Jiriaya = Strongest ninja ever?

[twistedlink]

Ugh....Yatas mirror stops all attacks...how can you say its not 100% when we know itachi has a legendry item that blocks 100% of all attacks?


I get theyre hypotheticals

for example 1st against 4th.

Its difficult because theyre both skilled etc etc, i wouldnt argue like this over them two's battles.


But itachi has an instant draw, and almost instant win against any opponent due to the fact he has a legendary item that makes the other ninjas attacks completely useless.

Its not really a debate about who has the best jutsu or is the fastest (though even then itachi still has the upper hand)

Its about itachi not being attacked with yatas mirror.

Its evident there are a good 3-4 ninja out there who are stronger than jiraiya without hermit mode.

Remember hermit mode is called hermit mode because he had the two frogs on him, therefore hermit, like a hermit crab has a shell on its back.

Naruto wont be learning hermit mode, naruto will be learning sage mode, all on his own.

So when naruto kicks peins and madaras ass i dont want people saying "ha see, jiraiya could defeat them"

Pa frog stated hermit mode is a long way off from the power of true sage mode.

I think people give hermit mode just a little too much credit.

Also, itachi gave naruto a power, we dont know itachis entire moveset, considering jiraiya was in a life and death situation, we can assume accurately that he was giving pein everything he had.

Meh, jiraiyas more popular than itachi, therefore stronger, its a silly way to judge it, but i guess thats what happens when loads of mindless fans enter the fray

 

[musicgenesis]

Hey..i love Itachi too okay?-_____-

firstly..the reason why jiraiya didnt learn sage properly was coz he wasnt able to..i think only naruto is the best for it.
LOL

oh wait i forgot wad i wanna say...

ITACHI FTW!!!!

but im not saying if jiraiya is stronger or wad.

XD

 

[Tradesguy]

it is obvious that pein is stronger then Jiraiya cause Jiraiya had to use all of his abilities, had those 2 ausome summons and lost. We havn't seen Peins true potential yet.

 

[ssanimo]

Woah, strongest shinobi ever?!
No way, he was powerful but that's a stretch.
If your talking strongest ever, of course, it would be the original Rin'ningan user, the creater of the ninja world.
As far as most powerful in the present time, yes, Jiraiya would be up there, but he wouldn't be stronger than Pein, Itachi, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th Hokages.
And one other thing, you guys rank Minato WAYYYY to strong!
Yea, he was very powerful, but he wasn't that powerful.
The thing that made him so incredible was the fact that he was SO young.
He had more power than most ninja at such a young age, and if he had time to grow and mature he would have most likely been the most powerful.
He was very effective during the war, and that's where he got most of his accolades, but in a one on one battle, he wasn't as powerful as people make him out to be.

how the f*ck would you know that???? how many one on one battles have u seen from 4th? u kishi's bro or what man????? i mean what's going to happen in chaps 416-426???? c'mon!!! c'mon!!! i'm on the edge of my seat bro....rubb your crystal balls and tell me now!!!!

wow you r all underestimating nature chakra and claiming that you know facts about things that are unexplained. u cant say jiraiya couldn't beat itachi or vise versa. having a debate of theories is one thing but, i can't even chim in on this one, my post would take hours to write. some of the thing said about susano and yata's mirror are retarded. was not much info on either, ecspecially the mirror......bottom line______if itachi was that powerful, he woulda takin out pain and madara afterall niether would have interfered with his fight with sasgay and both would have protected village....... i love itachi j man and the 4th. they prob tie for 1st on my fav list but itachi was not at full strength (we dont know what his full strength was).J-man used chakra fighting konan and summons b4 he got to pain,and that whole fight was a mind f*ck for him.not to mention pain himself said he would have lost! i agree its part of fight finding opp. weakness and such. and that one statement said he could beat a rinnegan user!?? but he wouldn't stand a chance against a sharingan?? know one knows for sure. i guess point is don't speculate that u know facts that no1 else knows it's annoying

 

[Steinbiz]

how the f*ck would you know that???? how many one on one battles have u seen from 4th? u kishi's bro or what man????? i mean what's going to happen in chaps 416-426???? c'mon!!! c'mon!!! i'm on the edge of my seat bro....rubb your crystal balls and tell me now!!!!

