Trollasaur
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He was dying of old age, and he didn't use COAT to make the moon, he use rinnegan I believe.
Juubito is DBZ level
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Flava11298
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Can you prove this? Juubi was able to keep up with BM Naruto, and Krillin's speed is nothing special. Krillin loses in hand to hand combat simply due to the sheer body strength of Juubito. If he kept great distance, he MAY have a chance. Even still, a destructo disc/kamehameha would simply be blocked by a shield of chakra that he can mould (like how he blocked amaterasu)
I could ask the same thing. What makes you think that Juubito will be able to block a Moon busting+ attack? Moon buster>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FRS. Ki-blast spam alone is enough to destroy that Chakra wall. BM Naruto? Krillin is way faster than that. BM Naruto's speed is special in the NarutoVerse because he's one of the fastest characters.
The reason why Krillin's speed isn't anything special in Dbzverse is because of the powerscaling. There are alot of characters who are faster then him. Dbz powerscaling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Narutoverse.
This only proves that if BM Naruto was to be put in the DBverse he would get blitzed by the ones at the near bottom of the powerscaling. Krillin is a martial artist and has alot more fighting experience then Juubito. Krillin wins in HH combat aswell. Final form Frieza (Planet buster) from frieza saga could take out Juubito. End Krillin>Final form Frieza (Frieza saga).
Comparing Juubito to characters from a verse where planet busting is a child's play is taking overhyping to a whole nother level. Juubito can't even bypass Krillin's Ki aura. He has little chance of winning.
Cell is Mach 30,000+
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Precisely, no one in naruto is reacting to this level of speed, even krillin who's triple digit Mach lol .....naruto characters are hypersonic+ at best with some having massive hypersonic reaction times .....goku was at least Mach 40,000+ by the buu saga and known to have sub relativistic reactions....speed blitz=all over for NV
Flava11298
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Again, zero evidence to prove your statements. When has Krillin shown a great display of speed? Naruto has, for example deflecting five Bijuu bombs by running past them. And don't say "but they're only mountain busting, they dont destroy planets" because in DBZ most of the attacks are not powered up in attempt to destroy planets, but krillin can't deflect them just by running past them. From the evidence i have, they're approximately the same speed, if not, Naruto is faster simply by feats. You also stated that a simple ki blast would break the chakra wall. Amaterasu, which burned through a solid wall in an instant couldn't even put a scratch on the chakra wall. Nothing has ever broken through it, so your argument is invalid. And again, about planet busting, it would take at least a minute for krillin to power up a planet busting Kamehameha wave, and in that time Krillin is concentrating his power, Obito would already have attacked. Saying that Krillin can destroy planets is just not enough to guarantee his win.
He was going against the saibamens who were at Raditz level and Raditz was calc'd at being Mach 70 and above and he was a complete fodder back then ....and after that regarding the namek saga he was fighting against recoom (reacting to some of his attacks) who was calc'd at being massively hypersonic (triple digit Mach) ....
Raditz was able to easily bust a mountain with a normal level of attack
What was impressive about his speed? He tanked multiple bijuu damas and a blitz from the Ay who's barely even Mach 20..and if u know how cal'cing works many sites have calculated naruto's speed and he doesn't make it above Mach 25.....he's nowhere faster ....hence even kid goku was reacting to lighting ...
U say an attack that could burn through a wall is impressive? And this moon busting attacks we're talking about, how can u be sure attacks on a continental level and moon level will be countered.....Ame only burned a solid wall and was countered by a chakra wall ...how is that impressive against moon busting attacks ....the moon is pretty big compared to a wall
It didnt take Raditz a second to prepare an attack that busted a mountain....regarding krillins power level afterwards in the series he can prepare attacks on even higher level in a minimum amount of time..moreover even an island level or continent level attack takes care of obito ...planet level isn't even neccarasy. Obito at most has Island level durability via powerscaling, any attack beyond that level shits on him.
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That's why Juubito solos DBZ Characters..... With that black orb liquid which he can use in mere seconds. I believe he can beat SSJ4 Goku simply because it takes goku 20 chapters to power up where as Juubito can 1 panel black liquid own him XD
Flava11298
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lool, Raditz destroyed a mountain in an instant but Juubi destroyed a faraway city in an instant. And about the chakra wall, the moon is just a big ball of rock. Anyone can break rock, but NO ONE has broken through the chakra wall, there is no proof it can be broken at all. And when i said that the DBZ attacks aren't powered up in attempt to destroy planets, I didn't mean that they can't destroy planets, I mean they just hold back. I meant I haven't seen Krillin do something like deflect five huge balls of energy, or flick one away with his finger, like Juubi did. Juubito just would not give Krillin the opportunity to fire a moon busting attack.
Also, just out of curiosity, how do you calculate the speed of animated characters? It seems very inacurate...
