science and manga wise. We all know Kabuto conducts electricity fine.​

 

[wael reda]

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Sasuke and Itachi disagrees. Plus why didnt Shikamru bit his lip if it is a counter?

Itachi was Edo so making him break free from sound by bitting lips would be clear mistake as edos dont feel pain ,also their breaking sound genjutsu at this way doesn't change the fact that shikamaru broke it by breaking his finger
Shikamaru broke free by experiencing pain by breaking his finger so bitting lips should work too ,also kurinai broke free from itachi's genjutsu by that way

Good points about snakes sensing heat to counter mizu's genjutsu

 

[Brother Numpsay]

@EjBlack: Name even one liquid substance in human body that does not conduct electricity. Also if the Raiton cloak E wears has already shown to be conductive, why would it not conduct? Chidori Spear hasn't, while you also have no idea whether the electricity really conducted in the panel or not. Everything you say is pure fallacy, science and manga wise. We all know Kabuto conducts electricity fine.​

I never denied that human body cannot conduct electricity. If you read my premise you would notice that Raiton reactant isn't the same as natural lightening, unless expose to Suiton or natural water.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Itachi was Edo so making him break free from sound by bitting lips would be clear mistake ,also their breaking sound genjutsu at this way doesn't change the fact that shikamaru broke it by breaking his finger
Shikamaru broke free by experiencing pain by breaking his finger so bitting lips should work too ,also kurinai broke free from itachi's genjutsu by that way

Good points about snakes sensing heat to counter mizu's genjutsu

Good reason but Shikimaru wouldn't be able to bite his lip as when Tayuya make sure he couldn't move, you can see that happening when Shikiamaru had to talk in his conscience[

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Kabuto version was able to have Itachi and Sasuke move their heads but we know his was stronger then Tayuya since SM boost.

What both Itachi, Sasuke, and Shikimaru had in common of breaking out was using Yin Release. This genjutsu shows that it cannot block you from using Yin Release.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kabuto wins. None have a counter for white rage or genjutsu.

 

[Rιver]

I never denied that human body cannot conduct electricity. If you read my premise you would notice that Raiton reactant isn't the same as natural lightening, unless expose to Suiton or natural water.

So what's the point? We are discussing bodily fluids, in other words, human body. Body, steel and water have all shown to conduct electricity. Hell, even floor. Manga portrays Raiton able to conduct those regular electricity can and manga supports it.​

 

[DMT]

Kabuto wins. None have a counter for white rage or genjutsu.

What would WR do to 2nd mizukage or 3rd raikage or Mu ?

 

[TRE MERCER]

What would WR do to 2nd mizukage or 3rd raikage or Mu ?

Let's see blind and immobilize them. 3rd Raikage would literally be a sitting duck Kimmimaru bones through the eye ends him bone forest ends Muu and Mizukage survives via water body but after the other 2 fall down Kabuto proceeds to whip him as well.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

So what's the point? We are discussing bodily fluids, in other words, human body. Body, steel and water have all shown to conduct electricity. Hell, even floor. Manga portrays Raiton able to conduct those regular electricity can and manga supports it.​

everything here is correct but what you're not getting is that not every Raiton focuses on electrocution. my premise shows that Some raiton just focuses on penetration or reflexes and sheilding. We have see focus penetration not electrocuting the human body. Sasuke vs yamato and orochimaru or Ay vs.Juugo ( I use them as example since there were living from it). best complaints got from that was body going numb.

 

[wael reda]

Good reason but Shikimaru wouldn't be able to bite his lip as when Tayuya make sure he couldn't move, you can see that happening when Shikiamaru had to talk in his conscience[

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Kabuto version was able to have Itachi and Sasuke move their heads but we know his was stronger then Tayuya since SM boost.

What both Itachi, Sasuke, and Shikimaru had in common of breaking out was using Yin Release. This genjutsu shows that it cannot block you from using Yin Release.

Shikamaru's saying that he can't move doesn't mean he can't bit his lips ,kurunai wasn't able to move or avoid itachi's kunai attack yet she was able to bit her lips and break of itachi's ginjutu then avoid itachi's kunai attack

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Also itachi and sasuke 's being able to move their heads prove my points that so small movements ( like biting lips) can be done even inside sound ginjutsu

So sound ginjutsu isn't a factor and won't beat the kages ofc

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Shikamaru's saying that he can't move doesn't mean he can't bit his lips ,kurunai wasn't able to move or avoid itachi's kunai attack yet she was able to bit her lips and break of itachi's ginjutu then avoid itachi's kunai attack

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Also itachi and sasuke 's being able to move their heads prove my points that so small movements ( like biting lips) can be done even inside sound ginjutsu

So sound ginjutsu isn't a factor and won't beat the kages ofc

Using a different genjutsu doesnt prove your point and they carry different priorities

Shikimaru didnt have hey bubble response therefore he was thinking it since his lips can't move.

Sage modet dramatically increases genjutsu so you can't use that for your support to break out

 

[Eternal Sage]

How does kabuto counter jinton?

IMO, Kabuto can't beat one mid-kage level and two high-kage level opponents by himself. He gets killed by jinton, hell stab, or jouki boy

 

[Apêx1]

The snakes are using body heatness, which I think is a form oh physical contact, since they feel its not physical there and go after whats physically there. a mirage isn't going to produce heat from the mirage. Kabuto version of Liqudficaiton is different then Hozi clan. Kabuto uses his own body fluids. I broke it down one time, let me quote:

What kind of physics class have you taken.. It has nothing to do with contact sensing. They simply sense the heat that is being exerted by a human body in the same way a sensor senses the chakra within the human body. A sensor mistaking where the real body lies means his 5 senses are affected, thus a snake should be no different, as it has no form of contact sensing. The mirage won't produce heat, but it will make it seem like that's where the heat is coming from, since the 5 senses are affected, smell being one of them.

