JJ Madara vs DMS Kakashi

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Madara might be able to deal with the Susanoo with juubi chakra arms, much like . He also could use that in conjunction with the Gudo-dama. People seem to forget that they can and .
Once that's gone, Kakashi has no defense from Limbo.
 

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Which is irrelevant, because if Madara can't awaken his full powers without his other eye, then he can't use said powers either. If what you are saying, or implying, made any sense, then Madara wouldn't say that he needs another eye to use the full potential of the Sharingan.

You awaken your powers when you awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan. It only happens once. You're mixing the usage of "use" and "awaken". Your previous post uses the latter while now you say that Madara said the former.
 

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Madara might be able to deal with the Susanoo with juubi chakra arms, much like . He also could use that in conjunction with the Gudo-dama. People seem to forget that they can and .
Once that's gone, Kakashi has no defense from Limbo.

They probably could break Kakashi's Susano'o except the fact that Kakashi would just swat them away.

It really depends on the scale of Madara's Mokuton and how strong his V3 Susano'o got.
 

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They probably could break Kakashi's Susano'o except the fact that Kakashi would just swat them away.

It really depends on the scale of Madara's Mokuton and how strong his V3 Susano'o got.

He doesn't need his own Susano'o to deal with Kakashi's. With the Six Paths Sage Mode he's completely capable of dodging the sword through simple speed and then attack simutaneously using Truth-Seeking Spheres or chakra-based arm extensions. He can also use Sage Art: Storm Style: Lightning Fang in order to directly cut through Susano'o.
 

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Chapter 602. Madara says this to Obito. 99% sure we already had this discussion.

Equal ability doesn't refer to all individual abilities. Not the same thing. Madaras clones have equal stats to Madara himself. That's enough to prove that statement. When someone can show me them using Ninjutsu, then we can talk. Every single time they have appeared they have used Taijutsu, even when attacked by Ninjutsu. Even when ninjutsu would be helpful.

Yeah, I remember. Then I showed you this scan where he corrects Obito by explicitly saying "Not Sharingan, but Rinnegan".

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I am very certain that Databook said this... but yeah, I'll try to get the pages.
 

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He can't use PS without the other eye nor can Bijuu Dana even hurt him due to Kamui. And no, Limbo can't use his jutsu nor does immortality matter in S1 since Madara can't escape the Kamui dimension.

Madara stands no chance.

You are full of shit
Kamui is useless against Madara... It's too slow, look what Obito is saying
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And look what Madara is saying ''His Kamui movements are slower than my attacks anyway''
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And it also proofed that Obito didnt even had time to be intangible....

And Kakashi can't even perceive Limbo, Madara wins low diff
 

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How does Madara wins exactly ?
Kakashi overwhelms him with Susanoo, how exactly Madara would harm him with his Kamui ? Limbo isn't enough.

Kakashi wins med-high
 

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Madara wins

Kakashi can not see or feel the Limbo, so it not can defend itself.

Kakashi how defends himself if he does not know what's going on? It does not even have reason to become intangible if not see the attack. Limbo is too powerful....One of the most powerful techniques of rinnegan.

Also Madara is undoubtedly faster than Kakashi and not only has the Limbo.
 

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not seeing where people are getting the limbo GG argument from, when PS tanks it attacks with little to no damage
 

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Yeah, I remember. Then I showed you this scan where he corrects Obito by explicitly saying "Not Sharingan, but Rinnegan".

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I am very certain that Databook said this... but yeah, I'll try to get the pages.

Smh. And then I corrected you.

-Madara says that he'll get the left eye back from Obito.
-Obito says that Sharingan shows it's true power when both are together.
-Madara says "Not it's not a Sharingan, it's a Rinnegan". Obviously referring to the Rinnegan in Obito's head.
-Obito replies that he wasn't referring to his Rinnegan, he was referring to his and Kakashi's Sharingan.



Madara already clearly stated that you need both Sharingan to use their full power. There is no debating it nor would it make any type of sense for him to say "No, I was wrong".

DB said: Creates clones of equal ability. You can find it, but it won't say anything different.

You awaken your powers when you awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan. It only happens once. You're mixing the usage of "use" and "awaken". Your previous post uses the latter while now you say that Madara said the former.

