Jiraya vs Danzo
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MinatoFLASH
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He won't run up, he will throw a kunai which wud come to him faster than he cud think about KA or even the kunai (obviously) then Minato wud teleport to him and use a seal and keep killing him. Or he can use his base speed and Danzo wud have to block instead of using the ka because ka is not instant like Susanoo or Kirin. Danzo wud block and then its over for him. How can u argue with that?
Firstly are you saying you can't dodge a kunai? you must be retarded.. seriously, Tobi didn't dodge the kunai because he didn't know minato could teleport to it.....He didn't see it as a threat.....Danzo someone living in konoha since the 2nd hokage era, would know about the former hokages abilities..... And you do realize even if he gets a seal on him, Izanagi will remove it right? Anything inflicted on the target is turned into a illusion... even death.... poison him? illusion... once he izanagi's it the poison doesn't stay, the wounds don't stay, the seal won't stay....You start with a brand new body... logic my friend...
MinatoFLASH
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U call your opinions logic too much. How do u know he wud know exactly how ftg works, he was probably too busy working with the Anbus. What about Minato's base speed? He too slow to dodge that. Tobi on the other hand had studied the 4th. A seal is different than wounds or poison, far far different, u wud know that if u read the manga. A seal stays bro, like an Edo tensei heals from all wounds and stuff but the seal wud stay and if its a seal to put him to death then it wud also stay, nothing can just move seals off and u have no proof of that, sorry but it looks like Minato wins.
Obviously you're a Danzo fan so no getting through to you
Sage mode 10 secs tops and unlimited chakra with ma and pa summons
Danzo only 10 minutes of Izanagi can't control wood Justus and was always weaker than hiruzen
Jiraiya surpassed hiruzen because students surpas teacher eventually
If an opponent knows danzos techs then he's done :flaw: Danzo forced his way to hokage while jiraiya offered and refused (will of fire) look it up O.O
Jesus christ You are retarded
1)Minato is a short ranged fighter
^ thats all you ****ing need to know , to know that danzo wins this
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AT ANY distance like this Ka can be used , don't be a *******
And you do realize minato has to teleport to that kunai and get even closer to danzo? KA requires NO eye contact
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When he does get close simple genjutsu
And you question the distance ka can be used from?
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Look at the distance between naruto, the crow, and itachi who's on the bird with nagato.....
Before minato can even THROW his kunai he will get ka'd , you're obviously blinded by your fanboyism to realize that
Sage mode for jiraya requires him to clasp his hands together and prepare for around 6 mins, Try againObviously you're a Danzo fan so no getting through to you
Sage mode 10 secs tops and unlimited chakra with ma and pa summons
Danzo only 10 minutes of Izanagi can't control wood Justus and was always weaker than hiruzen
Jiraiya surpassed hiruzen because students surpas teacher eventually
If an opponent knows danzos techs then he's done :flaw: Danzo forced his way to hokage while jiraiya offered and refused (will of fire) look it up O.O
I would love to hear how jiraya is going to beat The strongest genjutsu in the world As stated by itachi, kabuto and tobi
This isn't about if danzo(without shishui's eye) can beat jiraya, no he can't .....This is about kotoamatsuki ......
Now if you have a counter to the strongest genjutsu in the world,please
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Darkakatsuki
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I don't give a damn about both these characters but for some reason decided to check it out and I must say that I have been enlightened.
I am appalled by the sheer level of hypocrisy that humans are capable of reaching, this is the worst case of hypocrisy I have witnessed in my life.
Owarij man my first impression of you in a hiruzen thread I participated in was a bad one but I must say that you have earned my respect in this thread.
Jayz said that a person shouldn't argue with fools because people from a distance can't tell who is who, so my advice to you is to stop arguing with these stuborn fools, you gave them damn near ABSOLUTE proof with the manga quotes that you posted and they saw/read the character's words and descriptions themselves and completely ignored them, you have consistently provided logical explanations and interpretations of the manga and most importantly, you have consistently backed your coments with HARDCORE MANGA FACTS so how these fools can still remain against you, it is really frustrating when a fool calls you a fool, or a hypocrite calls you a hypocrite so I understand your frustration.
I don't know why people think that Jiraiya is the almighty kami of the naruto verse when we have only seen him lose and never seen him win a battle. He lost to hanzo, he lost to pain, and he failed to defeat orochimaru when he tried to bring him back, so why people think he is invincible is beyond me.
