JJ Madara vs Current Sasuke
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that form of Madara wasit immortal anyways gai would have killed him
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furthermore he seals him with his moon seal
Wrong. There was no visible scars on Jubito from Enton RS because of high durability, accelerated healing, and the TSB
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the flames from his body.Ninjutsu doesn't work on his body? Explain
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by Tobirama's ninjutsu if no ninjutsu works on the Jins body.Yet Minato
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. Yet
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warped his TSB with
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. Your premise of normal ninjutsu not working on a jins body and his TSB have been debunked, unless of course you believe Minato, Kakashi, and Tobirama all have sage power to affect him as well. Next subject.Sasuke's chidori being black has yet to be explained. I understand it was black when he was at the VotE however that was just to make their jutsu look much cooler with suspense and all that. Why do I think this? Because in part 2 when Sasuke and Naruto have way better control over their chakra and power
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was still normal color in CS2, not black and
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was also still blue, not purple/red. In between their growth, they should have been able to easily control power like that from when they were 12 yet it was never seen again, not the lightning of course until Darui did it but never the Rasengan since that point. So unless you believe Darui also has some senjutsu sage power (which would not be a shock considering he should have been dead using those sage tools like that, plus adding Sandaime Raikage was his master, a man with bijuu level reserves, black lightning, plus who utilized the sage tools normally too without dying) then his lightning has probably just evolved to a higher level, like Darui's.
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Sasuke still wins
Yes because gai attacked obviously didnt have enough power to kill him as he stated sasuke perfect susanoo does so he dies. he told naruto to do it because naruto already had a sealing jutsu out furthermore he need to catch madara and naruto can use bushin to hold the seal steady.
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something that is irrelevant unless sasuke name is on the side for neg diff
means no effort at all to the point where this should not have been a vs matchup is basically what kaguya can do to tonton no one and narutoverse can defeat sasuke neg diff
Neg stands for Negative, which means just beyond bad. Take these for examples,
Pain beating up Hinata was neg difficulty, just totally stomped her little to no effort, I don't even think he moved either actually.
Bee soloing Taka was low difficulty, they got a kick, chidori, and a punch in but nothing much and he beat them easily.
Deidara beating Gaara was mid difficulty, Deidara sustained damage, but he barely used anything in his arsenal and Gaara did push him a bit.
Neji beating Kidomaru was high difficulty. He was pushed to his limits, using his strongest attacks and was nearly dead afterwards. You can sort of use these for guidelines to go by in the future.
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Lol? The Rasengan itself still hit him. And it did no damage. SM Rasengan did. Unless you are telling me a Rasengan covered in Enton is weaker than a Rasengan by itself, you are wrong. Ninjutsu doesn't work on the Jins body. Minato ALREADY SAID THAT ONLY SENJUTSU AND TAIJUTSU WORK. There is no debate on this point. "high durability" is a petty excuse that doesn't even explain it all.
That isn't Ninjutsu damaging him. So its not even a valid example.
Read above. Kamui is a S/T Ninjutsu, as the manga clearly shows its special, since no Ninjutsu that hit the Gudo Dama worked. Can't negate a rift in space as the rift itself isn't Ninjutsu, its the product of Ninjutsu. The Hiraishin example is a pathetic attempt of grasping at straws, read above for my reply to that.
"To look cool" That is your big counter argument? Lmao. Chidori was normal but when he used in CS2, it became black. Don't know why it didn't when he used in Part 2, but anyone who is objectively reading this manga will know that the CS2 caused it. Six Path's Chakra caused it to became black as well. Either way its irrelevant as the Jin has been stated to negate Ninjutsu with his body, but Sasuke injured him.
Right, Minato did say that but it was contradicted earlier when they preformed FTG on him. If Ninjutsu does not work on a Jins body, they would have never been able to teleport his body to another location.
Now you change your argument from "ninjutsu working on his body" to "ninjutsu damaging him" Its a valid feat of Ninjutsu working "on a jins body". What are you not understanding. If Jubito's body was teleported with FTG.... a ninjutsu has worked on his body. Not sure why this is hard to cope with for you.
