Jiraya vs Danzo
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Baka Sennin
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Jiraiya easily. Sasuke's only problem with danzou was that he kept spamming high chakra costs ms techniques and it was an issue wether he'd outlast danzo's izanagi or not. jiraiya has much better chakra reserves and can get into sm and further outlast danzo. he also has good fire jutsu>wind, summons to help him out (danzo isn't that mobile), a ton of variety of jutsu to keep danzo using his izanagi, he doesn't have a chance.
and btw, KA is not an answer. saying using KA and making jiraiya kill himself is stupid, we know nothing about how that technique can be used in battle, what it does is that it allows the user to manipulate without being detected. so it could very well force jiraiya to walk away or to become danzo's new protector, but i doubt it would force him to kill himself. the twice it's been shown, it's been shown to manipulate, not used offensively like tsukuyomi. so that type of answer is pure speculation
and btw, KA is not an answer. saying using KA and making jiraiya kill himself is stupid, we know nothing about how that technique can be used in battle, what it does is that it allows the user to manipulate without being detected. so it could very well force jiraiya to walk away or to become danzo's new protector, but i doubt it would force him to kill himself. the twice it's been shown, it's been shown to manipulate, not used offensively like tsukuyomi. so that type of answer is pure speculation
Blaze Release
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Firstly i cannot see jiraiya killing danzo 10 times without him getting any fatal injuries.
As for KA, danzo doesnt need to command jiraiay to kill himself. He can command him to not defend himself when danzo attacks xd.
Anyway people should leave out KA because its just not fair. Also we havent seen it in an actual fight. Most likely because kishi knew it isnt fair
Do you read wtf you're saying? Ka manipulates you to do what ever you told the person to do.... Tell the person Protect Konoha they protect Konoha, tell the person kill there selves they kill thereselves, they don't know they are in a genjutsu, they think they're doing it on their own accord, don't be and ass hole, why do you think When kabuto asked for shishui's dna , he said don't push your luck...........
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ITACHI says the genjutsu is a "ORDER" to protect Konoha.......wtf are you saying....can't danzo ORDER jiraya to kill himself?
Or ORDER him to stand still land don't move
Or other him to do some other ridiculous thing?
don't be an ass hole....
Baka Sennin
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as i said, we know nothing about that jutsu. it's been shown twice, the twice to manipulate, not to use in battle. and ao fought shisui, danzo took an eye, if the jutsu was all in battle neither would be around to talk about it and shisui would be known for his eyes not for his body flicker.
and secondly, jiraiya just has to keep danzo using izanagi for 10minutes, not kill him 10 times. what can danzo do to cause a fatal injury to jiraiya? the only thing he has it the cursed seal, and in that case jiraiya has his summon to protect him. that baku is a clear target for a simple flame jutsu, and his wind jutsu, while cool, are simply nothing special. sasuke would have defeated him easily if he didn't get pissed off about itachi, instead he put out some 7 ms techniques, and barely lasted 10 minutes. jiraiya has much larger chakra reserves, and with sm he'll beat danzo to death.
Baka Sennin
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you're the only one being an *******, that is still speculation on your part. you take too many liberties with techniques, like with tsukuyomi and kirin for example, when we're shown nothing to support your theories. what you're saying is just a stretch of the imagination. KA has been used so far, to instill ideas into people, not to force them to do something. It MANIPULATES. it put the idea in mifune to elect danzo, and in itachi to protect konoha. you don't manipulate someone to stand still in a fight or to kill themselves.
You must be dense....Ao said he fought and saw shishui's genjutsu before....that doesn't mean it was used on him....could have been anyone he was with....
2ndly itachi said he made the eye produce a order to protect Konoha, He also said it controls the person without them knowing.....
If he ORDERED it to protect Konoha, are you saying he can't ORDER jiraya to not move?
WTF? Are you even saying, itachi was in a battle when it got casted on him.....
PUT IDEAS IN THEIR HEAD? LMAOO
ITACHI says right here it CONTROLS a person without them knowing....GTFO PLZ with your speculation BS, when the jutsu abilities is clearly stated in the manga
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ITACHI says right here it CONTROLS a person without them knowing....GTFO PLZ with your speculation BS, when the jutsu abilities is clearly stated in the manga
Blaze Release
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We can do this all day but cba. Battle it has been shown in battle, unless you dont class itachi and nagato vs bee and naruto as a battle. It gained control of itachi. Danzo taking his right eye is common sense that he gave it to him, the same way he gave the other to itachi. Danzo was the leader of root and from what we know he has the same ideas as danzo.
Shisui was also knows for his eyes or are we forgetting what bee said about him being the strongest genjutsu user. By strongest genjutsu user, i take it literally. Its obvious its was because of KA.
Also you make it sound as if, jiraiya would automativcally figure out how izanagi works and even if he does he cannot stop danzo from using it.
We didnt see all of danzo's techniques because sasuke pressured him into using izanagi. This was sasuke's feat due to his extremely fast techniuqes. Also suanoo helped alot in offence and defence.
