Jiubi VS Biju PS

[ARGUS]

sasukes PS iss obviously superior to the Juubi in terms of feats and portrayal,,
however i still fail to see how the juubi is getting taken out

 

[lanakui8]

You must be registered for see images

GG

Sasuke's PS would tank that with hardly any damage.

The Juubi's tails got sliced in half

You must be registered for see links

RSM Naruto's avatar is so much more durable than the juubi that

You must be registered for see links

from the same swords that

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

, it later took its a super juubidama right to the face and survived. The juubi doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Transcendence]

If Sasuke has seals, he takes this. He could also choose to burn it alive after puncturing it with Indra's arrow. 7 days of burning will have it reduced to nothing and it will regenerate over time but it's still effectively a win. The Juubi isn't doing anything at all to someone of Sasuke's speed.

 

[Touken]

You didn't know that the juubi is Kauya, in juubi form did you?

The whole time we've seen the juubi's awakening from Obito to juubi jinchuuriki, to Obito's good tree, to Madara's absorbed juubi jinchuuriki form....

That was all her

I've stopped paying attention for the last few chapters tbh.

 

[ATD]

Sasuke's PS would tank that with hardly any damage.

The Juubi's tails got sliced in half

You must be registered for see links

RSM Naruto's avatar is so much more durable than the juubi that

You must be registered for see links

from the same swords that

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

, it later took its a super juubidama right to the face and survived. The juubi doesn't stand a chance.

The jubi is a meat tank and has very good regeneration abilities like you said by using the word survived twice, Sasukes susanno got wrecked by tailed beast bombs of naruto,

You must be registered for see links

why shouldn't a much bigger and superior jubi biju dama harm sasukes susanno ?

You must be registered for see links

 

[wael reda]

It's called portrayal. If kishi has naruto wrecking madara, then he's portraying naruto as superior to madara. If naruto wasn't superior to madara, kishi wouldn't have naruto wreck him, and then absorb the shinjuu. It's the same thing when madara beat BM Naruto. Did naruto use bijuudama, kagebunshin, rasenshuriken or things in his arsenal that could have cut the chain or damaged madara gedo mazou? No, but does that mean Madara beating BM Naruto as well as the other beasts doesn't make him stronger than BM Naruto? Obviously not. Kishi obviously doesn't have to draw fleshed out ten chapter battles where every character uses everything in their arsenal in order to show that one character is more powerful than another, if he did that the manga would still be in part 1.


Why does the tree being active or not have anything to do with its durability or power? And lol why in the world would naruto's chakra have been sucked once he stepped on it when hashirama and madara's chakra weren't sucked when they stepped on the tree? The tree only sucks powers when it grabbs you with one of the roots.


because juubi jin madara traveled hundreds of kilometers in an incomparably lesser amount of time than it took the juubidama to travel, and sasuke can blitz juubi jin madara.


The time in between the juubi's firing of its bijuudamas was even greater than the time it took the damas to travel all the way to other countries and explode. That's easily dodged by sasuke's PS and the juubi gets decimated during the downtime.

The juubi's firing rate is so slow that bee could travel to its mouth, transform, create and fire his own bijuudama before the juubi could even fire one.


Concession accepted.

You've just shown that your argument is so utterly bias and unsupported that you've had to make the ridiculous assertion that Rikudou senjutsu mode naruto's bijuudamas = Kyuubi bijuudamas.

This is 100% proof that you don't give a crap about arguing about what's actually true about the manga, you just want to assert your own opinion and push it relentlessly.


Yep, so once again your stance is so utterly unsupported that you've actually had to assert that a bijuudama from rikudousenjutsu BM avatar = a normal-sized tbb.

Naruto's avatar is far more durable than the juubi because his tails can block tons of strikes from rikudousenjutsu powered PS, the same strikes that were slicing mountain-range size chibaku tenseis as if they were butter while the juubi's tails get sliced right in half by BM rasenshuriken.


What does the juubi being in the final form have to do with its tails getting more durable? Do the tails grow in size? Do the tails get so much more durable that they'd go from getting cut by a BM FRS to taking tons of attacks that are incomparably greater in power?