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Haha. Space Time Ninjutsu, Nature Transformation Ninjutsu, Barreir Ninjutsu, etc. They are all ninjutsu. Oh, now you think Kishi has made an exception for Kamui and "made it special"? If the jins body can't negate the rift in space that teleports them, wouldn't that mean they can't negate all ninjutsu? Man this is hilarious. Your argument is becoming less and less factual with every post and more filled with speculation and subliminal insults. Don't turn into an rustled Sasuke fan on me now, they are the worse, this was getting interesting.
Is that your big counter argument? You just don't know why he never used it?
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I gave you evidence of Ninjutsu working on a Jins body, you deny them and try to justify them with your own speculations about space rifts and what not.
I gave you evidence of Ninjutsu working on TSB, you deny it and attempt to justify it with the speculation that the manga has made Kamui "special" to affect it
Gave you evidence of Cs2 Sasuke not using Black Chidori. Your Answer: I don't know why.
You're clearly way too dense when it comes to Sasuke. I freaking hate Madara (and Itachi) because he's overrated as shit on this site. I feel sick defending him but it is what it is, Madara certainly wins. Lets just be big boys and agree to disagree.
Invisible man, if Naruto hit Juubito's body with a KCM rasengan instead of
Minato saying ninjutsu doesn't work on the juubi jink obviously is referring to damaging the jink, as that was the blatant context in which minato and everyone made that deduction.
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, what exactly do you think would happen?Minato saying ninjutsu doesn't work on the juubi jink obviously is referring to damaging the jink, as that was the blatant context in which minato and everyone made that deduction.
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No, it wasn't contradicted. Hiraishin was used on Juubito, yet Minato says that Ninjutsu doesn't on the Jin. Meaning Hiraishin obviously doesn't count. Why? Most likely because it isn't a Ninjutsu that attacks the target in anyway, its just a transportation technique. Either way, this doesn't change what was stated and shown. Gudo Dama was shown negating Ninjutsu. (Amaterasu) The Jins body was SHOWN negating Ninjutsu. (Enton RS) Minato stated that only Senjutsu and Taijutsu would work on him. Tobirama said the same thing about Juubito.
Not to mention they are talking about damaging the Jin, so your Hiraishin example is moot.
There is no debate here. You are just grasping at straws and its pretty sad.
Read above. There is nothing to debate on this topic. Ninjutsu can't damage the Jin's body. Period.
Gudo Dama have been stated and shown to negate Ninjutsu.
Why he never used it isn't relevant to me. All that is relevant is that CS2 caused his Chidori to turn black, just how Kurama's chakra influenced the Rasengan Naruto used. "Kishi made their jutsu look different for a coolness effect" is a pathetic counter argument. You showing me evidence of him never using it doesn't even prove that CS2 didn't cause it.
There is no agree to disagree here. Its just you debating against manga fact. Happens far too often on this site.
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"Only Senjutsu works on him, or physical damage from Taijutsu"
Meaning only Senjutsu and Ninjutsu can damage the Jin's body. Manga Fact. Don't try and deny it. Hiraishin being able to teleport him doesn't mean shit as its not an offensive technique. Hiraishin was used to teleport Juubito yet Minato still said Ninjutsu didn't work on him, meaning there is reason why it worked. Meaning Ninjutsu still doesn't work on the Jin.
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Amaterasu being negated and erased.
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That already ends this "Gudo Dama doesn't negate Ninjutsu" nonsense.
"Even if Ninjutsu doesn't work, it looks like Senjutsu attacks do"
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"This man is basing his techniques off of Onmyoton, which turns all Ninjutsu into nothing"
Edo Tensei's bodies are Ninjutsu. Minato's body was hit by Obito's Gudo Dama and he lost his arm. And
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Know why? Because it WAS NEGATED. Gudo Dama negates Ninjutsu. Manga fact. If you are just going to deny that, either don't reply or be a "big boy" and concede.Not to mention your first assertion:
Doesn't match up with the rest of your argument. You claim Sasuke loses because only Senjutsu can go through the Gudo Dama, but then you state:
First you state Senjutsu is needed to get past the Gudo Dama, then you say they aren't, meaning Sasuke would win if your argument was even accurate.
Lol. Pathetic trolls will troll I guess. Either that or you are just that dumb.
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By that logic he should have been able to match both of them, but they overwhelmed him with the utmost ease.