wow you r all underestimating nature chakra and claiming that you know facts about things that are unexplained. u cant say jiraiya couldn't beat itachi or vise versa. having a debate of theories is one thing but, i can't even chim in on this one, my post would take hours to write. some of the thing said about susano and yata's mirror are retarded. was not much info on either, ecspecially the mirror......bottom line______if itachi was that powerful, he woulda takin out pain and madara afterall niether would have interfered with his fight with sasgay and both would have protected village....... i love itachi j man and the 4th. they prob tie for 1st on my fav list but itachi was not at full strength (we dont know what his full strength was).J-man used chakra fighting konan and summons b4 he got to pain,and that whole fight was a mind f*ck for him.not to mention pain himself said he would have lost! i agree its part of fight finding opp. weakness and such. and that one statement said he could beat a rinnegan user!?? but he wouldn't stand a chance against a sharingan?? know one knows for sure. i guess point is don't speculate that u know facts that no1 else knows it's annoying

lol.............i could NEVER have said it better myself. at least some around here uses their brain.

 

[TLK]

As it stands, the candidates would probably be (in no particular order):

Hashirama Senju (The 1st), Pain, Jiraiya, Minato Namikaze, Madara Uchiha, Itachi Uchiha

Itachi is the best Genjutsu user hands down, I know that much.

 

[QwertyHero]

how the f*ck would you know that???? how many one on one battles have u seen from 4th? u kishi's bro or what man????? i mean what's going to happen in chaps 416-426???? c'mon!!! c'mon!!! i'm on the edge of my seat bro....rubb your crystal balls and tell me now!!!!

wow you r all underestimating nature chakra and claiming that you know facts about things that are unexplained. u cant say jiraiya couldn't beat itachi or vise versa. having a debate of theories is one thing but, i can't even chim in on this one, my post would take hours to write. some of the thing said about susano and yata's mirror are retarded. was not much info on either, ecspecially the mirror......bottom line______if itachi was that powerful, he woulda takin out pain and madara afterall niether would have interfered with his fight with sasgay and both would have protected village....... i love itachi j man and the 4th. they prob tie for 1st on my fav list but itachi was not at full strength (we dont know what his full strength was).J-man used chakra fighting konan and summons b4 he got to pain,and that whole fight was a mind f*ck for him.not to mention pain himself said he would have lost! i agree its part of fight finding opp. weakness and such. and that one statement said he could beat a rinnegan user!?? but he wouldn't stand a chance against a sharingan?? know one knows for sure. i guess point is don't speculate that u know facts that no1 else knows it's annoying

First of all, stop being a douche.
Second of all, what does being Kishi have to do with being knowledgeable about Naruto?
We know a lot of stuff that hasn't quite happened in the manga, but we don't work for Kishi, do we?
Third of all, I'm not Kishi, nor to I work with him or anything like that.
It's just simple logic, he wasn't incredibly strong, he just had a CRAZY amount of potential.
In fact, he could have been EASILY the strongest ninja ever if he had not died prematurely.
I saw him fight in Kakashi Gaiden, I read articles about what his power was.
Like I said, he was VERY powerful for his age and probably compete with some powerful shinobi, but he wasn't like....This God of all shinobi that some people put him out to be.
He couldn't fight the first, or the second, or the third, or Madara.
He was an EXTREMELY effective combat machine in the Great Ninja Wars because he could kill MANY ninja at one time, that's why there was a flee on sight order.
Not because he was a God of Shinobi, it's because if a squad of ninja came upon him, he could kill them all, thus jeopardizing their countries operations.
And your whole thing about ''Not enough information'' or whatever is dumb.
We know what Yatas Mirror does, it makes you impervious to damage, pure and simple.
This was shown when people tried to attack Itachi in that state, he couldn't be damaged, at all.
I think you should go, write some intelligent shit, and come back to discuss this with me.

 

[twistedlink]

Hes not using his brain that much considering i counted over 209 grammar, spelling and punctuation errors.

Yes, it's impossible to tell how strong the 4th was, but sorry, logic is a great thing, and me and qwertyhero appear to be using it quite well.

