KABUTO vs UCHIHA BROS (rewritten!)

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Loved it, excellent job. Some of the dialogue was a little strange, but you put a lot of effort into working out Kabuto's abilities and voice.

Thank you! Which lines didn't work for you? Constructive criticism is hella important

If it was the lines where he maniacally laughed and started to crack then yeah, that is a hard thing to write, lil weakness of mine.

 

[Praydara]

Thank you! Which lines didn't work for you? Constructive criticism is hella important

If it was the lines where he maniacally laughed and started to crack then yeah, that is a hard thing to write, lil weakness of mine.

Nah, those were actually some of the best imo! I like when villains have breakdowns and such, and it really worked for Kabuto. I write a lot of Itachi stuff myself, so some of Itachi's dialogue seemed a little wonky. No offense of course, I really loved this, but Itachi seemed a little too casual sometimes, like after Manda II was summoned, he probably would have been more intense about what's going on.

I really liked it, though. Like I said, I'm a writer, so I admire what you put into this. The problem is, as the comments show, NB is unfortunately not the best place to post this kind of thing up. No fault of yours, though.

 

[Chazzi]

Just doesn't really go with the thread really. Take your fanboying elsewhere, this tussle got settled years ago before you joined kiddo haha :')

Yes it does. In this fanfic of yours, Itachi shat on Kabuto. As did he in canon.
Conclusion: Itachi shits on Kabuto.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Yes it does. In this fanfic of yours, Itachi shat on Kabuto. As did he in canon.
Conclusion: Itachi shits on Kabuto.

Thank you for revolutionising Narutobase.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Nah, his control has been weakened. It's been constantly shown that he can decide how much control he can have over a corpse so him at the very end of a long fight with no chakra and desperate wouldn't be able to hold them back.

Better than introducing a new magic BS jutsu taking 10 whole pages of diagrams to explain it and then never seeing it again.

But in his sage mode form, his chakra is always replenishing itself due to the Jugo DNA... So that was a plot hole that you would have created...
Also, Kabuto could have just ended the Edo Tensei of the ones he just summoned, not all of them. And again, he could have brought Madara out as an Edo

 

[Char Aznable]

Kabuto and Sasuke should've been the ones to fight. Itachi and Sasuke was just begging for an asspull to be deployed.

 

[BlacLord™]

If you couldn't see Izanami coming, you obviously have not done your research.

"Deus Ex Machina" and "asspull" are fallacious terms, just a term created by butthurts to excuse something that didn't go their way. Everything comes out of somewhere, and Izanami is no different.

 

[Praydara]

If you couldn't see Izanami coming, you obviously have not done your research.

"Deus Ex Machina" and "asspull" are fallacious terms, just a term created by butthurts to excuse something that didn't go their way. Everything comes out of somewhere, and Izanami is no different.

Izanami was definitely going to be a jutsu since Izanagi was revealed, I agree, but the way it was used, and how it seemed to exist solely for the purpose of dispatching Kabuto just wasn't good writing... in my opinion at least.

When people say 'deus ex machina' or 'asspull', they're giving criticism to a part of the manga they didn't like and felt could be better written. Criticism is an important part of writing and reading. Saying 'it was going to happen anyway' doesn't necessarily excuse what could reasonably be construed as shoddy writing. Wanting Kabuto to have been gotten rid of in a different way, for instance, is a perfectly reasonable criticism.

 

[Char Aznable]

The problem with Izanami is how Kishi explained it through Itachi. Izamai was created by the Uchiha to counter Izanagi. Izanagi is legit OP. You can turn reality into genjutsu and changes something you don't like. However! Those changes only last for 60 seconds and Izanagi can only be safely used ONCE. Resulting in the loss of one eye/sharingan. Izanami forces a person to accept reality by trapping them inside a loop. Pissing away a sharingan to counteract a justu (Izanagi) that only lasts 60 secs with Izanami is ludicrous! No Uchiha would use Izanami with that high a cost.

Izanami was just created to as a plot no jutsu to get Kabuto out of the way and undo Edo Tensei in the cleanest way possible. Dragon Sage Kabuto was too OP and Kishi could neg him without anything but plot or Naruto. And Naruto was busy fighting the Bijuu and Obito atm.

 

[Amaterasu]

NOOOOOOOOO !

Izanami is way better than this ! Op is a fodder and rustled by Izanami's greatness

FODDER !

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

NOOOOOOOOO !

Izanami is way better than this ! Op is a fodder and rustled by Izanami's greatness

FODDER !

Chill

Kabuto needs to lose this fight obvs. You are the first dedicated Izanami fanboy i've seen.

Enjoy your pages of diagrams explaining the thing that you need a degree in bs to understand. loooool I won't tell you otherwise.

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[Bad Touch Yakushi]

If you couldn't see Izanami coming, you obviously have not done your research.

"Deus Ex Machina" and "asspull" are fallacious terms, just a term created by butthurts to excuse something that didn't go their way. Everything comes out of somewhere, and Izanami is no different.