That depends on the context awaken is being used in, and this context makes it the same as use. So please, stop. It's obvious what Madara meant, you are grasping at straws at this point. If he only needed to awaken the power of both eyes once to use their power even w/o both eyes, he wouldn't say that he needed both eyes nor would he need the second Rinnegan eye.
 

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You are full of shit
Kamui is useless against Madara... It's too slow, look what Obito is saying
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And look what Madara is saying ''His Kamui movements are slower than my attacks anyway''
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And it also proofed that Obito didnt even had time to be intangible....

And Kakashi can't even perceive Limbo, Madara wins low diff

1. Obito's Kamui is not as fast as Kakashi's.
2. Can he dodge Kamui when PS has torn him apart? No.
3. Limbo can't even hurt PS.
4. Not sure where that "no time to be intangible" nonsense came from, but it was never shown in this Manga. Intangibility already got Madara anyway. He had no time to warp. Hence Kamui MOVEMENTS.

All in all, the only one full of shit here is you.

Madara might be able to deal with the Susanoo with juubi chakra arms, much like . He also could use that in conjunction with the Gudo-dama. People seem to forget that they can and .
Once that's gone, Kakashi has no defense from Limbo.

Lmao. Kaguya's attack is much different and much stronger. Kakashi would cut apart any chakra arms Madara tried to use against him. The Gudo Dama's explosion doesn't even have the feats to destroy or do serious damage to a regular Senjutsu PS let alone Kakashi's.
 

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Smh. And then I corrected you.

-Madara says that he'll get the left eye back from Obito.
-Obito says that Sharingan shows it's true power when both are together.
-Madara says "Not it's not a Sharingan, it's a Rinnegan". Obviously referring to the Rinnegan in Obito's head.
-Obito replies that he wasn't referring to his Rinnegan, he was referring to his and Kakashi's Sharingan.



Madara already clearly stated that you need both Sharingan to use their full power. There is no debating it nor would it make any type of sense for him to say "No, I was wrong".

DB said: Creates clones of equal ability. You can find it, but it won't say anything different.

I'm very confused right now, you got them all right but in the last text you jumped from A to B. So apparently we are talking about what Obito referred to? Because I wasn't talking about Obito, but what Madara said. If you didn't understand my point, Obito Although Madara implied he was talking about his Sharingan, Madara clearly corrected Obito when he said ''The Sharingan shows it's full power when the right eye and left eye are together'' and Madara said ''No... not Sharingan, but Rinnegan''. So in this context, Madara meant: ''The Rinnegan shows it's full power when the right eye and left eye are together''.

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Hence the ''You said...'', referring to the moment in cave, chapter 602. And Obito corrects Madara, saying ''No, I meant this'', referring to Kamui and not even Susanoo.

I don't know how I can explain this better, because it was pretty obvious to me from the start.
 

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Smh. And then I corrected you.

-Madara says that he'll get the left eye back from Obito.
-Obito says that Sharingan shows it's true power when both are together.
-Madara says "Not it's not a Sharingan, it's a Rinnegan". Obviously referring to the Rinnegan in Obito's head.
-Obito replies that he wasn't referring to his Rinnegan, he was referring to his and Kakashi's Sharingan.



Madara already clearly stated that you need both Sharingan to use their full power. There is no debating it nor would it make any type of sense for him to say "No, I was wrong".

DB said: Creates clones of equal ability. You can find it, but it won't say anything different.



That depends on the context awaken is being used in, and this context makes it the same as use. So please, stop. It's obvious what Madara meant, you are grasping at straws at this point. If he only needed to awaken the power of both eyes once to use their power even w/o both eyes, he wouldn't say that he needed both eyes nor would he need the second Rinnegan eye.

You're switching the scenario of a Sharingan and Rinnegan. In either case, you yourself are trying to define the phrase "full power". You imply it means the maximum power, which would be Perfect Susano'o. It would however mean "full" as in to have filled, also known as all powers. Obviously it'd be impossible for one to use the left eye's abilities with the right.
 
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not seeing where people are getting the limbo GG argument from, when PS tanks it attacks with little to no damage

Madara could open a hole within the Susano'o and send his shadow in.
 