The 4th was the strongest for his age, but come on, the 1st had 8 beasts under his control, the 3rd could learn and master the 4ths death god jutsu, and im sure itachi could give him a run for his money.

However if he lived 30-40 more years, im sure he would have made some devastating jutsus, ESPECIALLY if he went through sage training.


As to yatas mirror, what qwerty said, its an object that stops any attack, its as simple as that.

When a chapter comes out showing a loophole round it-il see what i think (jiraiya wouldnt nessecarily figure it out if there is a loophole)

Personally the only loophole would be to steal it, however thatd still be bloody difficult.

 

[musicgenesis]

LOL...i kinda agree...but as u said we cant compare whether the ninjas tt were dead long ago were as good as the ones now.

one question.when kishi gave the interview and answered the strongest shinobi question...was jiraiya and itachi dead then?

 

[QwertyHero]

LOL...i kinda agree...but as u said we cant compare whether the ninjas tt were dead long ago were as good as the ones now.

one question.when kishi gave the interview and answered the strongest shinobi question...was jiraiya and itachi dead then?

I don't think so, but I think that interview was proven to be fake or something so I don't know.
But even if it was fake, I'm sure that would still be accurate, as all the best Shinobi who ever lived are all dead, apart from maybe Pein.

 

[Steinbiz]

heres logic......jiraiya wins

 

[QwertyHero]

heres logic......jiraiya wins

Yea, the logic of stubborn man, maybe
-_-'

 

[Koo]

i didnt finish reading it all i stoped after the second page cuz it was getting rediculus... itachi was good but come on guys his susanoo isnt that great it lasted like 30 seconds and then it disipeared and itachi coughed up blood hes invincible and uber powerful for 30 secs and then hes a pansy yours for the taking... i love itachi to death he pwns face but get serius he was weak due to the overuse of the MS if he had EMS then thats another story

 

[TLK]

I don't think so, but I think that interview was proven to be fake or something so I don't know.
But even if it was fake, I'm sure that would still be accurate, as all the best Shinobi who ever lived are all dead, apart from maybe Pein.

Don't forget about Tsunade. She is hokage for a reason. Jiraiya was asked to be hokage initially for a reason, and he, in turn, sought out Tsunade for a reason.

I see a lot of discussion on 1-4, but I don't get to see a lot about #5.

 

[QwertyHero]

Don't forget about Tsunade. She is hokage for a reason. Jiraiya was asked to be hokage initially for a reason, and he, in turn, sought out Tsunade for a reason.

I see a lot of discussion on 1-4, but I don't get to see a lot about #5.

Tsunade wasn't chosen for incredible strength, although I'm sure she's very powerful, she was chosen more because she was very smart and level headed, which Jiraiya wasn't, which is why he turned down the Hokage position.
I mean, Jiraiya was smart in the way of the ninja, but when it came to decision making, he thought more with his heart than his head.

i didnt finish reading it all i stoped after the second page cuz it was getting rediculus... itachi was good but come on guys his susanoo isnt that great it lasted like 30 seconds and then it disipeared and itachi coughed up blood hes invincible and uber powerful for 30 secs and then hes a pansy yours for the taking... i love itachi to death he pwns face but get serius he was weak due to the overuse of the MS if he had EMS then thats another story

Uhh, hello?
He deactivated it himself, it didn't run out.
This is shown by the fact that he had no chakra when he activated it, so it didn't go away because he ran out of chakra.
I'm not saying that it's like unlimited but it doesn't run out in 30 seconds that's for sure.
From the time Itachi activated it and from the time Itachi DEactivated it must have been atleast 15 minutes, I mean, Orochimaru popped out and all that shit.
[EDIT]
Oh, yea, Itachi was SOOO weak, that's why he defeated Orochimaru without lifting a finger, and had Madara shaking in his boots.
Yea, he was powerless.

 

[Koo]

Tsunade wasn't chosen for incredible strength, although I'm sure she's very powerful, she was chosen more because she was very smart and level headed, which Jiraiya wasn't, which is why he turned down the Hokage position.
I mean, Jiraiya was smart in the way of the ninja, but when it came to decision making, he thought more with his heart than his head.