KA would undoubtedly be enough to kill Jiraiya and you're right, Itachi DID say that the jutsu CONTROLS the individual by giving an ORDER to do something.
Bee DID confirm shisui to be the STRONGEST genjutsu user and Kabuto and Tobi did confirm it too.
Danzo destroyed shishui's eye and Tobi, who was able to COMPLETELY control the. 4th mizukage Yagura and the fox with his own eye confirmed that koto amatsukami was OP and was after shisui's powers like a dog in heat.
When he found out it was destroyed, he still REFUSED to give it to Kabuto and said that Kabuto should not push his luck, the ressurection of shishui would have given them a great advantage, so why refuse Kabuto?
There is only one logical explanation, he is afraid of that jutsu, and for someone who has been revealed to be the most knowledgeable person in the series to fear such a jutsu means something. Although there is also the possibilty that Tobi will resurect shishui himself since he now knows the edo tensei after kabuto explained it to him.
Nonetheless Jiraiya does not have a counter for that Jutsu.
Sage mode DID take FOREVER to activate against Pain, so we can safely conclude that Jiraiya would die long before he activated it with danzo's using KA on him, kishi does not need to spoon feed us everything, the information is available on manga and based on that information, Jiraiya would die either by killing himself or not dodging an attack because he was being controlled by the KA.
Even he got into sage mode it would not change anything, Danzo's izanagi would allow him to have too many second chances and he would inevitably kill Jiraiya.
People must not forget that sasuke is a GREATER battle tactician than Jiraiya.
Seriously even Tobi praised sasuke's observation and information gathering abilities during battle when he fought danzo and said that he used the sharingan in incredible ways.
Ji REALLY don't know why people keep saying Jiraiya, ma, and pa are intelligent.
It took Jiraiya all that tiime just to realise.that he knew the faces of the paths, till he was literally dead.
And it took even longer to realise someone was controlling them behind the scenes? Wasn't the shared vision and the summoning of the preta and human enough, wasn't the one jutsi per path thing also enough proof. The only reason he figured it out was because he recognised the others and more specifically, yahiko.
He was also dumb enough to believe that killing the first three paths was the end of it all? He should have realised that if that were going to be the end of the battle than at least konan would have tried to stop him from killing their deaths instead of just floating in the air and watching him kill her friend/friends.
As a shinobi, he should have made provision for the possibility of another path existing.
Plus given how long it took for them to set up the genjutsu, did he honestly think that pain didn't have his own plan set up during that time, like an S class shinobi would just walk into an OBVIOUS trap without a plan, only hidan would do that.
Jiraiya was stupid to believe that he could defeat the same guy who beat Hanzo in the Guy's own home ground.
Seriously, who goes into a locked down village and declare their intentions to kill the leader in his own village, that is the work of a criminal, jiraiya is a criminal, what he did is the same as what pein did in konoha.
Danzo is also stupid though, the way he used izanagi was incredibly stupid, he took too many unnecessary risks that eventually exposed him, although he would hhave won if Tobi didn't help sasuke.
There was a scene where sasuke was paralised and tobi used his eye technique to slow down danzo's sword that was gonna decapitate sasuke which bought sasuke enough time to activate sasuno'o, although both sasuke and danzo didn't seem to notice his intervention, even karin, a sensor type didn't notice it, strange.
Anyway I agree with what Owarij said, everything he said was backed up with manga fact so I go with him, Danzo wins.
Ow and sasuke is smarter than what people give him credit for, just look at his battle with itachi, deidara, and danzo, all the quick analyses, deception and tactics he used were really incredible, his observation skills in particular are potent, even though I hate him, I can't help but acknowledge at least that.
MInato against danzo?
I dunno, Minato was at his own level in terms of smarts and was hailed as the greatest seal and barrier master and was also hailed as a ninjutsu prodigy and genius, does he have a counter for KA? If anyone does than it is him.
Pain was able to put a mind barrier on one of his subordinates that Jiraiya captured, a barrier that protected the guy from interogation.
Minato, as a barrier expert and as the hokage would have known of the sharingan's mind control threat, as he noted that Tobi had to be madara based on the ability to control the kyubi, as a barrier expert of THE HIGHEST calibur, it is possible and logical that he would have placed a defensive barrier in his own mind against genjutsu, he was portryed as the type that is always prepaired for anything, but that barrier thing is just me speculating based on what we know about him from manga, I do not have absolute proof.
If my theory is insufficient, then he loses, if it holds true than minato would cream danzo.
