Uzumaki Macho
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Who wins? Imo Team 2 takes this high diff. Doflamingo>=Jozu. Vergo>=Ace. Jozu>>Vergo. Doflamingo>>Ace.
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[Discussion] Jozu and Ace vs. Doflamingo and Vergo
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I don't know, but watch Ace fapboys come here and come up with bullshit like how Ace beats both of them neg diff
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High difficulty means it can go both ways.....
In saying so my opinion is that it can go both ways XD now that we are speaking in term of a timeskip, we should consider that Jouze and Ace who are top tier pirated to posses Haki much like many of the top tiers within the new world, in saying so both teams would be on equal ground. But In all honesty I believe team 1 would have the advantage due to ace possessing the Mera Meta no mi, which in all truth is one of the most powerful devil fruits.
In saying so my opinion is that it can go both ways XD now that we are speaking in term of a timeskip, we should consider that Jouze and Ace who are top tier pirated to posses Haki much like many of the top tiers within the new world, in saying so both teams would be on equal ground. But In all honesty I believe team 1 would have the advantage due to ace possessing the Mera Meta no mi, which in all truth is one of the most powerful devil fruits.
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High difficulty means it can go both ways.....
In saying so my opinion is that it can go both ways XD now that we are speaking in term of a timeskip, we should consider that Jouze and Ace who are top tier pirated to posses Haki much like many of the top tiers within the new world, in saying so both teams would be on equal ground. But In all honesty I believe team 1 would have the advantage due to ace possessing the Mera Meta no mi, which in all truth is one of the most powerful devil fruits.
In saying so my opinion is that it can go both ways XD now that we are speaking in term of a timeskip, we should consider that Jouze and Ace who are top tier pirated to posses Haki much like many of the top tiers within the new world, in saying so both teams would be on equal ground. But In all honesty I believe team 1 would have the advantage due to ace possessing the Mera Meta no mi, which in all truth is one of the most powerful devil fruits.
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1. Extreme diff means it can go both ways, not high diff.
2. The Mera Mera isn't even in the top 5 logias.
Because then Team 1 would win low diff.
Ikr they are worse than Zorotards.
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1) High difficulty/extreme is practically the same thing :/
2) Mera Mera is considered one of the top 5.... Even if not, it is number 6 and still pretty powerful.
2) Mera Mera is considered one of the top 5.... Even if not, it is number 6 and still pretty powerful.
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No they aren't.
Here are the rankings for Logias imo
12. Beta Beta no Mi
11. Nura Numa no Mi
10. Yuki Yuki no Mi
9. Moku Moku no Mi
8. Gasu Gasu no Mi
7. Suna Suna no Mi/Mera Mera no Mi
6. Mera Mera no Mi/Suna Suna no Mi
5. Goro Goro no Mi
4. Hie Hie no Mi
3. Magu Magu no Mi
2. Pika Pika no Mi
1. Yami Yami no Mi(only against DF users, its rather weak against non DF users)
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This is how I see it going down. Doflamingo will restrain Ace and Jozu's movements. Ace will probably deform and reform to escape the binding strings. Once he does, he'll probably attack and be intercepted by Vergo.
If Ace has shown anything, it's that people with Vergo's fighting style are a bad-match up for him. A single blow from Teach's bare hand was enough to stun Ace and send him flying. Like Teach said, it's been a while since Ace was hit physically, he isn't quite used to being touched. The way I see it, Vergo would target Ace. A person who uses devastating physical blows isn't good for Ace. Teach's chop almost broke Ace's neck, Onitake could probably do the trick. A full-body Koka coupled with Vergo's speed which has been shown to be ahead of Ace's, and Ace should lose to Vergo mid to high diff.
As for Jozu, this is where the true trouble lies. Doflamingo has the ability to completely halt Jozu, and Jozu was helpless. If Jozu has left any parts of himself uncovered with diamond, a few successive Overheats or Full Brights, especially to the face, could probably finish him off. Or just have Jozu attack Ace and have the two of them duke it out.
If Ace has shown anything, it's that people with Vergo's fighting style are a bad-match up for him. A single blow from Teach's bare hand was enough to stun Ace and send him flying. Like Teach said, it's been a while since Ace was hit physically, he isn't quite used to being touched. The way I see it, Vergo would target Ace. A person who uses devastating physical blows isn't good for Ace. Teach's chop almost broke Ace's neck, Onitake could probably do the trick. A full-body Koka coupled with Vergo's speed which has been shown to be ahead of Ace's, and Ace should lose to Vergo mid to high diff.