Anyway lets end it. We believe in different things
Baka Sennin
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easy with the insults, and easy with the speculation. it doesn't give any credibility to your ideas you know.
you're just making stuff up. shisui faced him but was lucky enough not to get the technique used on him, but on a comrade who we don't even know was there or not. danzou stole an eye, yet he also escaped without being forced to kill himself. these are the facts, what you're saying is speculation. yeah it can instill a concept like protect konoha, and the victim will respond accordingly. but until we see that genjutsu used as a weapon to hamsting the opponet, it's just speculation that it can do so. just like it's speculation that sasuke can spam kirin when we've been told it's a one-shot jutsu by zetsu, or that tsukuyomi can be held indefinitely due to itachi's mastery of time inside it, depsite the max we've been shown is 3 days and itachi had to retreat after.
Baka Sennin
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fair enough. i'll just make a couple of points and then we'll end the discussion civilly.
i wouldn't say shisui had the same ideals as danzo, yeah the whole from the shadows/ self-sacrifice thing fits but their methods don't, itachi mentioned shisui being much more like naruto. add to that that danzou believed in might as the means to peace, and i can see him very easily stealing shisui's eye for his own ends.
for the battle part yes, but not in the way owarij is saying, to kill himself or whatever stupid command he can think of. i never suggested that danzo can't, say, make jiraiya his new bodyguard. that's within the shown capabilities of the jutsu. but it hasn't been shown to incapactiate the victim in the traditional sense. i can easily see how people can make the jump to that conclusion, but people take way too many liberties with genjutsu as far as i'm concerned. it's a very powerful tool, but it has limits and weaknesses. people just assume you can do anything.
jiraiya doesn't need to figure out izanagi,at least immediately, and i'm not expecting he will. he just needs to keep plugging at him, like with pain, until he finds an opening. and don't forget that he will probably have 3 sets of eyes with ma and pa, along with a larger frog summon. they can unravel the technique. danzou could have more jutsu i suppose, but we don't know about them and personally i think he had more than enough time to do them if he wanted to, but he kept using wind jutsu and wind-amplified weapons. i do agree that sasuke managed to keep him on the back foot and that that was his feat, which is why i don't rate danzou that much really. he was immortal for 10m flat yet he still couldnt sieze control of the match, sasuke basically flattened him except for 2 instances.
The amount of stupid emanating from your posts is astounding.... Do you know danzo fought shishui? Do you know it wasn't root...Did itachi even say there was a fking fight? speculation speculation and more speculation...and you tell me about speculating? A man who knew he was going to die in a while via itachi and his uchiha massacre, would fight for his life for what reason? he helped itachi get ms, he let itachi kill him......
You must be crazy, yup, you have to be...you think ka puts a thought into the persons head, and whether they like it or not, they choose to go with it? LMAO, thats the bigest load of bullshit that directly contradicts with everything that was shown in the manga.....Itachi said it CONTROLS ...... not any of the speculated bullshit you are spewing atm.....If it only puts ideas into the person head, why did tobi fear it? why did tobi not want kabuto to use it on him? surely it wouldn't work on tobi, his goals are only moon eye plan, Retard -_-
You sir are a retard, with logic like that, i can say
"Untill we see danzo get hit by a rasengan, he's immune to it"
Untill we see danzo get hit by swamp underworld, he's immune to it"
its just speculation that he's not.....You sir are an *******......ITS CLEARLY stated that the jutsu ORDERS, and CONTROLS, note those two key words please, Lets have a little english lesson because you obviously skipped a few classes
or·der : Verb Give an authoritative direction or instruction to do something: "her father ordered her back home"; "the judge ordered a retrial".
con·trol : Noun:The power to direct people's behavior or the course of events.
THOSE were the words used to describe KA, any other bullshit that you said is speculation,
NOWHERE in the manga does it say that, you tell me i'm speculating? you bloody hell hypocrit, The manga says it orders and CONTROLS the person without them knowing
MinatoFLASH
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This^^ rep+ for saying exactly what I meant to say.
Jiraiya with Mid-high difficulty.
according to u no1 could beat danzo , he just would say kill yourself
if u asked kishi : who would win danzo or minato who you think he would answer?
MinatoFLASH
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LOL well said rep+.
This guy thinks that if Nagato and Itachi fight Danzo together then Danzo wud win 100% of the time.
Thats how much of a fanboy he is of Danzo!
No noone can beat danzo or shishui 1v1, if his eyes aren't on cd(cooldown)
DO YOU people not get how over powered they were?
KABUTO AND TOBI the two end villians were after them like HUNGRY DOGS, Kishi put a 10 YEAR nerf on it...10 yearsssss because they were so OP ,not only a 10 year nerf, but Kishi made SURE to remove BOTH eyes from existence..
Danzo destroying it, Itachi amaterasuing it
/ arguing with retards is impossible , I can only give up, as itachi said " The most Powerful genjutsu of existance", Is being Underrated on this forums, jesus christ
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""Its his eye!!!! there is only 1 genjutsu powerful enough to do this!
You people don't deserve to read this manga
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