And guys do not jump to the conclusion that minato was primarily just FTG and rasengan, his battles that were shown so far were HIGHLY DEFINED.
By that I mean there was only one specific way to fight his opponent and there was only one way to win.
Like his fight against tobi was a space time battle, it was all about who had the better space time jutsu and who could use it the most effectively, Tobi said it himself, no ninj or tai attacks work on him, minato needed to use his space time nin to beat him, hence hirashin and rasengan.
Same with his battle with A, no one has so far been able to use handseals in a battle where A is using his FULL speed, no normal ninjutsu will work and before he met minato, no one had ever matched his speed.
Once again this battle was all about speed, the faster opponent would win and minato needed to use his speed and rasengan to beat A, no time for handseal hence rasengan and if you aint fast enough to dodge A then you are dead, minato probably has a lot of other jutsu in his arsenal, just that the battles we have seen were highly defined.
Besides we already no that to become a jounin in konoha, from what kakashi said, you need to know at least two nature affinties and minato was the hokage, so he had elemental ninjutsu for sure.
This is further substantiated by the fact that he was also hailed as a ninjutsu genius. Also kakashi said that minato had planned to add his natural affinity into the rsengan so we know he did have an affinty which he mastered.
Anyway minato loses without the mind barrier, since that is speculation on my part, then he loses.
Nagato does not lose, the paths are dead and KA has not been shown to control corpses. If for some reason it does, than yes, like Owarij said, he just stops the chakra transmition to that particular path and then restarts it again, so no, unless danzo uses it on the real nagato, KA fails.
The danzo issue, danzo never planned to fight pain when he attacked konoha, that was why he killed the toad that was sent to call back naruto, he wanted the hokage to die so that he can take charge of konoha.
That was what he said to his root soldiers. Danzo would certainly lose his life, in this battle, Izanagi might not even work against pain, I doubt izanagi would be able to bring you back if your soul is removed by animal. Also we have seen that izangi does not restore the chakra that you lost, preta can just absorb danzo's chakra, all his wind jutsu are useless against preta and deva, baku will be countered with Animal's summons, Danzo does not stand a chance against nagato and his paths.
I am appalled by the sheer level of hypocrisy that humans are capable of reaching, this is the worst case of hypocrisy I have witnessed in my life.
Owarij man my first impression of you in a hiruzen thread I participated in was a bad one but I must say that you have earned my respect in this thread.
Jayz said that a person shouldn't argue with fools because people from a distance can't tell who is who, so my advice to you is to stop arguing with these stuborn fools, you gave them damn near ABSOLUTE proof with the manga quotes that you posted and they saw/read the character's words and descriptions themselves and completely ignored them, you have consistently provided logical explanations and interpretations of the manga and most importantly, you have consistently backed your coments with HARDCORE MANGA FACTS so how these fools can still remain against you, it is really frustrating when a fool calls you a fool, or a hypocrite calls you a hypocrite so I understand your frustration.
I don't know why people think that Jiraiya is the almighty kami of the naruto verse when we have only seen him lose and never seen him win a battle. He lost to hanzo, he lost to pain, and he failed to defeat orochimaru when he tried to bring him back, so why people think he is invincible is beyond me.
KA would undoubtedly be enough to kill Jiraiya and you're right, Itachi DID say that the jutsu CONTROLS the individual by giving an ORDER to do something.
Bee DID confirm shisui to be the STRONGEST genjutsu user and Kabuto and Tobi did confirm it too.
Danzo destroyed shishui's eye and Tobi, who was able to COMPLETELY control the. 4th mizukage Yagura and the fox with his own eye confirmed that koto amatsukami was OP and was after shisui's powers like a dog in heat.
When he found out it was destroyed, he still REFUSED to give it to Kabuto and said that Kabuto should not push his luck, the ressurection of shishui would have given them a great advantage, so why refuse Kabuto?
There is only one logical explanation, he is afraid of that jutsu, and for someone who has been revealed to be the most knowledgeable person in the series to fear such a jutsu means something. Although there is also the possibilty that Tobi will resurect shishui himself since he now knows the edo tensei after kabuto explained it to him.
Nonetheless Jiraiya does not have a counter for that Jutsu.
Sage mode DID take FOREVER to activate against Pain, so we can safely conclude that Jiraiya would die long before he activated it with danzo's using KA on him, kishi does not need to spoon feed us everything, the information is available on manga and based on that information, Jiraiya would die either by killing himself or not dodging an attack because he was being controlled by the KA.