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I'm surprised kidgamer said madara would lose.

kakashi can't even see limbo and can keep up his susano for a few minutes max before he faints for not being able to handle a double MS.

madara can chill and just dodge all incoming kamui attacks, till kakashi can no longer stand due to double MS drain, then madara proceeds to send a limbo or TSB to finish the job.
 

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I'm very confused right now, you got them all right but in the last text you jumped from A to B. So apparently we are talking about what Obito referred to? Because I wasn't talking about Obito, but what Madara said. If you didn't understand my point, Obito Although Madara implied he was talking about his Sharingan, Madara clearly corrected Obito when he said ''The Sharingan shows it's full power when the right eye and left eye are together'' and Madara said ''No... not Sharingan, but Rinnegan''. So in this context, Madara meant: ''The Rinnegan shows it's full power when the right eye and left eye are together''.

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Hence the ''You said...'', referring to the moment in cave, chapter 602. And Obito corrects Madara, saying ''No, I meant this'', referring to Kamui and not even Susanoo.

I don't know how I can explain this better, because it was pretty obvious to me from the start.

I can te your confused, because after all this time you still don't understand what the scan is saying. I'll address this later.
 

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1. Obito's Kamui is not as fast as Kakashi's.
2. Can he dodge Kamui when PS has torn him apart? No.
3. Limbo can't even hurt PS.
4. Not sure where that "no time to be intangible" nonsense came from, but it was never shown in this Manga. Intangibility already got Madara anyway. He had no time to warp. Hence Kamui MOVEMENTS.

All in all, the only one full of shit here is you.

1.Kakashi could never snipe Madara, i got here proof that Kakashi's snipe is fast but not fast enough against top tier characters....

Obito caught Kakashi before he even could start sniping, and that was just with a jump
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Obito is not faster than this
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Or this
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Madara could anytime swap with Limbo, Limbo swap is even faster than Rikudou Sasuke and Naruto the fastest shinobi's in NV
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Madara's speed is far above Kamui
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2.You think that PS would rip Madara apart? Madara is the first Susanoo user ever with the most experience, he knows everything about it and he knew about Kamui as well so he would know that Kakashi would use Kamui with his PS. But never mind that's irrelevant here.
Kakashi can't perceive Limbo and can't seal it like Naruto did when Madara had 1 eye, so Madara's Limbo shadow would just go inside Kakashi's PS and would break his neck.... Yeah Limbo is hax as hell.

3.It can hurt the user like i explained, and it could also deliver some damage look what it did to all the Bijuu(yeah i know PS is stronger than 1-8 tails Bijuu and that its like the same level or maybe even above full Kurama). There is no reason why it can't damage PS, that is just your assumption.

4.Intangibility got Madara because he didn't knew that Obito had that ability at that moment.
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He later knew exactly how it worked and even used it himself
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Yes 1 eyed JJ Madara>>>DMS Kakashi
 
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1.Kakashi could never snipe Madara, i got here proof that Kakashi's snipe is fast but not fast enough against top tier characters....

Obito caught Kakashi before he even could start sniping
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Obito is not faster than this
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Or this
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Madara could anytime swap with Limbo, Limbo swap is even faster than Rikudou Sasuke and Naruto the fastest shinobi's in NV

Madara's speed is far above Kamui
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2.You think that PS would rip Madara apart? Madara is the first Susanoo user ever with the most experience, he knows everything about it and he knew about Kamui as well so he would know he would use Kamui with his PS. But never mind that's irrelevant here.
Kakashi can't perceive Limbo and can't seal it like Naruto did when Madara had 1 eye, so Madara's Limbo shadow would just go inside Kakashi's PS and would break his neck.... Yeah Limbo is hax as hell.

3.It can like i explained. There is no reason why it can't hurt PS, that is just your assumption.

4.Intangibility got Madara because he didn't knew that Obito had that ability at that moment.

He later knew exactly how it worked and even used it himself
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Yes 1 eyed JJ Madara>>>DMS Kakashi

all of this is not even necessary

a few minutes after kaguya got sealed kakashi couldn't even stand up after using DMS for literally a few seconds.

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madara literally has to do nothing but play defensive for a minute or two before kakshi drops to the floor out of exhaustion .
 
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