Uhh, hello?
He deactivated it himself, it didn't run out.
This is shown by the fact that he had no chakra when he activated it, so it didn't go away because he ran out of chakra.
I'm not saying that it's like unlimited but it doesn't run out in 30 seconds that's for sure.
From the time Itachi activated it and from the time Itachi DEactivated it must have been atleast 15 minutes, I mean, Orochimaru popped out and all that shit.
[EDIT]
Oh, yea, Itachi was SOOO weak, that's why he defeated Orochimaru without lifting a finger, and had Madara shaking in his boots.
Yea, he was powerless.

you sound like an itachi fanboy. zetsu himself said it must have had some side effects and also it was nowere near 15 minutes

 

[QwertyHero]

you sound like an itachi fanboy. zetsu himself said it must have had some side effects and also it was nowere near 15 minutes

Itachi fanboy?
I'm merely stating the facts.
Yea, it had a side effect, it drained him physically and mentally, but has nothing to do with chakra as I said, he activated it when he had NO chakra.
Nowhere near 15 minutes.
Ok, let's review for the dunce over here.
Itachi activated it when he used Kirin.
From the point when Sasuke used Kirin, to the point when Itachi had Sasuke backed up against the wall, your telling me that AT LEAST 15 minutes didn't pass???
You must be crazy, son.
[EDIT]
Ok, excuse me, it only got deactivated because Itachi DIED!
Due to his sickness, I might add.
If he hadn't been near death, I'm sure he could've sustained Susanoo for MUCH longer.

 

[TLK]

Tsunade wasn't chosen for incredible strength, although I'm sure she's very powerful, she was chosen more because she was very smart and level headed, which Jiraiya wasn't, which is why he turned down the Hokage position.
I mean, Jiraiya was smart in the way of the ninja, but when it came to decision making, he thought more with his heart than his head.

Believe me when I say that Tsunade is one of my favorite characters. However, someone known as "The Legendary Sucker" can't really put 'level-headed' as one of her best traits, wouldn't you agree?

Jiraiya turned down the part mainly due to the fact that he needed to keep an eye on Orochimaru, which he felt was more important. Had he not done that, he may not have known as much about the Akatsuki as he did, nor would he be able to fulfill his destiny as ordained by the elder toad (who has never been wrong) that he was to train the one who would destroy or unite the ninja world. I'm pretty sure Jiraiya remember all of this, and being smart isn't just being able to think on the fly. You must know yourself, as well. That's the most important part of being smart, and I would say Jiraiya was quite in touch with himself.

Going back to Tsunade, don't forget that we're talking about someone whose key talents (that we've seen) are a) medical prowess, and b) incredible strength. To compare, have you noticed just how big a pain in the ass Kabuto is to deal with? That's thanks to training as a medic nin. Now, what if we were to see the full extent of the most famous medic of them all?

These are just things to consider in favor of Godaime. Jiraiya's reputation is more than deserved, so I'm not trying to belittle him. If anything, I'm wanting to compare Tsunade to The Great Jiraiya.

 

[Koo]

Itachi fanboy?
I'm merely stating the facts.
Yea, it had a side effect, it drained him physically and mentally, but has nothing to do with chakra as I said, he activated it when he had NO chakra.
Nowhere near 15 minutes.
Ok, let's review for the dunce over here.
Itachi activated it when he used Kirin.
From the point when Sasuke used Kirin, to the point when Itachi had Sasuke backed up against the wall, your telling me that AT LEAST 15 minutes didn't pass???
You must be crazy, son.
[EDIT]
Ok, excuse me, it only got deactivated because Itachi DIED!
Due to his sickness, I might add.
If he hadn't been near death, I'm sure he could've sustained Susanoo for MUCH longer.

it wasnt 15 minutes acually and he died from the overuse of the MS and techs like susanoo

 

[Steinbiz]

hermit mode and every other summoning jiraiya has is enough to take all 3 MS jutsu's. thats what im saying. he's too fast. not even the rinnegan user could touch jiraiya til jiraiya turned his back after thinking he killed him. only ninja's fast enough to catch jiraiya is 4th and maybe gai and lee going 7-8 gates. then ultimate rasengan hits itachi. it's over

and theres no way it was 15 minutes. maybe TOPS 2 minutes.