You're switching the scenario of a Sharingan and Rinnegan. In either case, you yourself are trying to define the phrase "full power". You imply it means the maximum power, which would be Perfect Susano'o. It would however mean "full" as in to have filled, also known as all powers. Obviously it'd be impossible for one to use the left eye's abilities with the right.
Underlined is not only an assumption, it goes against the context nor does it make any sense whatsoever. Madara's literal words were "full potential". Literally has nothing to do with the number of abilities. "Full" doesn't refer to a filled cup when used in the statement "Full Power". Full Power=Strongest Power. That simple.
Madara stated his full power was PS. Clear example.
I'm very confused right now, you got them all right but in the last text you jumped from A to B. So apparently we are talking about what Obito referred to? Because I wasn't talking about Obito, but what Madara said. If you didn't understand my point, Obito
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Although Madara implied he was talking about his Sharingan, Madara clearly corrected Obito when he said ''The Sharingan shows it's full power when the right eye and left eye are together'' and Madara said ''No... not Sharingan, but Rinnegan''. So in this context, Madara meant: ''The Rinnegan shows it's full power when the right eye and left eye are together''.
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Hence the ''You said...'', referring to the moment in cave, chapter 602. And Obito corrects Madara, saying ''No, I meant this'', referring to Kamui and not even Susanoo.
I don't know how I can explain this better, because it was pretty obvious to me from the start.
-Yes. Obito referred to Madara's statement when he said that you need both Sharingan to unleash their true power.
-Not sure where the "Madara implied he was talking about his sharingan part" came from when there was no implication. It was an outright statement.
-They are talking about Sharingan.
-He points to his right eye. (Sharingan)
-Says he needs a left eye (Sharingan)
-Says that the reason for that is because both eyes together unleashes their true potential.
-Madara did "correct" Obito, but he clearly didn't do it in the way you are saying he did. He didn't correct him by saying that Rinnegan shows it's true power when both eyes are together, not the Sharingan. He corrected him by saying that the eye in question at the moment is the Rinnegan, not the Sharingan.
Not sure why you are deliberately changing up the quote here. He stated "No, it's not a Sharingan, it's a Rinnegan". Which further proves my point.
1. Madara tells Obito he'll get his left Rinnegan eye back.
2. Obito then replies by asking him if he's interested, and then tells him that the Sharingan shows it's true power when both eyes are together.
3. Madara, who was talking about Rinnegan from the start, tells Obito that it's not a Sharingan, that it's a Rinnegan. "IT" refers to the Rinnegan eye in Obito's head. THAT is what Madara was referring to.
4. Obito replies by saying that he was talking about his set of Mangekyo, not the Rinnegan.
You keep telling me that Madara corrected Obito by saying that Sharingan doesn't show it's true power with both eyes, but that is obviously not what he was correcting. He was talking about Rinnegan. Obito mentioned Sharingan. Madara thought Obito meant to say Rinnegan. Obito was actually referring to Sharingan.
Then there's the fact that Madara already clearly stated that Sharingan shows it's true power when both eyes are together. Your premise makes zero sense for the sole fact that we'd have to assume Madara was lying when he told Obito this tidbit of information, and we have to assume that despite Madara "correcting Obito by telling him the Sharingan doesn't show it's true power with both eyes", Obito carries on with his statement, hence "No, I mean this". Not sure why you are saying he referred to Kamui alone when he was obviously referring to the full set of eyes. The context can't be clearer.
-The whole chapter is even called Two Mangekyo.
-Despite the "correction", once again, Obito carries on and says that he's referring to his two MS. If Madara was correcting him on what you think he was correcting him on, then Obito wouldn't have said "No, I mean this".
-Madara already stated that the Sharingan show their true power together, which should've ended this debate.
-Obito says he needs to reach Kakashi since their eyes will work better as a pair.
1. Madara tells Obito he'll get his left Rinnegan eye back.
2. Obito then replies by asking him if he's interested, and then tells him that the Sharingan shows it's true power when both eyes are together.
3. Madara, who was talking about Rinnegan from the start, tells Obito that it's not a Sharingan, that it's a Rinnegan. "IT" refers to the Rinnegan eye in Obito's head. THAT is what Madara was referring to.
