jiraya was really very strong proof below

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Those 2 times were against 2 people he really lived and cared for so I don't think he would've tried to kill them so I don't think your point makes sense.
Yeah itachi called him a babysitter but at the same time said the best him and Kisame could hope for was a tie.
Also to block shinra tensi and chibaku tensi couldn't he summon a frog or have himself reverse summon to mt myobku?
 

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Dude, I've been telling ppl that ero sannin is he schit since '99 bro. One thing I've noticed about NB is that ppl would deny what's said in the manga according to their butt hurt ness or fanboy status. ie: Itachi states that fighting ero sannin would've resulted in a draw at best. Yet fanboys say Itachi one shots Jman. Itachi and Jman are both two of my favs. I can't respect fanboys cuz they don't keep it real. They're like Uchiha, they get too emo. Good thread tho
 

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Those 2 times were against 2 people he really lived and cared for so I don't think he would've tried to kill them so I don't think your point makes sense.
Yeah itachi called him a babysitter but at the same time said the best him and Kisame could hope for was a tie.
Also to block shinra tensi and chibaku tensi couldn't he summon a frog or have himself reverse summon to mt myobku?

I thought about this and whilst I'm on board with the rest of your comment, I realised that if he reverse summons himself out of there, he's basically retreated from the fight and forfeited it anyway unless he leaves some toad that he can return by, but it's a bit questionable whether Pain would leave such a toad alive. Summoning a frog alone wouldn't help him with Edo Tensei, but maybe if he could summon enough frogs to fire water and fire jutsus at Chibaku Tensei, it might be able to destroy it. He's got enough experience to get himself out of it, but it doesn't guarantee his victory in the same way that Nagato said his victory would have been secured if he had known the secret of Pain and been able to do Frog Song on Nagato himself or all 6 paths of Pain rather than just 3 of them, which would have guaranteed him victory cos then the major threatening paths or powers of Nagato would be nullified. But his arsenal, ability, chakra reserves, power and experience are enough to make him pretty OP; more so than Oro when he's not using 1st and 2nd Hokage as Edos imo, but I don't think Top 10 material, like some do; maybe not even top 15 considering some of the overhaxxed characters that are around, it depends.
 

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Ofc jiraiya was incredibly strong if pain didnt revive his bodies (ie if jman knew about nagato) he wouldnt have lost

Man i wish he was in this war itd be awesome
 

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He could stop the edos think about it there is sealing frogs and that's what you need to defeat edos is seal them.
Not too 15 really? That's crazy I'm sure you put sum people who we haven't even seen much of a head of him which I think is kinda gay.
 

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If he had prep he is top 5. But if we are giving people prep, Konan is top 5 also. Frog song is the most OP sound genjutsu. He is top 20 worthy though.
 

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If he had prep he is top 5. But if we are giving people prep, Konan is top 5 also. Frog song is the most OP sound genjutsu. He is top 20 worthy though.

There is a difference betwee knowing about the enemy and preparing for the enemy

1 konan prepared for obito thats why she could blew him up
2 if she only knew about his abillity and didnt prepare she would have died rightaway

Jiraiya only needed to know about pain he didnt need to do any prebattle preparations without knowing about his secrethe half defeated him and if he know how many there were and that they could revive the story would have been very different
 
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