Actually no. There are many calculations supporting my statements. Naruto isn't even mach 1000. Naruto and Juubi are only Hypersonic. Krillin achieved that Pre-22nd Budokai.
Pretty much every saga. Whenever he fights he shows speeds faster then Naruto. Every Z fighter has done it in every arc. But just so that you won't ask me this same question again.
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Here you see Ginyu saga Krillin and Gohan blitzing Guldo and the whole Ginyu force. Ginyu saga was near the beginning of DBZ and even then he was faster then BM Naruto.
Naruto has, for example deflecting five Bijuu bombs by running past them.
You want to talk about running speed?
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I never said a simple ki blast. I said Ki-blast spam. Ki-Blasts travel quite fast and a spam could easily destroy the chakra wall. Amaterasu burned through a wall? a Ki-blast has the destructive Capacity to destroy atleast a large building. A wave full of building busters vs a Chakra wall... The wall gets destroyed. Not to mention that Krillin can bust a MOON! A small Chakra wall is no problem.
. Actually i wasn't talking about Krilling using Planet busting attacks on Juubi. I was talking about moon busting attacks with don't take much effort. (Raditz mountain+). Wall buster Amaterasu vs Moon buster Kamehameha...
While Krillin can blitz from one place to another with little effort and no delay, Naruto can't. Anyways. Juubi can't even bypass Krillin's Ki.
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In terms of powerscaling it works like this my friend .....town level ---->smal city level----->city level------>mountain level then it's island level .....it's how DC is calc'd
A rock that's as big as one fourth the diameter compared to earth ...and Roshi with a power level 100+ easily ****ed it lol
Neither would krillin, he's fast. And how does obito harm krillin lol? He has moon level+ durability according to power scaling.
If you've seen the original dragon ball when goku and krillin were fighting they pulled off so many moves in just an instant ...he was already above hypersonic back then..
It's done on on many sites based on characters quantifiable speed feats. lounge movie codec, OBD, comicvince, animevice Etc ....the dbz is damn fast compared to OP, bleach and naruto due to having sub-relatavistic reactions speeds and quantiple digit Mach speeds ....the HST are usually comparable in terms of speeds but dbz is on a whole other league.
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RasenUchihaChaos
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true but these girls kick his hiny from 1 world to another
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i feel so sad now when watching and reading seemed like they were super fast strong powerhouses and tghen they could turn inot awakened beings regenerate supress their presence idk man seems to me some1 just doesnt want claymore up there
Flava11298
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And how would Krillin hurt Obito? You keep saying about moon busting attacks, but I have said that Obito would attack him before he was able to fire it. And you can't say that Obito wouldn't be able to hurt him, he has dozens of weapons, attack and defense, in his arsenal, and simple punches can hurt Krillin. Also, Those speed measurements are CRAZY unreliable. There is no possible way of calculating the speed of an animated character that doesn't even exist, using their over exaggerated power levels as a way to calculate speed. There is no way we can really calculate who is faster, they're from two different anime/mangas. Therefore you definitely can not simply say Krillin speed blitzes.
The best DC in claymore verse is town level at most and not to mention they don't have anything other then straight old fashioned fighting, no hax and other shits, basically all physical combat.....the only thing impressive in claymore is speed .......and average claymores have superhuman durability while awakened and high tier characters have Multi city block durability ....it's not all impressive verse power wise ...
It's often pitted against berserk usually ..
U didnt even correctly read what I stated previously? :| I said, Krillin has moon level+ plus DURABILITY via powerscaling, he can withstand an attack that is beyond moon level ..Obito ain't harming him.....obito is like city level to island level at most.
With someone who can withstand and tank moon level attacks......NO!
There are many ways to calc, anime speed is calc'd by many sites using Pixel scaling ......if you've seen the original dragon ball they were already faster then the eye+ and could pull many moves simultaneously in seconds ...
Flava11298
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krillin was clearly harmed by piccolo's punches, and imperfect Cells. Moon+durability? I'm pretty sure a punch could only bust a small building or a big wall, yet it hurt Krillin. Power scaling is packed with flaws, so you can not rest assured that krillin has moon+durability anyways. And seriously, you have to let go of the speed calc thing. Using pixel scaling works out how fast the animations move, but some anime writers like to make their fights look faster for the interest of their fans, even when they aren't that fast (e.g in DragonBall when it looked like Krillin ran 100m in 3 seconds, Roshi said it was 8-9 seconds. Pixel scaling would read it as 3, but it is actually 8-9 seconds) I mean, Minato would be one of the fastest in the DB verse which you can't deny since he has the yellow flash technique and FTG which enables him to teleport from country to country IN AN INSTANT. Even after hearing this, ignorant people lack common sense and say things like "No, the DB verse is on another level, chaotzu speed blitzes".