4. Obito replies by saying that he was talking about his set of Mangekyo, not the Rinnegan.
You keep telling me that Madara corrected Obito by saying that Sharingan doesn't show it's true power with both eyes, but that is obviously not what he was correcting. He was talking about Rinnegan. Obito mentioned Sharingan. Madara thought Obito meant to say Rinnegan. Obito was actually referring to Sharingan.
Then there's the fact that Madara already clearly stated that Sharingan shows it's true power when both eyes are together. Your premise makes zero sense for the sole fact that we'd have to assume Madara was lying when he told Obito this tidbit of information, and we have to assume that despite Madara "correcting Obito by telling him the Sharingan doesn't show it's true power with both eyes", Obito carries on with his statement, hence "No, I mean this". Not sure why you are saying he referred to Kamui alone when he was obviously referring to the full set of eyes. The context can't be clearer.
-The whole chapter is even called Two Mangekyo.
-Despite the "correction", once again, Obito carries on and says that he's referring to his two MS. If Madara was correcting him on what you think he was correcting him on, then Obito wouldn't have said "No, I mean this".
-Madara already stated that the Sharingan show their true power together, which should've ended this debate.
-Obito says he needs to reach Kakashi since their eyes will work better as a pair.
Underlined is not only an assumption, it goes against the context nor does it make any sense whatsoever. Madara's literal words were "full potential". Literally has nothing to do with the number of abilities. "Full" doesn't refer to a filled cup when used in the statement "Full Power". Full Power=Strongest Power. That simple.
Madara stated his full power was PS. Clear example.
You'd still be assuming that "full potential" refers only to the strongest power. As I had earlier gave, it could easily mean that you cannot use the power of the opposite eye, which is true. For example, Kakashi couldn't use the full potential of Kamui (phasing) because he was missing the other eye. But I fail to see how "full" does not refer to as to have "filled". Obviously if I say my cup is full, it is filled. In this case, it could go either way, but as for the meaning of "full potential", it only goes in one.
You'd still be assuming that "full potential" refers only to the strongest power. As I had earlier gave, it could easily mean that you cannot use the power of the opposite eye, which is true. For example, Kakashi couldn't use the full potential of Kamui (phasing) because he was missing the other eye. But I fail to see how "full" does not refer to as to have "filled". Obviously if I say my cup is full, it is filled. In this case, it could go either way, but as for the meaning of "full potential", it only goes in one.
Do you even know what the term "context" refers to?
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What's being filled here? Madara's full power is PS. If he wants to use that, he needs both his eyes. If he wants to use all his abilities (PS) then he needs both eyes. Either way you wanna twist it, Madara can't use PS without both his eyes.
Kakashi had to build up chakra to snipe something as large as the JUUBI. Madara is not that large. We've already seen how much build up time is needed for human sized targets, and it's practically nonexistent. Thus the next two points are irrelevant.
Madara could anytime swap with Limbo, Limbo swap is even faster than Rikudou Sasuke and Naruto the fastest shinobi's in NV
Can Madara swap with Limbo when he's been cut into pieces? No, he can't. Then there's the fact that swapping will only work once, since the clone will have to return to his body before Kakashi gets him again, and that won't happen.
Madara's speed is irrelevant when he's been cut apart. Did you even bother to read before you replied?
2.You think that PS would rip Madara apart? Madara is the first Susanoo user ever with the most experience, he knows everything about it and he knew about Kamui as well so he would know that Kakashi would use Kamui with his PS. But never mind that's irrelevant here.
Irrelevant. Irrelevant. Irrelevant. None of this proves that Madara can fight against PS.
Kakashi can't perceive Limbo and can't seal it like Naruto did when Madara had 1 eye, so Madara's Limbo shadow would just go inside Kakashi's PS and would break his neck.... Yeah Limbo is hax as hell.
Wrong. Limbo can't enter Susanoo, especially since it's formed by Rikudo's Chakra. Lmao. It's not a ghost. It's a physical entity, except only other physical objects/attacks/entities with Rikudo's Chakra can injure/make contact with it.
3.It can hurt the user like i explained, and it could also deliver some damage look what it did to all the Bijuu(yeah i know PS is stronger than 1-8 tails Bijuu and that its like the same level or maybe even above full Kurama). There is no reason why it can't damage PS, that is just your assumption.
You didn't explain anything, at least not accurately. It hit the Bijuu, including Naruto's Avatar, and it didn't even scratch it. Rikudo PS is more durable than the Kurama Avatar. Thus Limbo doesn't scratch PS. It's your baseless assumption that Limbo can do anything to PS when it did nothing but knock the Bijuu around.
