Kage Trio vs DSM Kabuto

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Restrictions : Edo Tensei
Intel : none for kabuto and the kages
Distance : 50m
Location : forest


Assuming that 3rd raikage can use black Raiton & Mu can use onokis feats like this one
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Jinton ends. Clam genjutsu gg. Hell stab can end once contact is made/if it is made.
 

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Sound Genjutsu negs

Kabuto can't use Genjutsu against someone he can't see like Mu

or someone using Yin-Gen and cant be located like the 2nd Mizukage

Or someone can tank his chakra slash in his base form like the 3rd Raikage
 

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Hmm kage med diff.

The forest helps kabuto though, with whatever that reanimation jutsu is MT(?).
 

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Kabuto can't use Genjutsu against someone he can't see like Mu

or someone using Yin-Gen and cant be located like the 2nd Mizukage

Or someone can tank his chakra slash in his base form like the 3rd Raikage


What in the world are you talking about? None of these are good reason they counter his Genjutsu
 

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What in the world are you talking about? None of these are good reason they counter his Genjutsu

Then again, Jinton is faster than sound genjutsu, so how does Kabuto land sound genjutsu first?
Clam is summoned in the same speed that Tayuya's doppelganger is released (if not quicker).
Third Raikage pressurises Kabuto with his speed to prevent Kabuto from casting the sound genjutsu, or even generating the doppelganger in the first place, allowing for Jinton/Clam.

Anyways, here's how it goes. Trollkage flies above the clam's mist, and while Kabuto's perceptions are heavily obscured, Jinton kills him.
 

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Then again, Jinton is faster than sound genjutsu, so how does Kabuto land sound genjutsu first?
Clam is summoned in the same speed that Tayuya's doppelganger is released (if not quicker).
Third Raikage pressurises Kabuto with his speed to prevent Kabuto from casting the sound genjutsu, or even generating the doppelganger in the first place, allowing for Jinton/Clam.

Anyways, here's how it goes. Trollkage flies above the clam's mist, and while Kabuto's perceptions are heavily obscured, Jinton kills him.

Since when is Jinton faster then sound, maybe once it is release. But the charge time gives him enough time to dodge. Clam can do whatever he wants as its the least problem to him. When he is ready he uses snakes to ability to sense through body heat. Plus Muu isn't going to use a combo with any kages or else he will kill them too. Even through Raikage isn't going to stop him from weaving hand seals, as he can react and do it at the same time.
 

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Since when is Jinton faster then sound, maybe once it is release. But the charge time gives him enough time to dodge. Clam can do whatever he wants as its the least problem to him. When he is ready he uses snakes to ability to sense through body heat. Plus Muu isn't going to use a combo with any kages or else he will kill them too. Even through Raikage isn't going to stop him from weaving hand seals, as he can react and do it at the same time.

What? I'm saying prep and execution-effect of Soung genjutsu is longer than prep and execution-effect of Jinton. Kabuto isn't dodging if he wants to use sound genjutsu, so in the case he does dodge, Clam would be set up and have Kabuto under genjutsu. Snakes have chakra pathways as well, so they are no exceptions of clam genjutsu. This isn't IC, so it's doubtful they will do anything about it, as long as victory is ensured. Raikage can still pressurise him heavily with 1, 2, 3 or 4 finger nukite.
 

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What? I'm saying prep and execution-effect of Soung genjutsu is longer than prep and execution-effect of Jinton. Kabuto isn't dodging if he wants to use sound genjutsu, so in the case he does dodge, Clam would be set up and have Kabuto under genjutsu. Snakes have chakra pathways as well, so they are no exceptions of clam genjutsu. This isn't IC, so it's doubtful they will do anything about it, as long as victory is ensured. Raikage can still pressurise him heavily with 1, 2, 3 or 4 finger nukite.

I agree with the execution. Kabuto can definitely dodge and react to jinton as he doesn't need to stand still to use Twin Demon. Clam doesn't trap his mind so what factor do you mean? Snakes way of sensing isn't through chakra though. If it isn't IC then maybe. I think he would go after the one with the most intense chakra. Liquification would render Raikage pressure useless.
 

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Kages win this, especially in a realistic scenario where he starts in base form. Kabuto can't detect Mu, though sword slashes won't do much against liquification. Raikage and Mizukage can pressure Kabuto (Raikage with close combat, Mizukage with Joki Boy) while Mu snipes him off with a surprise jinton from behind.

Kages win high difficulty.
 

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Not sure who I think takes this yet, though Muki Tensei in a forest would be dangerous.​
 

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I agree with the execution. Kabuto can definitely dodge and react to jinton as he doesn't need to stand still to use Twin Demon. Clam doesn't trap his mind so what factor do you mean? Snakes way of sensing isn't through chakra though. If it isn't IC then maybe. I think he would go after the one with the most intense chakra. Liquification would render Raikage pressure useless.

I agree, he can react to a Jinton. It's still a genjutsu which affects the five senses, seeing as normal sensors could only get false locations of the original, in exception of contact sensing. Raikage uses Raiton in all his nukites. Nukite has already demonstrated its superiority to liquefaction in Darui vs Suigetsu, so liquefying is a horrendous idea which would cost him the match.
 

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Sound ginjutsu can be cancelled by biting the lips
Shikamaru broke free of tayua 's sound ginjutsu by breaking his finger
 

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I think kages win this ,with some distraction ,jinton would finish kabuto just like Susan arrows hit kabuto with the help of itachi's distraction
 

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I agree, he can react to a Jinton. It's still a genjutsu which affects the five senses, seeing as normal sensors could only get false locations of the original, in exception of contact sensing. Raikage uses Raiton in all his nukites. Nukite has already demonstrated its superiority to liquefaction in Darui vs Suigetsu, so liquefying is a horrendous idea which would cost him the match.

The snakes are using body heatness, which I think is a form oh physical contact, since they feel its not physical there and go after whats physically there. a mirage isn't going to produce heat from the mirage. Kabuto version of Liqudficaiton is different then Hozi clan. Kabuto uses his own body fluids. I broke it down one time, let me quote:

Step 1: Raiton vs Kabuto​

This jutsu isn't an effective counter to beat Kabuto at all. As Kabuto liquification doesn't come from Hozuki clan. Kabuto stated that he study their bodies and adapt his own. Kabuto stated I "used my own body fluids" as an exception. To clarify even further he stated the context between Suigetsu's and his. [ ] he tells Sasuke, that Suigetsu/Hozuki has the ability to convert his body to water and back again. So by context Kabuto is using biofluids(body water) while Hozuki clan uses water.

So what if its a little different? Well here is why: Raiton isn't natural lighting, meaning it can be manipulated for specific reasons like: Ay (amping speed and focus penetration). So basically just by observing the manga, if we focus on Raiton landing a hit on characters they never electrocute characters unless Suiton or water is being applied. So if Raiton really consulting against body fluids [ ] would electrocute the character. But as you see Orochimaru was fine and even blood was able to spill on Raiton. And of course explains why Onoki was able to ride and touch Ay Raiton shroud. So in the end since Kabuto is using biofluids we can applied it as if it were to land to any character thats not on Suiton or Hozuki clan.

Sound ginjutsu can be cancelled by biting the lips
Shikamaru broke free of tayua 's sound ginjutsu by breaking his finger

Sasuke and Itachi disagrees. Plus why didnt Shikamru bit his lip if it is a counter?
 
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