[Discussion] Juubito > SO6P?

[Brusky]

Juubito isn't directly one place under the woman who obtained the rawest power of the juubi sooo uh No.

 

[-ahhimane-]

LOL, how many reps you got? XD

OT : I agree with the people here except you

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

LOL, how many reps you got? XD

OT : I agree with the people here except you

XD haha, nah I just felt like voicing my opinion, if people don't agree with me, I can't do anything about it.

 

[-ahhimane-]

XD haha, nah I just felt like voicing my opinion, if people don't agree with me, I can't do anything about it.

Same hereeeeeee

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Same hereeeeeee

I think I'll back you up, see how it works.

 

[Ahmed1993]

If we take away "creating the moon" hype, which was illogical to begin with, then Manga hints, point to the fact the SO6P was not as strong as we all believed him to be.

Take a look at this.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

It is the Juubi, as described by Madara, the same Juubi which the SO6P sealed within himself. Now if we assume we've seen all the forms of the Juubi, the only one this resembles is the 1st form.

However as Obito became jinchuriki of the 2nd form and now seems to have control of the final form, is Juubito stronger than SO6P at his peak?

Of course the SO6P had full mastery of the Rinnegan as well as the Creation of All Things jutsu, however if we go by chakra reserves then Juubito clearly has the advantage.


Although I have no evidence, I predict that pre-jinchuriki Sage was similar to the top level of shinobi we have in the current timeline i.e Madara Hashirama Naruto. The manga states something along the lines "to protect the world, the Sage sealed the Juubi within himself". Now we know a shinobi doesn't need to be as strong as the Bijuu he/she is going to seal. E.g Minato and the Kyuubi, Chiyo and the Ichibi etc. If the Sage just went up to the Juubi and sealed him then that would be problem solved. Again I have no evidence but its just a feeling.

I also believe that the story of the Sage creating the moon was untrue, because even the Juubi doesn't have the chakra to support a Chibaku Tensei of that magnitude, and if it did nobody would be able to begin to even think about fighting the Juubi. Please refer to this thread to see why.

You must be registered for see links

Please read before you jump to conclusions about the title

Didn't read but yes Juubi > SO6P , SO6P sealed him and not beat him

 

[Bronze]

SO6P fought the full Juubi that splits mountains, swallows occousain.

Juuobito > Pre Juubi SO6P

Juubi SO6P > Juuobito

 

[narutoblitz]

Sage defeated Juubi and sealed it within himself. Fair to say he is at least on par with Obito, probably beyond him. Remember Juubi is imperfect since Kurama and Bee were never absorbed.

 

[miromiro]

I also believe that the story of the Sage creating the moon was untrue, because even the Juubi doesn't have the chakra to support a Chibaku Tensei of that magnitude, and if it did nobody would be able to begin to even think about fighting the Juubi. Please refer to this thread to see why.

You must be registered for see links

So you don't believe something that was CLEARLY stated in the Manga? Why even believe there was a Sage if you don't believe something like this. The paragraph I'm quoting says itself that Hagoromo was above Juubi, since he had the power to create the moon on his death-bed, unlike Juubi.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

So you don't believe something that was CLEARLY stated in the Manga? Why even believe there was a Sage if you don't believe something like this. The paragraph I'm quoting says itself that Hagoromo was above Juubi, since he had the power to create the moon on his death-bed, unlike Juubi.

I'm not disputing manga fact, I'm merely suggesting possibility that Kishi intended for the story to be exaggerated. I mean if the Moon was created from the Earths crust, where is the moon sized crater? Also if you opened that thread you can see how much power it was required to form the moon.

 

[Transcendence]

I am inclined to agree. I don't see how anyone can feasibly solo any form past the first form (Besides Hashirama, Edo Madara and Rikudou). Second form and beyond if far too destructive and beyond controllable measures. Second form Juubi is and was able to use the Earth as a medium to attack by using Tenpenchi. A continent buster doesn't get defeated so easily. Seeing as how we know that the Final Form is the God Tree, it's literally impossible for Rikudou to have fought it since it was clearly shown to be the cyclops version which is the First Form.

Good thread.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

I am inclined to agree. I don't see how anyone can feasibly solo any form past the first form (Besides Hashirama, Edo Madara and Rikudou). Second form and beyond if far too destructive and beyond controllable measures. Second form Juubi is and was able to use the Earth as a medium to attack by using Tenpenchi. A continent buster doesn't get defeated so easily. Seeing as how we know that the Final Form is the God Tree, it's literally impossible for Rikudou to have fought it since it was clearly shown to be the cyclops version which is the First Form.

Good thread.

Haha thanks your about the only person who does.

 

[Transcendence]

Haha thanks your about the only person who does.

It seems people are unable to read beyond context and look past blatant statements. The depicted picture was not the Shinju and rather more reminiscent of the first form of the Juubi that we've seen.

 

[jt1891]

It's a bit of a stretch to assume that because the Shinju assumed the form of the Ten-Tails, that it lost a significant portion of it's power. In it's original form, the Shinju was simply a tree of titanic proportions. If it wanted to reclaim it's chakra, it could hardly do so as a stationary object. So it assumed the 'beast' form to hunt down Kaguya and Hagoromo.

We also know that it morphed into it's second form at the very least as it used the Tenpenchii at some point during it's rampage. Otherwise there is no reason for the Tailed Beasts to be aware of the technique.

Another thing I'd like to point out. The Sage could have subdued the Ten-Tails regardless. He was the inventor of the Tengai Shinsei, otherwise known as the meteor technique. Frankly, I doubt even the Ten-Tails could escape that jutsu unscathed, especially if the Sage had bound the beast beforehand.

 

[D R E X]

Didn't read but yes Juubi > SO6P , SO6P sealed him and not beat him

...............................

 

[miromiro]

It seems people are unable to read beyond context and look past blatant statements. The depicted picture was not the Shinju and rather more reminiscent of the first form of the Juubi that we've seen.

No, it just seems the two of you can't simply accept that Rikudou was able to solo the most powerful form of the Juubi.