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[Brooks]

The uchiha's had no right to try to take over the leaf.

The Village had proof of this, Itachi was the informant and was the person who most likely brought it to their attention in the first place.

Yes, the Uchihas didn't have a right to take over Konoha except the part where Konoha pushed the Uchihas from the Village then didn't give them any power in the Village.

Facts

1.The Uchihas helped build Konoha with the Senjus, but they didn't get a god damn thanks for it.

2.Chose Hashirama to become the Hokage instead of Madara who was their leader....even after they proved they were loyal to Konoha the Village fuked up the Uchihas again.

 

[Exaar]

Do we have proof of their plan? nope. Do we know that they were aggressive? nope... Why? Because Fugaku didn't even try to fight back against his own son.. He simply gave up ....

WRONG. Only the 4 konoha leaders knew about this. And that guy who brought information to them was a 13 year old naive guy who now thinks he could've changed something if he had told Sasuke about it back then.

Uchiha protect the village for a long time mate. But were segregated because of a assumption.. its basically if California was to be put on a lockdown.. woudl you expect the people of California to sit quiet? uh no why? Because its their country also. .. Hell even Sarutobi felt the same way. And notice how they old lady geezer got mad when she got the idea that they might try to take some political power ;].

We don't need proof.
Itachi siding with the village and being a double agent if proof enough.

Itachi's Age hasn't anything to do with it, He loved his clan and his village, he wouldn't of Fed False/incorrect info for no good reason, Knowing it would get his clan killed.

There was many ways in that the uchiha clan could of Gained the trust of their village back, Of course it would take time. But they chose the path of Plotting against the Village.
If the Uchiha leaders would've actually sat down with Hiruzen and talk i'm sure they would've gotten alot further than they did with their Plot. Especially since Hiruzen was a very reasonable man and would of given them the chance to redeem their-selves.

The clan put their own needs/desires above that of the village/country they swore to protect as leaf shinobi.

Yes, the Uchihas didn't have a right to take over Konoha except the part where Konoha pushed the Uchihas from the Village then didn't give them any power in the Village.

Big deal.

Power?, What do they need power for, I don't see any other clan demanding power because they fight to protect their villages

 

[KingHashirama]

Yes, the Uchihas didn't have a right to take over Konoha except the part where Konoha pushed the Uchihas from the Village then didn't give them any power in the Village.

Facts

1.The Uchihas helped build Konoha with the Senjus, but they didn't get a god damn thanks for it.

2.Chose Hashirama to become the Hokage instead of Madara who was their leader....even after they proved they were loyal to Konoha the Village fuked up the Uchihas again.

I will have to correct you on something

1. They did get a thank you..
2. Hashirama / Tobirama treated them as equals.. Tobirama making them the police can be looked at 2 ways.. as a sign of trust or what Obito said. But he did give them power..

So the segregation occurred after Minato died.

As far as we know, the only thing the leaf did was segregate and be suspicious of them, nothing more. That doesnt warrant a coup detat that would without a doubt lead to civil war. The leaf had nothing to do with Itachi, only the elders (mostly just Danzo) did. However you look at it, Sasuke wanting to destroy the entire leaf village along with its inhabitants cannot be justified.

Segregation is nothing? dude that means your having your rights taken away.. they took political power from the uchiha.. while the other clans still had some.. (It can assumed atleast). Sarutobi wouldn't have let a civil war happen my friend. Also, lets observe the situation.

1. Obito want the Uchiha dead
2. Danzo wanted the Uchiha dead
3. Itachi killed the uchiha to fullfill both. O-o

Sasuke is evil mate. ^_^.

 

[Elementalist]

Do we have proof of their plan? nope. Do we know that they were aggressive? nope... Why? Because Fugaku didn't even try to fight back against his own son.. He simply gave up ....

WRONG. Only the 4 konoha leaders knew about this. And that guy who brought information to them was a 13 year old naive guy who now thinks he could've changed something if he had told Sasuke about it back then.

Uchiha protect the village for a long time mate. But were segregated because of a assumption.. its basically if California was to be put on a lockdown.. woudl you expect the people of California to sit quiet? uh no why? Because its their country also. .. Hell even Sarutobi felt the same way. And notice how they old lady geezer got mad when she got the idea that they might try to take some political power ;].

The thing is we DON"T KNOW if it was a coup or not. We simply don't. Now what can be analyzed is that when Itachi brought them the news.. it was about Uchiha going for a revolution... but the old lady said if by that Revolution they want political power BACK.. then they will be treated as traitors.