Even he got into sage mode it would not change anything, Danzo's izanagi would allow him to have too many second chances and he would inevitably kill Jiraiya.
People must not forget that sasuke is a GREATER battle tactician than Jiraiya.
Seriously even Tobi praised sasuke's observation and information gathering abilities during battle when he fought danzo and said that he used the sharingan in incredible ways.
Ji REALLY don't know why people keep saying Jiraiya, ma, and pa are intelligent.
It took Jiraiya all that tiime just to realise.that he knew the faces of the paths, till he was literally dead.
And it took even longer to realise someone was controlling them behind the scenes? Wasn't the shared vision and the summoning of the preta and human enough, wasn't the one jutsi per path thing also enough proof. The only reason he figured it out was because he recognised the others and more specifically, yahiko.
He was also dumb enough to believe that killing the first three paths was the end of it all? He should have realised that if that were going to be the end of the battle than at least konan would have tried to stop him from killing their deaths instead of just floating in the air and watching him kill her friend/friends.
As a shinobi, he should have made provision for the possibility of another path existing.
Plus given how long it took for them to set up the genjutsu, did he honestly think that pain didn't have his own plan set up during that time, like an S class shinobi would just walk into an OBVIOUS trap without a plan, only hidan would do that.
Jiraiya was stupid to believe that he could defeat the same guy who beat Hanzo in the Guy's own home ground.
Seriously, who goes into a locked down village and declare their intentions to kill the leader in his own village, that is the work of a criminal, jiraiya is a criminal, what he did is the same as what pein did in konoha.
Danzo is also stupid though, the way he used izanagi was incredibly stupid, he took too many unnecessary risks that eventually exposed him, although he would hhave won if Tobi didn't help sasuke.
There was a scene where sasuke was paralised and tobi used his eye technique to slow down danzo's sword that was gonna decapitate sasuke which bought sasuke enough time to activate sasuno'o, although both sasuke and danzo didn't seem to notice his intervention, even karin, a sensor type didn't notice it, strange.
Anyway I agree with what Owarij said, everything he said was backed up with manga fact so I go with him, Danzo wins.
Ow and sasuke is smarter than what people give him credit for, just look at his battle with itachi, deidara, and danzo, all the quick analyses, deception and tactics he used were really incredible, his observation skills in particular are potent, even though I hate him, I can't help but acknowledge at least that.
MInato against danzo?
I dunno, Minato was at his own level in terms of smarts and was hailed as the greatest seal and barrier master and was also hailed as a ninjutsu prodigy and genius, does he have a counter for KA? If anyone does than it is him.
Pain was able to put a mind barrier on one of his subordinates that Jiraiya captured, a barrier that protected the guy from interogation.
Minato, as a barrier expert and as the hokage would have known of the sharingan's mind control threat, as he noted that Tobi had to be madara based on the ability to control the kyubi, as a barrier expert of THE HIGHEST calibur, it is possible and logical that he would have placed a defensive barrier in his own mind against genjutsu, he was portryed as the type that is always prepaired for anything, but that barrier thing is just me speculating based on what we know about him from manga, I do not have absolute proof.
If my theory is insufficient, then he loses, if it holds true than minato would cream danzo.
And guys do not jump to the conclusion that minato was primarily just FTG and rasengan, his battles that were shown so far were HIGHLY DEFINED.
By that I mean there was only one specific way to fight his opponent and there was only one way to win.
Like his fight against tobi was a space time battle, it was all about who had the better space time jutsu and who could use it the most effectively, Tobi said it himself, no ninj or tai attacks work on him, minato needed to use his space time nin to beat him, hence hirashin and rasengan.
Same with his battle with A, no one has so far been able to use handseals in a battle where A is using his FULL speed, no normal ninjutsu will work and before he met minato, no one had ever matched his speed.
Once again this battle was all about speed, the faster opponent would win and minato needed to use his speed and rasengan to beat A, no time for handseal hence rasengan and if you aint fast enough to dodge A then you are dead, minato probably has a lot of other jutsu in his arsenal, just that the battles we have seen were highly defined.
Besides we already no that to become a jounin in konoha, from what kakashi said, you need to know at least two nature affinties and minato was the hokage, so he had elemental ninjutsu for sure.
This is further substantiated by the fact that he was also hailed as a ninjutsu genius. Also kakashi said that minato had planned to add his natural affinity into the rsengan so we know he did have an affinty which he mastered.