See it coming? A technique that literally has never been introduced, mentioned or used before and was never seen again? You can go all mythology on me as well but I know Japanese mythos haha, Naruto uses mythology and iconography in about as much detail as Neon Genesis Evangelion with the crosses and angels. (Shallowly and with little accuracy) Other than that one time Susanoo battled Oro's 8 headed serpent they're never used how they were and the references fall flat. Literally just pretty names for ambiguously strong techniques Kishi doesn't want to explain.

Dude i'd love Kabuto to lose, he does it all the time. I'm above butt-hurt thank you very much, the second you pick a character like Kabuto as your favourite you kinda take it that you're not going to always win, and why would I want him to?

There were 100 ways to finish off Kabuto. Izanami was one of the cheapest I can imagine from a writer's perspective.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

But in his sage mode form, his chakra is always replenishing itself due to the Jugo DNA... So that was a plot hole that you would have created...
Also, Kabuto could have just ended the Edo Tensei of the ones he just summoned, not all of them. And again, he could have brought Madara out as an Edo

At this point in the manga Madara has broken free of it's control. The Jugo DNA would be a minor alteration yes but I hadn't not thought of it. The second the cave is destroyed he loses that link as it was the cave in this version that he was infused with and giving him the chakra. Also that's what he was trying to do He spent his final few seconds shouting, pleading and got killed right before he could undo their control.

Thanks for reading

 

[Lariatoo]

YouTube brought me here :lol
And I agree with you on one thing and disagree in another...
I agree: Izanami. Asspull of the year.
Disagree: One of the things I liked the most about Itachi on that battle was a trait that many people forget: His empathy. The whole Izanami ploy was also Itachi trying to redeem Kabuto, someone who he identified with his old self.
So to me personally, I would liked to, after the canon fight, after seeing the Bros managing to survive everything he threw at them, Kabuto having a mental breakdown, whitout knowing who he is... And Itachi comes to him, talks to him, forgives him, and convinces him to dispel the Edo Tensei. It would be exactly like canon (with Kabuto replacing Oro as the one who summoned the Hokages with the knowledge of Suigetsu's scroll), Kabuto would have been redeemed and fit within the story...

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

YouTube brought me here :lol
And I agree with you on one thing and disagree in another...
I agree: Izanami. Asspull of the year.
Disagree: One of the things I liked the most about Itachi on that battle was a trait that many people forget: His empathy. The whole Izanami ploy was also Itachi trying to redeem Kabuto, someone who he identified with his old self.
So to me personally, I would liked to, after the canon fight, after seeing the Bros managing to survive everything he threw at them, Kabuto having a mental breakdown, whitout knowing who he is... And Itachi comes to him, talks to him, forgives him, and convinces him to dispel the Edo Tensei. It would be exactly like canon (with Kabuto replacing Oro as the one who summoned the Hokages with the knowledge of Suigetsu's scroll), Kabuto would have been redeemed and fit within the story...

Also gorgeous but you just know you'd have the fickle fans be like: omg itachi learned talk no jutsu he got turned good & we'd have another Nagato sitch on our hands.

My one still shares that connection and Itachi can relate to him, trying to help him but in the end letting him die with the ET because that's what he truly thinks he and him deserve. Sad but...perhaps like a few other villains- beyond saving.

 

[Lariatoo]

Also gorgeous but you just know you'd have the fickle fans be like: omg itachi learned talk no jutsu he got turned good & we'd have another Nagato sitch on our hands.

My one still shares that connection and Itachi can relate to him, trying to help him but in the end letting him die with the ET because that's what he truly thinks he and him deserve. Sad but...perhaps like a few other villains- beyond saving.

You are right about the fans... Complaining about everything...
The thing people forget is that when done right this demonized "talk no jutsu" is great! Look no further than the clímax of the first season with Zabuza and Haku, or with Gaara...
And I just got too invested in Kabuto's story to not see him redeeming himself and coming back to the orphanage...
Call me a idealist or a fool, I don't care. But Kabuto was not beyond salvation...

 

[KesOnFire]

You hate Izanagi cause Kabuto got caught in it

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He got caught in izanami though....rewatch

2 different abilities 2different effects

You should read more would help you.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

You are right about the fans... Complaining about everything...
The thing people forget is that when done right this demonized "talk no jutsu" is great! Look no further than the clímax of the first season with Zabuza and Haku, or with Gaara...
And I just got too invested in Kabuto's story to not see him redeeming himself and coming back to the orphanage...
Call me a idealist or a fool, I don't care. But Kabuto was not beyond salvation...

Clearly, as he was saved. But my version of Kabuto maybe doesn't deserve it and as dark as it is- Kabuto's release was his redemption. He couldn't find or grasp his identity so his reward was to just be his own person in death. Doesn't have to live with himself anymore- freed.

Dark asf but I feel some characters should resolve their issues in different ways.

 

[SonicBoom]

I prefer this ending.

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Next chapter: "Sasuke's true nii-san is...?!?"

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I prefer this ending.

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Next chapter: "Sasuke's true nii-san is...?!?"

W o a h. Next level.