Also, if they really were against the village.. then Fugaku would've done something Itachi. He already knew that Itachi was being a double spy.

true, true. We do have very little knowledge of the actual event, but going off of uchiha nature from what I've seen so far, I believe that it was a coup to gain power. Not saying your wrong or right, just saying that I differ in opinion.

 

[Brooks]

We don't need proof.
Itachi siding with the village and being a double agent if proof enough.

Itachi's Age hasn't anything to do with it, He loved his clan and his village, he wouldn't of Fed False/incorrect info for no good reason, Knowing it would get his clan killed.

There was many ways in that the uchiha clan could of Gained the trust of their village back, Of course it would take time. But they chose the path of Plotting against the Village.
If the Uchiha leaders would've actually sat down with Hiruzen and talk i'm sure they would've gotten alot further than they did with their Plot. Especially since Hiruzen was a very reasonable man and would of given them the chance to redeem their-selves.

The clan put their own needs/desires above that of the village/country they swore to protect as leaf shinobi.



Big deal.

Power?, What do they need power for, I don't see any other clan demanding power because they fight to protect their villages

No, i don't mean power as power, but power as having a saying in the Village....big deal you say? while thanks to power, the Senjus became Hokage after Hokage while noon of the Uchihas became Hokage even after all they did for Konoha.

Did the other Clans build Konoha by starting from the ground? no, so why would they have a power in a place they didn't build?

 

[Exaar]

No, i don't mean power as power, but power as having a saying in the Village....big deal you say? while thanks to power, the Senjus became Hokage after Hokage while noon of the Uchihas became Hokage even after all they did for Konoha.

Hiruzen never wanted the uchiha clan to be wiped out, he wanted to talk with them, Giving them a saying in the matter. Tobirama gave them the police force.
Yet they still wern't happy.

As i said, The uchiha could of earned the villages trust back, Kept on fighting for their village, But they didn't, They chose to betray the village.
Not only were their selfish reasons putting the Village at risk, But putting the whole fire country at risk.

 

[Powermill]

They just never got the chance to actually betray the village thanks to Itachi.

 

[Champ]

They were always justified, Co founded Konoha then put in a corner. They should've listen to Madara from the beginning and they'd still be alive.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

We don't need proof.
Itachi siding with the village and being a double agent if proof enough.

Itachi's Age hasn't anything to do with it, He loved his clan and his village, he wouldn't of Fed False/incorrect info for no good reason, Knowing it would get his clan killed.

There was many ways in that the uchiha clan could of Gained the trust of their village back, Of course it would take time. But they chose the path of Plotting against the Village.
If the Uchiha leaders would've actually sat down with Hiruzen and talk i'm sure they would've gotten alot further than they did with their Plot. Especially since Hiruzen was a very reasonable man and would of given them the chance to redeem their-selves.

The clan put their own needs/desires above that of the village/country they swore to protect as leaf shinobi.



Big deal.

Power?, What do they need power for, I don't see any other clan demanding power because they fight to protect their villages

Actually Danzo didnt give Hiruzen the chance to talk to the Uchiha.

 

[Brooks]

Hiruzen never wanted the uchiha clan to be wiped out, he wanted to talk with them, Giving them a saying in the matter. Tobirama gave them the police force.
Yet they still wern't happy.

As i said, The uchiha could of earned the villages trust back, Kept on fighting for their village, But they didn't, They chose to betray the village.
Not only were their selfish reasons putting the Village at risk, But putting the whole fire country at risk.

Why should the Uchihas have to earn the Village trust when in fact the Village broke that trust between them in the first place.

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^The Uchihas earning the Villages trust.

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^Thanks to the Uchihas being a trustworthy, the rest of the nation did become one Village.

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^The Uchiha Clan supporting Hashirama to become the next the Hokage and turning their backs on Madara(who wanted to start a war against Konoha).

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Yet, again the Uchihas proving that they are loyal to the Village by call Madara "a hungry power".

This proves the Uchihas were loyal from the started, but yet you want them to earn a trust that Konoha and the Senjus broke from the start?

 

[shelke]

The uchiha's had no right to try to take over the leaf.

The Village had proof of this, Itachi was the informant and was the person who most likely brought it to their attention in the first place.

Your justifications always reek of jingoism, ignoring all facts.

- Uchiha and Senju clan formed the village; there was no Konoho before it. Both of the clans were the Village's elder clans. Get your facts straight first.

- Tobirama had no right to tip the power in his clan's favour and segregate them. Your 'police force' point is also laughable, and you make it sound as if the village belonged to the Senju clan and they did some sort of favour by handing out a cornering job to a fellow founding clan.