As for Jozu, this is where the true trouble lies. Doflamingo has the ability to completely halt Jozu, and Jozu was helpless. If Jozu has left any parts of himself uncovered with diamond, a few successive Overheats or Full Brights, especially to the face, could probably finish him off. Or just have Jozu attack Ace and have the two of them duke it out.
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I don't see how the Goro Goro no Mi is inferior to the Magu Magu no Mi. Magu was superior to Mera because Magu burns even hotter than fire. Goro would burn hotter than Magu, as lightning is vastly hotter than the surface of the sun itself, the Goro Goro no Mi should be superior to the Magu Magu no Mi.
It was also shown that the Moku Moku no Mi stalemated with the Mera Mera no Mi.
Hie Hie no Mi also stalemated with the Magu Magu no Mi. Also, aren't you the one that goes around saying fire>ice?
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blood hound
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I'm just goin to wait here to you actually realize that you put Mera Mera No Mi in 6/7 position
Uzumaki Macho
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1. Then why didn't Luffy get melted? Oda clearly didn't make lightning that hot in his manga.
2. Even though they stalemate, the Mera Mera performs better against other people usually.
3. Hie Hie no Mi does better than the Mera Mera no Mi against everyone else, its just that fire is its weakness since it cant be frozen. The Gomu Gomu no Mi beat the Goro Goro no Mi, but that doesn't make it a superior DF.
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your whole argument tends to falter.... People/fans can not compare one character from an early part of the manga/anime to that of the new. For example, your implying that Ace and Jouz wouldn't have Haki, or rather a Low Powered Haki due to us not seeing them preform Haki at the time when they were shown..... Truth is however, everyone at that time didn't poses Haki and only a hand full did. It was mentioned a fee times before time skip but never really implemented into the show till after the time skip.
In saying so one must regard that ace and Jouz who are powerful high tier pirates should hold/have Haki. Thus meaning both would have haki powerful/strong enough to aid them in fighting Vergo and flamingo, to which would be a 50% chance for both teams wining. You are also forgotten that Vergo had a struggle with Smoker, and unlike smoke, FIRE!!! Burns once in contact!!!!
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Oda doesn't move with psychics....... Lightning is the most powerful element the world and in all honesty it is the strongest logia and devil fruit within one piece. Enel should have melted luffy by a simple lighting shock.... But that didn't happen now did it :/
Uzumaki Macho
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Ace does not have Haki. In Paradise he didn't learn it since he was a Logia and no one would hit him. In the New World he was a WB Pirate and if someone attacked him then they would have to face the WB Pirates. He never needed to learn it. As seen with Red Hawk, CoA provides resistance to fire.
That's exactly what I just said, why are you arguing over it with me?
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There are actually two answers to number one.
1A. The same reasons human beings don't get melted when struck by lightning IRL. Lightning strikes so quickly, it doesn't last enough to melt human beings, but the heat is still felt. This basically means lightning bolts created by the Goro Goro no Mi can hurt Akainu, but not vaporize him.
1B. The Gomu Gomu no Mi offers complete immunity to the Goro Goro no Mi and it's properties when the two interact directly. What this means is, the consumer of the Gomu Gomu no Mi is COMPLETELY immune to the Goro Goro no Mi's effects when the lightning touches the Gomu consumer's body directly, including the heat. This, however, can be circumvented by using a medium. Heat, being a form of energy, is never lost or created, but transferred, so if the Goro Goro no Mi heats up something, such as Enel's golden staff, then the Gomu consumer can be affected by it because the heat of the Goro Goro no Mi was transferred into the gold, making it the gold's heat now, which Luffy isn't immune to.
2. That makes sense.
3. The Hie Hie no Mi can reach below zero temperatures in an instant. Add into the sheer volume of ice that can be created, the ice would snuff out the fire by dropping to temperature too low for ice to be sustained. It doesn't need to freeze the fire.
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Humans don't get melted because they compose liquid and we are made of Sand, it's got nothing to do with "because it's quick". Many people who were hit with lighting have sever burns to such is considered worse than sitting one self with fire and gasoline as the accelerater.
Rubber no matter how powerful, thick and large would melt in a simple High powered volt