jiraya and tsunade vs sasuke EMS

[lswhyte123]

How the hell is this a good thread? The guy is comparing unknown EMS strenght.

From what we know, the EMS doesn't double the power people have or anything like that. All we can assume is that it gives the user vision that doesn't fade and allows for a more complete form of ocular techniques. It's gonna be cool to see what he can do, but Madara's EMS hasnt made his Susanoo super immortal and awesome or invinsible. The meteor was due to rinnegan & sharingan. So assume that EMS is MS without the blurred vision and slighly more chakra and the eye techniques of the person it came from.

 

[-Vegeta-]

From what we know, the EMS doesn't double the power people have or anything like that. All we can assume is that it gives the user vision that doesn't fade and allows for a more complete form of ocular techniques. It's gonna be cool to see what he can do, but Madara's EMS hasnt made his Susanoo super immortal and awesome or invinsible. The meteor was due to rinnegan & sharingan. So assume that EMS is MS without the blurred vision and slighly more chakra and the eye techniques of the person it came from.

It was already stated ems gives the user a special technique. Also Madara's using an incomplete form of susanoo.

 

['Kurapika]

You're not serious are you? Jiraiya's my favorite character, but Sasuke has surpassed him just like Naruto has.

dude sasuke couldn't beat bee :| and his sharingan wasn't fading either
he might have more power but he lacks experience , + nagato had the advantage that he knew everything jiraiya can do and jiraiya had no info on him

 

[lswhyte123]

Neither Tsunade or Jiraiya have shown anything that proves they could avoid amaterasu or susanoo's arrows. Experience isn't everything.

Experience isn't everything, but it does stand for something. It's skill vs experience. Which is like 1-1. There are two of them as well. There's no proof that either J or T have (he just realised, it's JT...timberlake lol) anything that can block or avoid the amaterasu, but J was aware of the technique when Itachi used it, so would probably expect it.

 

[-Vegeta-]

dude sasuke couldn't beat bee :| and his sharingan wasn't fading either
he might have more power but he lacks experience , + nagato had the advantage that he knew everything jiraiya can do and jiraiya had no info on him

And Bee is stronger than Jiraiya so that entire point is meaningless.

Experience isn't everything, but it does stand for something. It's skill vs experience. Which is like 1-1. There are two of them as well. There's no proof that either J or T have (he just realised, it's JT...timberlake lol) anything that can block or avoid the amaterasu, but J was aware of the technique when Itachi used it, so would probably expect it.

Jiraiya had no idea what amaterasu was when Itachi used it. Here's the scan to prove it.

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[NarutoDude]

the real question is. will jiraya get into sagemode before tsunade dies?

 

[Rafeal brown]

Sasuke would win. Neither jiraiya nor tsunade has the speed feat to escape amaterasu... Susanoo's brute strength> tsunade's brute strength...

 

[TheSleepyAkatsuki]

Personally, I think Sasuke. Cause, let's face it. When Itachi and kisame attacked Jariya, he was useless to It's mangekyo sharringan. Sasuke has the EMS. Now, if you look at them all. Jariya was close range and a Rasengen 'spammer'. Meaning he would have to come close to Sasuke, aswell as Tusnade. Sasuke can attack from a range, aswell as fight at a close range. Plus, the genjutsu bonus and ninjutsu upgrade the EMS gives him? Sasuke pretty much has it in a bag. But I am open to a argument, please. No one liners.

 

[NarutoDude]

itachi and kisame are on a way other level than those 2 sassins

 

[Rafeal brown]

dude sasuke couldn't beat bee :| and his sharingan wasn't fading either
he might have more power but he lacks experience , + nagato had the advantage that he knew everything jiraiya can do and jiraiya had no info on him

That was before sasuke even learnt how to use susanoo and amaterasu.
He learnt amaterasu in the middle of the fight... Bee can't beat current sasuke.

 

['Kurapika]

And Bee is stronger than Jiraiya so that entire point is meaningless.

dude jiraiya can turn you into a frog if he touches your head
he developed a technique that turns him invisible

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he can turn himself into a shadow of any object , giving him an easy way to launch stealth attacks

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he can surround himself with a barrier killing any chance for sasuke to launch a sneaky attack

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he can freaking suck you into a frog's stomach

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he was the only one shown in the manga capable of sealing ametresu when he met itachi
he also he can also use three elements , fire which he is a master of , wind and water and is very capable at , making him able to create beasty combos

and he has the strongest summons yet to be shown in the manga + in sage mood he can not be caught in genjutsu thanks to having to frogs on his shoulders and the sharingan requires eye contact that can not be achieved with three eyes at the same time (physics)

 

[NarutoDude]

dude jiraiya can turn you into a frog if he touches your head
he developed a technique that turns him invisible