4.Intangibility got Madara because he didn't knew that Obito had that ability at that moment.
kakashi can't even see limbo and can keep up his susano for a few minutes max before he faints for not being able to handle a double MS.
madara can chill and just dodge all incoming kamui attacks, till kakashi can no longer stand due to double MS drain, then madara proceeds to send a limbo or TSB to finish the job.
Wrong. Kakashi can keep his Susanoo up as long as Obito's chajkra is inside his body. The only reason there was a time limit is because Obito can't stay in Kakashi's body forever. There is no such stipulation in a scenario outside of the regular manga canon.
Strain isn't an issue when he has Obito's chakra. The rest is irrelevant due to that fact.
Do you even know what the term "context" refers to?
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What's being filled here? Madara's full power is PS. If he wants to use that, he needs both his eyes. If he wants to use all his abilities (PS) then he needs both eyes. Either way you wanna twist it, Madara can't use PS without both his eyes.
You completely missed the first topic of my post, which is what the real aim is. I said it could go either way with the act of "full power" and I had no idea of what context or situation he is saying it as you simply "quoted" him.
The problem I had with your initial post was that you were mistaking "awaken" for "using". Madara stated you need both eyes to awaken their full power. He said this with one three-tomoe eye, meaning he'd need a right one to awaken the Mangekyou. This does not imply that techniques are weakened without a pair. Susano'o is a technique that only requires the special chakra of the brain anyways. It was said by Sasuke that it was only usable when you awaken the Mangekyou in both eyes. My reasoning then carries on that awakening does not presume continuous use as Madara proceeded to use Susano'o without even one eye.
You completely missed the first topic of my post, which is what the real aim is. I said it could go either way with the act of "full power" and I had no idea of what context or situation he is saying it as you simply "quoted" him.
The problem I had with your initial post was that you were mistaking "awaken" for "using". Madara stated you need both eyes to awaken their full power. He said this with one three-tomoe eye, meaning he'd need a right one to awaken the Mangekyou. This does not imply that techniques are weakened without a pair. Susano'o is a technique that only requires the special chakra of the brain anyways. It was said by Sasuke that it was only usable when you awaken the Mangekyou in both eyes. My reasoning then carries on that awakening does not presume continuous use as Madara proceeded to use Susano'o without even one eye.
Now you are just making stuff up. Obito and Kakashi alone shit on this example considering they both got MS when the set of eyes were separated. Full potential of the eyes obviously refers to the POWER OF THE EYES.
The rest is irrelevant. Susanoo being usable with Mangekyo or the special chakra in the brain doesn't change anything that has been stated. PS is Madara's full power (not regular Susanoo, so don't mention it), and he can't bring out his eye's full power or potential, both interchangeble here, without both his eyes.
And no, I didn't mistake "awaken" and "use". The context makes them interchangeable.
Now you are just making stuff up. Obito and Kakashi alone shit on this example considering they both got MS when the set of eyes were separated. Full potential of the eyes obviously refers to the POWER OF THE EYES.
The rest is irrelevant. Susanoo being usable with Mangekyo or the special chakra in the brain doesn't change anything that has been stated. PS is Madara's full power (not regular Susanoo, so don't mention it), and he can't bring out his eye's full power or potential, both interchangeble here, without both his eyes.
And no, I didn't mistake "awaken" and "use". The context makes them interchangeable.
I'm not making anything up. That was directly from Madara. Wasn't that statement the base of your claim that you need both eyes to use the full power? You simply destroyed yourself then. Without that, what quote do you have to base yourself now? You're also suggesting that Susano'o and Perfect Susano'o are different techniques, which is not the case, it's simply a higher level, and nothing was shown that Sharingan powers weaken with only one eye.
I'm not making anything up. That was directly from Madara. Wasn't that statement the base of your claim that you need both eyes to use the full power? You simply destroyed yourself then. Without that, what quote do you have to base yourself now? You're also suggesting that Susano'o and Perfect Susano'o are different techniques, which is not the case, it's simply a higher level, and nothing was shown that Sharingan powers weaken with only one eye.
This is fanfiction. And it goes against canon. Susanoo and PS being different techniques or not is irrelevant nor does my statement imply it. PS is his full power. Lack of one eye=lack of full power. That simple.