Um, because Ei was hit by an MS amaterasu while the juubi was screaming in pain when hit by chou oodama enton rasenshuriken which proves that amaterasu's flames can be more potent depending on the power of the enton. Sasuke's firing rikudou enhanced enton through his sharinnegan.
Shockwaves prevent him from charging juubidama because bee prevented that with a mere tailed beast bomb, and the shockwaves of sasuke's PS strikes are tiers beyond tiers more powerful than a BM FRS.


When I assert those things like kamui not being able to be used in succession, I do so in order to show you what happens when you evaluate your own argument by your own standards.
Kamui has been shown to be slower the further the target is away from the user, and I never asserted that SM naruto ca tank 4 bijuudamas from bee.

This is what you do wael reda, you come into a debate with a winner and a loser in mind. From there, you do whatever it takes in order to make the winner win, you give them the maximum possible upper limit of their abilities, while you do the exact opposite for the person who you want to lose, to lose, you hit them with the minimum lower limit of their abilities. That's why we see you saying things like Rikudou senjutsu mode naruto's bijuudama = 'a normal kurama bijuudama'.

Time and time again in our discussions, you've proven that you just don't care about evaluating the arguments objectively, and unlike a lot of people who'd just stop debating you because you're a joke and a waste of their time, I'm willing to go the distance to out you for just how utterly bias you actually are.

naruto couldn't use bijudoma as his chakra was mostlikey restrained
with that logic kakashi is portrayed to be above kaguya and kcm Lee is above edo madara

whatever that is jiubi vs biju ps thread

I don't remember when madara and Hashi stepped on the tree, and was it acitve then?

i said nothing about tree durability, your problem that you like to prolong any debate and scatter us off topic
Lol, madara didnt travel 100s of kms, also gara is faster than jiubidoma then Lol ,that is so side actions

bee could do all that but in another situation jiubi could charge ttb and shot it while slipping

Lol, i said normal sized ttb talking about the size, it isnt my problem that you cant understand me

do not talk about senjutsu enhancement when kiuybi the one who gathered all that nature chakra for naruto later said that jiubi nature chakra is so big that it can't be measured

again cutting extending arms from the tails doesn't mean it would cut the jiubi himself

that enton was enhanced by fuuton, also felling pain doesn't mean he can't shot bijudoma,bee pushed the ttb to jiubi’s mouth that is completely different from shockwave, your problem that you use A>B>C logic without using your mind

I amnot going to reply to your shitty manners l lectures and that BS ,and plz don't reply to every word with a lecture

unlike you I amnot willing to debate you for ever because you are a joke and waste of time, ,my time is more precious to debate with a retard on internet

 

[lanakui8]

naruto couldn't use bijudoma as his chakra was mostlikey restrained
with that logic kakashi is portrayed to be above kaguya and kcm Lee is above edo madara

Oh based what do you believe the bolded to be true? If Naruto's chakra was drained, he would have been huffing and puffing, and then there's the fact that you'd have to make the same argument for all the tailed beasts.

You've also straight up conceded this argument since you ignore my other points about rasenshurike and clones which shows you don't have a counterargument to that.

Kakashi didn't force kaguya to gain an entire new powerup, nor did he fight her solo as Naruto and Sasuke were in that fight. Lee as well, he didn't fight madara solo nor did he force madara to run away and get a whole new powerup.

I don't remember when madara and Hashi stepped on the tree, and was it acitve then?

You must be registered for see links

i said nothing about tree durability, your problem that you like to prolong any debate and scatter us off topic
Lol, madara didnt travel 100s of kms, also gara is faster than jiubidoma then Lol ,that is so side actions

Oh, so if you have no argument about the tree's durability, then you've conceded then that YRS > juubi since the tree is the juubi's final form and the YRS cut it in half like butter.

IF you want to assert madara didn't travel 100ds of kms, then tell me why. He's clearly above all of his chibaku tenseis, tell me how that's not hundreds of kilometers.

Why in the world leads you to believe that gaara is faster than juubiara?

bee could do all that but in another situation jiubi could charge ttb and shot it while slipping

....the juubi's TBB was already being charged when kitsuchi used the doton, that in no way takes away from the timeframe that bee showed us the juubi is required to charge its dama.

