Kabuto is the cause of all our problems..

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Here is why:

Kabuto is the one who summoned Madara in the first place...With Senju DNA at that. Here is a little cause and effect; Madara rendered Hashirama useless and stole his power because he had the Senju DNA implanted in him, otherwise, he would have been unable to steal Hashiramas power or use his jutsus. Secondly, if Kabuto never reanimated Madara, he would not be here and the war would be over right now. Obito had no intentions of bringing back Madara, it was his own goals and selfish desires that drove him, not Madara's revival. Even if Madara was brought back by Obito, the outcome would be much different because Hashirama would've been able to do something, not to mention the other kages could have RAPED Madara had he not had the Senju DNA. All in all, Kabuto is a douche bag...that is all.
 

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Are we really blaming Kabuto?Doesn't matter if Kabuto brought him back or not;Madara was going to be brought back regardless with Hashirama power seeing as he had Hashirama cells within him before he died.If Kabuto didn't bring him back, Obito would have even if it wasn't his goal.You can't forget that Madara had Zetsu watching over Obito the entire time.And when the alliance pulled the bijus out of Obito, Zetsu would have made his move and brought Madara back.There was no way to stop Madara from being brought back because the person who wanted Madara to be the final villian is Kishi, the author.
 

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If you're referring to the Gedo Mazou and all of the Zetsu bodies you are correct. However, had he been reanimated, I do not believe he would have had the vast amount of abilities that he did because Kabuto gave him a huge trump card. Madara even states this himself.
 

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So do you believe if Madara would have been brought back via Zetsu posses obito and forcing him to, which I'm assuming you're implying; That Madara would still be able to solo the first and second hokage, and wipe the floor with the ninja alliance? I think not, because like I said, Kabuto pimped out his new body giving him access to a whole new amount of abilities.
 

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He told hashi that kabuto did it when he took off his armor...
I believe he says someone had the same idea....I believe Madara had implanted the Senju DNA after his battle with Hashirama. To ultimately awaken the Rinnegan. This happened before Kabuto summoned him.
 

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That doesn't make sense. So Tsunade and Tobirama are indirectly the cause of all our problems too since she had the opportunity to kill Kabuto and he invented the jutsu.

Nuff said
 

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I believe he says someone had the same idea....I believe Madara had implanted the Senju DNA after his battle with Hashirama. To ultimately awaken the Rinnegan. This happened before Kabuto summoned him.
Madara said himself that he got hashi's face thanks to kabuto, doesn't change the fact that he had senju dna earlier.
I think the only think that he got thanks to kabuto is the moktoun.
 

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Lol, I never thought about Danzo and Tsunade being a cause...Of course the second hokage is at fault for even creating the impure world resurrection. Then again, I'm sure Orochimaru would've figured it out at some point in time anyway.
 

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Here:

Hmm...maybe Kabuto gave him an extra amount of it idk....but Madara did have Senju DNA before Kabuto summoned him. How else did he awaken the Rinnegan? Create the Zetsu? Or even be cultivating Hashiramas cells?
 

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Hmm...maybe Kabuto gave him an extra amount of it idk....but Madara did have Senju DNA before Kabuto summoned him. How else did he awaken the Rinnegan? Create the Zetsu? Or even be cultivating Hashiramas cells?
If I'm not mistaken you can only awaken the rinnegan when Senju and Uchiha cells meet. He did take cells from Hashirama and end up awakening the rinnegan and making a zetsu army before he died. However, he did not have the capability of performing mokuton and the sage mode(which he obtained from hashirama). I think what Kabuto might have done, is used a zetsu clone as the base body for Madara. We all know Zetsu clones are purely Senju bodies and have mokuton capabilities. This could explain how Madara is able to tap into that ability.
 
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