Jiraya & tobi should get more credit than naruto!
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Uchiha Josephus
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Don Roberto
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Jackmanben4
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In a cruel and sick way, yes :|
This war has cost 40,000 Shinobi their lives on the first day. Just imagine how many are dead after Madara's Giant Meatballs hit the ground.
Tobi definitely does not deserve more credit than Naruto.
Jiraiya has been credited enough. I agree that Jiraiya did something great in the shinobi world but the story revolves around Naruto. Its called "Naruto" it is not called "the ninja world", it is called "Naruto", the developement of the story is towads "Naruto" so it is only natural for Naruto to be credited for every single act he does.
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Jiraiya deserves a lot of credit, he taught Minato and Jiraiya, also Nagato.
Naruto would not have been this powerful or skilled at all without Jiraiya's help. Alsoif jiraiya never met Nagato, Nagato and Naruto would have never met (maybe not)
Jiraiya deserves a huge amount of credit for what he has done, also naruto would have been slaughtered by pein if jiraiya didn't fight pein first.
As for tobi, he is the reason the 5 great nations joined together.
Naruto would not have been this powerful or skilled at all without Jiraiya's help. Alsoif jiraiya never met Nagato, Nagato and Naruto would have never met (maybe not)
Jiraiya deserves a huge amount of credit for what he has done, also naruto would have been slaughtered by pein if jiraiya didn't fight pein first.
As for tobi, he is the reason the 5 great nations joined together.
Honord Sage
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You can writhe all the arguments you want, but in the end someone must have the courage to put words into action and that person is Naruto, not Jiraiya and defiantly not Tobi.
Baka Sennin
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Jiraiya deserves a LOT of credit. he planted the seed of goodness in Nagato, as well as led Minato and Naruto down a great path.
however, Naruto has already surpassed Jiraiya even in that aspect.
he changed Neji
he changed Gaara from an evil jinchuuriki into a loved kage which has a direct effect on thousands. Gaara's speech united the shinobi army too.
he changed Tsunade from a bitter old woman into a hokage which again has a big effect on thousands.
those two have a direct impact on the kage summit.
he also has done some good in changing Oonoki, some through Gaara and some through his clone.
him and Bee have done some work in changing A into a more trusting and altruistic Kage, when he was mostly a selfish and arrogant one.
he got Nagato to revive the whole village, and Konan to believe in him as well (who almost killed off Tobi btw, and Nagato using rinne tensei sabotaged Tobi's plan in some way)
not to mention the work he's done with the bijuu. he might have gotten rid of all their hate for good, which is pretty huge considering how much they are hated and feared by ninja.
so I'd say he's done quite a bit.
however, Naruto has already surpassed Jiraiya even in that aspect.
he changed Neji
he changed Gaara from an evil jinchuuriki into a loved kage which has a direct effect on thousands. Gaara's speech united the shinobi army too.
he changed Tsunade from a bitter old woman into a hokage which again has a big effect on thousands.
those two have a direct impact on the kage summit.
he also has done some good in changing Oonoki, some through Gaara and some through his clone.
him and Bee have done some work in changing A into a more trusting and altruistic Kage, when he was mostly a selfish and arrogant one.
he got Nagato to revive the whole village, and Konan to believe in him as well (who almost killed off Tobi btw, and Nagato using rinne tensei sabotaged Tobi's plan in some way)
not to mention the work he's done with the bijuu. he might have gotten rid of all their hate for good, which is pretty huge considering how much they are hated and feared by ninja.
so I'd say he's done quite a bit.