I was under the impression that the implication was that if literally all the Gods of Destruction shat their pants over Goku going UI (in part because none of them have achieved that power), and if UI Goku still wasn't enough to wipe the floor with Jiren, then by default Jiren would wipe the floor with any God of Destruction.When was it confirmed that Jiren is stronger than Beerus?
People seem to have forget what Whis said(Anime only)When was it confirmed that Jiren is stronger than Beerus?
OT: Of course he is out of the two, no denying that. Jiren would win if they fought again unless somehow Goku is able to reactivate UI.
Multiple sources. Firstly Whis has implied in a prior episode that Beerus is weaker than Belmod and Belmod admits Jiren is stronger than him. Whis also explicitly states Jiren has surpassed the Gods when he took down the spirit bomb with just a glare.When was it confirmed that Jiren is stronger than Beerus?
OT: Of course he is out of the two, no denying that. Jiren would win if they fought again unless somehow Goku is able to reactivate UI.
This is also the first time Super ends with Vegeta being stronger than Goku on an averageWho cares if Jiren is stronger than GoD or not but the most satisfying fact is that Jiren still league above Goku. The first time in history of DB that at the end of arc the MC is not surpassing his rival/opponent in PL not even any other Z fighters where in the past we saw Goku surpassing Piccolo, Goku surpassing Freiza and then Gohan surpassing SP Cell later followed by Goku and Vegeta and lastly Goku surpassing Majin Buu.
How will Beerus defeat Jiren without MUI?Beerus > Jiren. Let's not get are hopes up on that on yet
Goku’s incomplete ultra instinct gave Jiren a run for his money in which Whis said Beerus already have. The difference is that in the anime it was stated and in the manga it was shown.How will Beerus defeat Jiren without MUI?
Whis NEVER said belmond was stronger and whis said there is a mortal stronger than Beerus not jirenMultiple sources. Firstly Whis has implied in a prior episode that Beerus is weaker than Belmod and Belmod admits Jiren is stronger than him. Whis also explicitly states Jiren has surpassed the Gods when he took down the spirit bomb with just a glare.
Also Limit breaker Jiren was holding his own with a Mastered UI Goku which is something he Gods don't have.
Yeahs tronger in an arm wrestling match. I’m lot buying itPeople seem to have forget what Whis said(Anime only)
That there is a mortal who is stronger than their GoD, and that GoD is even stronger than Beerus
This was when goku asked whis what their chances of winning were because Vegeta was complaining about Frieza joining
Again, that’s anime only & that fact only got brought up once so maybe they retconned it and hope we forgot.
this.Beerus > Jiren. Let's not get are hopes up on that on yet
MUI Goku is not stronger than Full power Jiren. What makes Goku look hard to put down by Jiren is "power of trust" trope played out by DBS Toei. In Fairy Tail we have the power of friendship. Being a MC is also part of the reason.Does it matter?
MUI Goku is still stronger than vegeta, Jiren, GoDs etc.
Him not having access to it at the moment doesn't change that.
We also don't know this for a fact, both Goku and Vegeta would have gotten big zenkais after the tournament, now tell me, what's more likely, Vegeta being way stronger than kaioken Blue Goku or them both being equal in the forms in the next movie? I'm going with the latter honestly.
And Jiren got a backstory power up to even contend with MUI, so I don't see your point.MUI Goku is not stronger than Full power Jiren. What makes Goku look hard to put down by Jiren is "power of trust" trope played out by DBS Toei. In Fairy Tail we have the power of friendship. Being a MC is also part of the reason.