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he can turn himself into a shadow of any object , giving him an easy way to launch stealth attacks

You must be registered for see links

he can surround himself with a barrier killing any chance for sasuke to launch a sneaky attack

You must be registered for see links

he can freaking suck you into a frog's stomach

You must be registered for see links

he was the only one shown in the manga capable of sealing ametresu when he met itachi
he also he can also use three elements , fire which he is a master of , wind and water and is very capable at , making him able to create beasty combos

and he has the strongest summons yet to be shown in the manga + in sage mood he can not be caught in genjutsu thanks to having to frogs on his shoulders and the sharingan requires eye contact that can not be achieved with three eyes at the same time (physics)

agreeddddd

 

[-Vegeta-]

dude jiraiya can turn you into a frog if he touches your head
he developed a technique that turns him invisible

You must be registered for see links

he can turn himself into a shadow of any object , giving him an easy way to launch stealth attacks

You must be registered for see links

he can surround himself with a barrier killing any chance for sasuke to launch a sneaky attack

You must be registered for see links

he can freaking suck you into a frog's stomach

You must be registered for see links

he was the only one shown in the manga capable of sealing ametresu when he met itachi
he also he can also use three elements , fire which he is a master of , wind and water and is very capable at , making him able to create beasty combos

and he has the strongest summons yet to be shown in the manga + in sage mood he can not be caught in genjutsu thanks to having to frogs on his shoulders and the sharingan requires eye contact that can not be achieved with three eyes at the same time (physics)

None of this explains how Jiraiya will dodge amaterasu or susanoo's arrows. He can't seal amaterasu when it's burning him. I'm not denying that Jiraiya's an extremely powerful ninja, but there are already people who've surpassed him and Sasuke's one of them.

 

[Owarij]

Tsunade gets killed by 1 amaterasu easily , Jiraya also with either susanno arrows or amaterasu

 

['Kurapika]

None of this explains how Jiraiya will dodge amaterasu or susanoo's arrows. He can't seal amaterasu when it's burning him. I'm not denying that Jiraiya's an extremely powerful ninja, but there are already people who've surpassed him and Sasuke's one of them.

where will susanoo aim when jiraiya turns him self into a shadow
don't tell me sasuke is a sensor to , and ametresu isn't that hard to dodge as well and it requires that nothing is between jiraya and sasuke
sasuke will just keep firing up susano and spamming ametresu until he has no more chakra and jiraiya will go into sage mode and get free unlimited chakra from the nature

 

[TheSleepyAkatsuki]

Yes, but remember he needs help from the toads to enter sage mode. Now, if you think of it. Jariya - Inperfect sage
Naruto - perfect and destroyed pain who killed Jariya.
Sasuke - On the same level, maybe stronger or weaker then Naruto.

 

[-Vegeta-]

where will susanoo aim when jiraiya turns him self into a shadow
don't tell me sasuke is a sensor to , and ametresu isn't that hard to dodge as well and it requires that nothing is between jiraya and sasuke
sasuke will just keep firing up susano and spamming ametresu until he has no more chakra and jiraiya will go into sage mode and get free unlimited chakra from the nature

Amaterasu is instant. Wherever the user looks it appears right there. A has been the only one shown to dodge this and please don't say Jiraiya is as fast as A.

 

[NarutoDude]

Yes, but remember he needs help from the toads to enter sage mode. Now, if you think of it. Jariya - Inperfect sage
Naruto - perfect and destroyed pain who killed Jariya.
Sasuke - On the same level, maybe stronger or weaker then Naruto.

i think tsunade + summons if enough time for distraction

 

['Kurapika]

Yes, but remember he needs help from the toads to enter sage mode. Now, if you think of it. Jariya - Inperfect sage
Naruto - perfect and destroyed pain who killed Jariya.
Sasuke - On the same level, maybe stronger or weaker then Naruto.

pain pined naruto to the ground
the kayuobi is the one who defeated pain by making him lose all his chakra naruto couldn't survive the moon technique
and the toads come with an advantage and a disadvantage , they will prevent him from being caught in genjutsu and create strong combo's with him
+ naruto has much info on pain , and jiraiya didn't , and jiraiya could of went for a draw when he already captured one of the paths , but he decided to sacrifice himself for the sake of getting info

 

['Kurapika]

Amaterasu is instant. Wherever the user looks it appears right there. A has been the only one shown to dodge this and please don't say Jiraiya is as fast as A.

no he isn't but , jiraiya is a master of stealth , he can go invisible as i showed you in one of the links , he can just turn into a shadow , and if he get's hit he can seal the flames , because as we seen the flames won't burn you instantly , actually they has the same effect as normal flames except they can't be turned off until they burn you (the raikage must of held him self for a minute before he cute his arm)