Lol, i said normal sized ttb talking about the size, it isnt my problem that you cant understand me

You literally said normal sized KURAMA bijuudama. You were absolutely not talking about the size, you tried to straight up downplay the power of the TBB by claiming that it was a Kurama bijuudama. But now that I've called you out on your bias, you've been forced to change your position.

do not talk about senjutsu enhancement when kiuybi the one who gathered all that nature chakra for naruto later said that jiubi nature chakra is so big that it can't be measured

Nature chakra? What the hell is nature chakra? It's natural energy, and that's not senjutsu, natural energy is mixed with chakra in order to produce senjutsu. The juubi doesn't have senjutsu, let alone rikuou senjutsu, it's power is more like natural energy.

Naruto uses rikudou senjutsu, that's rikudou chakra mixed with natural energy that massively increases the power of the rikudou chakra just like his base chakra increases when he mixes it with natural energy. The juubi doesn't use that, and therefore your comparison is completely irrelevant.

Then there's the fact that kurama gathered all the natural energy above the earth, and we see how the juubi's mass is far inferior to the mass of

You must be registered for see links

.

And finally, the fact that Sasuke could measure the amount of chakra both madara and kaguya had proves that the juubi's chakra is in fact measurable, SM NAruto back then simply couldn't do it.
again cutting extending arms from the tails doesn't mean it would cut the jiubi himself

that enton was enhanced by fuuton, also felling pain doesn't mean he can't shot bijudoma,bee pushed the ttb to jiubi’s mouth that is completely different from shockwave, your problem that you use A>B>C logic without using your mind

I literally said the bolded, which is why sasuke's amaterasu will be enhanced by rikudou senjutsu and his sharinnegan. Prove that the juubi will be capable of firing the bijuudama normally while lit on fire.

Sasuke's shockwave is tiers beyond tiers more powerful than bee's TBB or the force in which bee used to push the TBB into the juubi's mouth.

I amnot going to reply to your shitty manners l lectures and that BS ,and plz don't reply to every word with a lecture

unlike you I amnot willing to debate you for ever because you are a joke and waste of time, ,my time is more precious to debate with a retard on internet

If you were actually right, or actually believed you were right, you would be willing to continue this discussion with me. The biggest motivation for me continuing this discussion with you is how utterly unsupported your arguments are and how drastically compelling my own are.

Take a step back and look at our argument and just see how much things you've had to assert without giving any reason and how many of my points you've been forced to just straight up ignore because you couldn't counter it. For example, you just assert that Madara didn't travel hundreds of kilometers, yet give zero reasons for why the scan i showed where madara is above his CTs doesn't put him at hundreds of kilometers above ground.

You've completely conceded that the juubi is far inferior to the durability of sasukes rikudou PS since you've just dropped that argument based on the durability of the juubi's tails vs Naruto's avatar tails.
You've completely conceded the portrayal argument since you ignored all of the arsenal naruto could have used, but didn't use against Madara.

 

[lanakui8]

The jubi is a meat tank and has very good regeneration abilities like you said by using the word survived twice, Sasukes susanno got wrecked by tailed beast bombs of naruto,

You must be registered for see links

why shouldn't a much bigger and superior jubi biju dama harm sasukes susanno ?

You must be registered for see links

...it doesn't harm sasuke's susanoo because:

1) Sasuke's bijuu-enhanced PS is just as durable as Naruto's asura avatar
2) Sasuke's PS is just as durable as naruto's BM avatar
3) Naruto's BM avatar is far more durable than the juubi because of the argument i just gave you, which means if the bijuudama can't destroy the juubi, it's not going to destroy sasuke's PS as well

The juubi's normal bijuudamas are are far inferior to the clash we saw last chapter, even if we compare the two with just the raw blast radius. The blast went off so high in the air that

You must be registered for see links

. The blast was above VoTe which is far away from where kakashi is, yet

You must be registered for see links

as much

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

So Naruto and Sasuke's final clash was so powerful that it had the same affect on kakashi's area as the super juubidama did, despite being a much further distance away from that area (since it's hundreds of kilometers above VoTe and the sphere of the blast didn't even touch the ground).

 

[Unorthodox]

You must be registered for see images

GG

You must be registered for see images

NO

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Juubi tanked its own Continental Level Bijudama. Sasuke's Country/Multi-Country level arrow won't be able to hurt it.

Sasuke's Bijuu Susano'O was also destroyed by a Multi-Country Level explosion, so Bijudama destroys it.

Juubi Low-Mid Diffs, even in its incomplete state without the Hachibi & Kyuubi.​

​