The conclusion you were led to from your premise is false. Only because attacks don't electrocute normal skin upon contact (when non-penetrative) doesn't mean the normal attacks won't electrocute what it has already penetrated, since the part it has penetrated is in fact made of body liquid, a great conductor of electricity. Piercing attacks electrocute because they've reached the inside of the human body/affected nerves/travelled through body fluids, if the attack goes through a state of liquid, it will indubitably flow its current into the liquid, thus putting Kabuto in a state of nigh-death. Your basing your premise on the fact that a punch wasn't capable of electrocuting normal skin, so a punch which has electric properties to it cannot electrocute body liquids upon contact, which is fallacious and has no implication, manga evidence or real world biology/physics to back it up, hence the point is deemed moot.

 

[wael reda]

Using a different genjutsu doesnt prove your point and they carry different priorities

Shikimaru didnt have hey bubble response therefore he was thinking it since his lips can't move.

Sage modet dramatically increases genjutsu so you can't use that for your support to break out

You yourself admitted that itachi and sasuke were able to move their heads and speak ,,so they will be able to bit their lips and break the ginjutsu
Your talking about kabuto's ginjutsu being enhanced by sm is a weak point and doesn't prove that it can't be proken by experiencing pain

 

[uzamakininjalegend]

Muu and 3rd win in 10 secs

 

[ARGUS]

Kages win this

--With the starting distance of 50m, muu goes airborne ready to fire a jinton, whilst the mizukage sets up his clam genjutsu,

--Muu therefore evades white rage, and the mizukage has no real effect on it at all thanks to his liquifying, and a chakra scalpel isnt going to cut it against the raikage either, whether he has his armor up or not, and Mugen onsa is evaded by all of them after looking at the starting distance, and the location of the battle,

--Kimimaros bones are not even scratching the raikage, and the mizukages liquifying renders all of kabutos physical attacks useless, and muu can just evade them with ease, seeing how his sensing and invisiblity prevents kabuto from landing a proper blow at him

--Kabuto still has no ways of locating muu at all, and manda 2 is just getting atomised to dust, not to mention that the mizukage can use his joki boy to blow kabuto up,

--THe clam genjutsu, joki boy, and the raikages durability allows the kages more than enough time for muu to fire a large scale jinton which will atomise kabuto to dust

 

[Icelerate]

Genjutsu effects all five senses or else someone with smell could have easily located the oily 2nd Mizukage. In other words, temperature based sensing is unlikely to work as well.

3rd Raikage will be hard for Kabuto to finish off while Muu has the ultimate offence that can finish Kabuto off. All that is needed here is 3rd Raikage, who will benefit if Muu gets Onoki's feats to allow him to lighten 3rd Raikage, giving him flight or increased speed.

Team kages take this mid difficulty.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What kind of physics class have you taken.. It has nothing to do with contact sensing. They simply sense the heat that is being exerted by a human body in the same way a sensor senses the chakra within the human body. A sensor mistaking where the real body lies means his 5 senses are affected, thus a snake should be no different, as it has no form of contact sensing. The mirage won't produce heat, but it will make it seem like that's where the heat is coming from, since the 5 senses are affected, smell being one of them.

There is no evidence that Mizukage's effects all 5 senses so my argument still stands. Unless you have evidence that it fools the nose and physical sensation.

Piercing attacks electrocute because they've reached the inside of the human body/affected nerves/travelled through body fluids

Are we talking about natural lightening or unnatural? My evidence leads to talking about the unnatural.

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, no electrocute when it reached the inside his body, when it should went through his nerves/travelled through body fluids.

Can make more cases, literally. Natural lightening =/= unnatural lightening.

You yourself admitted that itachi and sasuke were able to move their heads and speak ,,so they will be able to bit their lips and break the ginjutsu
Your talking about kabuto's ginjutsu being enhanced by sm is a weak point and doesn't prove that it can't be proken by experiencing pain

Which you have no evidence that it would work otherwise Sasuke would have done it.

No that exactly why you cant use that as evidence otherwise you stating that Kabuto's is inferior.

Genjutsu effects all five senses

Where are people getting this. When was this stated to effect all 5?

 

[Apêx1]

There is no evidence that Mizukage's effects all 5 senses so my argument still stands. Unless you have evidence that it fools the nose and physical sensation.



Are we talking about natural lightening or unnatural? My evidence leads to talking about the unnatural.

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, no electrocute when it reached the inside his body, when it should went through his nerves/travelled through body fluids.

Can make more cases, literally. Natural lightening =/= unnatural lightening.



Which you have no evidence that it would work otherwise Sasuke would have done it.

No that exactly why you cant use that as evidence otherwise you stating that Kabuto's is inferior.



Where are people getting this. When was this stated to effect all 5?

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Affects all 5 senses. Clam genjutsu chooses what the enemy user sees, smells, hears, etc.
There's no difference when it comes to Bodily fluids being electrocuted. Juugo' normal body not being electrotuded by a Raiton punch doesn't mean it wont get affected by any of the nukites, all of which are penetrating attacks, and all raiton penetrating attacks (chidori, Kusanagi, Raikiri, etc..) have been numbed, which means electricity travelled through their bodies. This implies any nukite will travel through the body fluids, and end Kabuto.

 

[Minato namikaze123]

Kage's low deff..!!
jinton ends it!!!