Anyway minato loses without the mind barrier, since that is speculation on my part, then he loses.
Nagato does not lose, the paths are dead and KA has not been shown to control corpses. If for some reason it does, than yes, like Owarij said, he just stops the chakra transmition to that particular path and then restarts it again, so no, unless danzo uses it on the real nagato, KA fails.
The danzo issue, danzo never planned to fight pain when he attacked konoha, that was why he killed the toad that was sent to call back naruto, he wanted the hokage to die so that he can take charge of konoha.
That was what he said to his root soldiers. Danzo would certainly lose his life, in this battle, Izanagi might not even work against pain, I doubt izanagi would be able to bring you back if your soul is removed by animal. Also we have seen that izangi does not restore the chakra that you lost, preta can just absorb danzo's chakra, all his wind jutsu are useless against preta and deva, baku will be countered with Animal's summons, Danzo does not stand a chance against nagato and his paths.
TheGr8Uchiha
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Your right, anybody who says Jiraiya can go into sage mode real fast or in 10 seconds obviously did not see the pein vs jiraiya fight. It took Jiraiya AGES to go into sage mode!!
karol the don
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Rofl at the posts in this thread. arrogant posters acting like what they say is fact and anyone who says otherwise is retarded when they;er wrong in the first place
I absolutekl y love Baka Sennin's posts early on in the thread. Personally I think Jiraiya destroys Danzo, but I'm not going so far to say the other side are retards if they would ever think to choose Danzo.
...if they're doing it purely because they're jealous that Jiraiya>their favorite character, then I'd reconsider
I absolutekl y love Baka Sennin's posts early on in the thread. Personally I think Jiraiya destroys Danzo, but I'm not going so far to say the other side are retards if they would ever think to choose Danzo.
...if they're doing it purely because they're jealous that Jiraiya>their favorite character, then I'd reconsider
USSJ Future Trunks
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danzo casts KA. jiraiya kills himself. danzo laughs.
what can danzo do to cause a fatal injury to jiraiya? the only thing he has it the cursed seal,
KA control, wind bullets, wind sword, normal sword, mokuton restraining,
can he outlast danzo while being hit by wind bullets, baku, fuuton sword, mokuton, CS?
um no he isnt. sasuke is a once in a generation genius. jiraiya needed fukasaku to figure out pain
how? killing 10 times doesnt mean his 11 minutes of izanagi runs out
what can danzo do to cause a fatal injury to jiraiya? the only thing he has it the cursed seal,
KA control, wind bullets, wind sword, normal sword, mokuton restraining,
it was danzo who almost won easily with curse seal. getting mad about itachi saved sasukes life
danzo has endless lives for 11 minutes
you seriously think he can lose to hiruzen? and yes he can control it. just not when already close to dying. and its 11 minutes. an eternity for someone without unlimited chakra
Uchihagodzzz
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Simple Math
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izanagi allows the user to alter reality and imagination,if danzo is tagged and he uses izanagi,the seal will become part of an imagination,while danzo's body stays a reality,that is why izanagi is very OP,and even tobi didnt know danzo had izanagi before his match with sasuke,so minato knowing is unlikely.
Here,if danzo has KA he wins,jiraiya probably dosent know abt izanagi,if he manages to kill danzo,he could be ambushed.
VisionOfDisorder
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Jiraiya wins with high difficulty. His intelligence and certainly his battle experience rival Danzo but Jman has a much better move set and is still young enough to fight as his "prime".
Shikamaru101
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Danzo wins because he is not letting Jiraiya get into sage mode. KA FTW. Even without KA, Danzo would beat Jiraiya unless he manages to get into sage mode. If Jiraiya does get into sage mode, Danzo will have a hard time beating Jiraiya because of Jiraiya's superior stamina, healing abilities combined with hair defence to protect him from wind bullets and also fast reflexes to avoid getting cursed.
Still Jiraiya can still be caught off guard eventually by Danzo and get paralysed despite his reflexes but than again, Jiraiya is not a CQC fighter unlike Sasuke so he is probably not going to fall for it.
All in all Danzo wins the majority of the times unless Danzo chooses not to use KA and carelessly let Jiraiya enter sage mode.
Still Jiraiya can still be caught off guard eventually by Danzo and get paralysed despite his reflexes but than again, Jiraiya is not a CQC fighter unlike Sasuke so he is probably not going to fall for it.
All in all Danzo wins the majority of the times unless Danzo chooses not to use KA and carelessly let Jiraiya enter sage mode.