- An Equal share in the country's power was their inherit right by default. No one can and should deny this given their equal share in founding the village.

- A coup was the most justified act against pro-senju government that betrayed the Uchihas on whims who even forsake their clairvoyant leader for their clan's head, Hashirama. They just wanted the founding clan out of the way, and deserved to taken down for their scheming.

- AS for your first point, then the pro-senju lobby or Tobirama had zero right to horde all the power.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Tobi had a talk with Danzo, somethings fishy

 

[Gunsmoke258]

probably didn't help that Obito set Kurama on Konoha with a Sharingan genjutsu.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

The planning of a coup against the village itself is an act of betrayal and it was bound to happen as concluded by Shisui.

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Furthermore regarding Uchiha's segregation it had to be done as Tobirama had no choice but to take action due to Madara's revolt against the Hokage and the village. After Madara's attempt, the Uchiha's were needed to be kept in check to prevent any other Uchiha from repeating what Madara did.

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Because of this little bit of history it was only logical for them to be blamed again after the Kyuubi attacked the village since what else apart from the eye of an Uchiha could control the beast?

The Uchihas were risking a civil war that was sure to escalate further and endanger the Leaf as a vulnerable target by surrounding countries, resulting the deaths of many. Therefore the elimination of the Uchihas was a must.

 

[Omnipotent]

Yes, the Uchihas didn't have a right to take over Konoha except the part where Konoha pushed the Uchihas from the Village then didn't give them any power in the Village.

Facts

1.The Uchihas helped build Konoha with the Senjus, but they didn't get a god damn thanks for it.

2.Chose Hashirama to become the Hokage instead of Madara who was their leader....even after they proved they were loyal to Konoha the Village fuked up the Uchihas again.

1. Every Uchiha was considered elite, even Obito when he was an idiot. 2. Maybe because Hashirama > Madara

 

[Omnipotent]

Your justifications always reek of jingoism, ignoring all facts.

- Uchiha and Senju clan formed the village; there was no Konoho before it. Both of the clans were the Village's elder clans. Get your facts straight first.

- Tobirama had no right to tip the power in his clan's favour and segregate them. Your 'police force' point is also laughable, and you make it sound as if the village belonged to the Senju clan and they did some sort of favour by handing out a cornering job to a fellow founding clan.

- An Equal share in the country's power was their inherit right by default. No one can and should deny this given their equal share in founding the village.

- A coup was the most justified act against pro-senju government that betrayed the Uchihas on whims who even forsake their clairvoyant leader for their clan's head, Hashirama. They just wanted the founding clan out of the way, and deserved to taken down for their scheming.

- AS for your first point, then the pro-senju lobby or Tobirama had zero right to horde all the power.

Since when was Konoha a country? A democracy?

 

[shelke]

Since when was Konoha a country? A democracy?

In the manga, the villages equate either countries/nations or capitals. Hence the generalized term. By the way, is that all you found wrong in the post? It should be obvious what I am trying to say.

 

[Brooks]

1. Every Uchiha was considered elite, even Obito when he was an idiot. 2. Maybe because Hashirama > Madara

1.Wrong, there is no Uchiha like Obito in history...Obito is the version of Naruto in the Uchiha.

2.Lol, what does that have to do with becoming Hokage?...you have Tsunade as a Hokage, but Naruto would destroy her in a fight.

 

[KingHashirama]

1.Wrong, there is no Uchiha like Obito in history...Obito is the version of Naruto in the Uchiha.

2.Lol, what does that have to do with becoming Hokage?...you have Tsunade as a Hokage, but Naruto would destroy her in a fight.

1. We haven't seen all the uchihas
2. Tsunade was the strongest when she became hokage.

 

[Thundercles]

We don't need proof.
Itachi siding with the village and being a double agent if proof enough.

Itachi's Age hasn't anything to do with it, He loved his clan and his village, he wouldn't of Fed False/incorrect info for no good reason, Knowing it would get his clan killed.

There was many ways in that the uchiha clan could of Gained the trust of their village back, Of course it would take time. But they chose the path of Plotting against the Village.
If the Uchiha leaders would've actually sat down with Hiruzen and talk i'm sure they would've gotten alot further than they did with their Plot. Especially since Hiruzen was a very reasonable man and would of given them the chance to redeem their-selves.

The clan put their own needs/desires above that of the village/country they swore to protect as leaf shinobi.



Big deal.

Power?, What do they need power for, I don't see any other clan demanding power because they fight to protect their villages

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