Jiraiya's Premoniton , Minato/Madara , Yin/Yang Chakra

[SupremeSpoiler]

In the manga, Kyuubi has not been shown as its whole self, only as separate Yin & Yang manifestations.

Madara was not involved, yet involved in the Kyuubi attack on Konoha 16 years ago.

Minato battled Madara once, the Kyuubi twice, and sealed the Kyuubi twice on the same fateful night.
First let?s take a look at the Kyuubi and its appearances in Naruto. We?ll start with the first appearance in the timeline.

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Now for the second appearance.

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Now we know that the Kyuubi does in fact have both Yin and Yang chakra, and I believe that the Kyuubi has yet to be shown as its full self. For this to be true we will have to assume for now, that Madara could only summon the Yin manifestation of the Kyuubi. Look at the first image of Madara fighting along side the Kyuubi, and then the image of the Kyuubi when it attacked Konoha (Both of these pictures come from the same chapter) notice how the Kyuubi is shaded in so darkly in the first picture and is practically white in the second one. YES I know the Kyuubi is red, but as a very skilled Author AND an Artist, I can only believe Kishimoto did this for a reason. That reason was to hint that the Kyuubi can occur as separate Yin & Yang manifestations.

What I?m saying is; the Kyuubi Madara used to battle Shodai was the Yin manifestation of the Kyuubi, and the Kyuubi that attacked Konoha and was sealed by Minato was the Yang manifestation. That?s all for now concerning the Kyuubi, but I will support this further on if you would continue reading.

Ok, so it?s time to take a look at Madara and his relation to the Kyuubi. Madara has been shown as being able summon and to control the Kyuubi with his Sharingan. But I believe that he is in fact, only capable of controlling and summoning the Yin manifestation of the Kyuubi. Yin chakra is the dark chakra, and I believe that Yin chakra itself has some relation to the Sharingan. This can be viewed as the reason why Madara is capable of controlling and summoning the Nine Tails' Yin manifestation.

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We see here that Itachi says that Madara was behind the Nine Tails attack on Konoha.

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Now we see Madara saying that the Kyuubi?s occurrence in Konoha was a natural disaster. I believe that Itachi was telling the real truth, but in a way, Madara was not completely lying to Sasuke. This contradiction of Itachi and Madara can be solved through the explanation that the Yin & Yang Kyuubi manifestations BOTH occurred on the night Konoha was attacked.

Madara originally summoned the Yin manifestation of the Kyuubi to attack Konoha but he was intercepted by Minato and possibly Kushina. Madara was most likely defeated at this point, and the Yin manifestation of the Kyuubi was sealed into the death god. There is currently no explanation of Kushina?s death, so to support this theory, let?s say that she was used as the sacrifice to seal the Yin Kyuubi into the death god.

This is where Madara?s story ends, and where I will begin to focus once again on the Kyuubi and Minato.

First the Kyuubi, in order for me to explain how the Kyuubi manifested twice on the same night I will need to reference aspects of the Yin & Yang concept itself.
? Yin-yang Mutually Wax and Wane
o The Yin and yang aspects are in dynamic equilibrium. As one aspect declines, the other increases to an equal degree. For instance, in the cycle of the year, the long days of summer gradually shorten and the nights gradually lengthen as winter approaches. Throughout the process, however, the length of each day is constant (the equilibrium) while it is only the relative length of light and darkness that changes (is dynamic). (You can read the full explanation of Yin & Yang at this linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_yang)

As we see here, Yin & Yang exist in ?dynamic equilibrium?, do you see where I?m going with this? I?m saying that BECAUSE the Yin chakra manifestation of Kyuubi was SEALED away, the Yang manifestation arose in a nearby area (Konoha). This would prove that the Kyuubi did occur twice, and that Madara and Itachi were both telling the truth.

But there is a question that some may think presents a problem; Does this mean that the Yang manifestation also appeared after Shodai defeated Madara/Kyuubi at the Valley of the End? The answer is No. The Yang manifestation did not occur after the battle with Shodai, I believe this is because Shodai merely SUPPRESSED the Yin chakra manifestation of the Kyuubi, he did not remove it from the world by sealing it, like Minato did.

Finally, let?s move on to the greatest shinobi in history and his relation to the Kyuubi occurrence in Konoha.

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iraiya says that Minato split the Yin & Yang chakra in two, I believe most readers have taken this statement the wrong way. I believe Minato split the Yin & Yang chakra from each other by sealing away the Yin in the death god and leaving the Yang in existence by sealing it in Naruto.

We also see here Jiraiya explaining that Minato went through the TROUBLE of splitting the Yin & Yang chakra in two. Trouble indeed, Minato knew that if he suppressed the Yin chakra that Madara summoned, the Yang chakra manifestation would not form and he would not be able to seal it in his newborn son. This is why he SEALED away the Yin chakra (possibly using the willing Kushina as the sacrifice) instead of suppressing it like Shodai.

Now..About Jiraiya's Premonition..He knew that there is one that is able to control the kyuubi and thats Uchiha Madara..Why have that premoniton at the same chapter of the manga they were discussing kyuubi yin and yang's..?
its because minato knew that sealing away the yin chakra would prevent madara for controlling again the kyuubi..you can see in the first picture that when Senju fought the kyuubi..the color of the kyuubi was dark = yin ( if people says thats the shade of the moon noob..well then there's a moon at the 2nd attack of the kyuubi? am i right? why is it white? ) and at the second attack it was shaded black..anyway that all i can say about the premonition. hope you enjoyed..

And please wait for the theory i will make..this will be mind blowing and its about tobi having significance with a hokage

 

[SCaRFaCeD]

Very nice theory and presentation of each point.

 

[Steinbiz]

i see the logic in this clearly, maybe it's true, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[MS_Evolution]

can i just say when it comes to theories you're a joke lol this is too good
thanks for keeping up the great work. +rep for you

 

[QwertyHero]

Nice, 2 good theories in one day, your on a roll lol.
But yea, it definitely makes a lot of sense.
How both Itachi and Madara were telling the truth, very nice.
The one thin that I was wondering is if every Bijuu is this way?
Does every Bijuu have Yin and Yang chakra?
If so, wouldn't this be true with every Bijuu?
Also, why didn't Minato just seal both Yin and Yang Kyuubi's into the Death god?
And another thing, does this mean that both Kyuubi's have different personalities, like one's good and the other one [Sealed in Naruto] is evil?
Or maybe one is just a mindless beast [Hence why they call it a natural occurrence] and the other is...Well, kind of a condescending douche-bag.

 

[SupremeSpoiler]

Nice, 2 good theories in one day, your on a roll lol.
But yea, it definitely makes a lot of sense.
How both Itachi and Madara were telling the truth, very nice.
The one thin that I was wondering is if every Bijuu is this way?
Does every Bijuu have Yin and Yang chakra?
If so, wouldn't this be true with every Bijuu?
Also, why didn't Minato just seal both Yin and Yang Kyuubi's into the Death god?
And another thing, does this mean that both Kyuubi's have different personalities, like one's good and the other one [Sealed in Naruto] is evil?
Or maybe one is just a mindless beast [Hence why they call it a natural occurrence] and the other is...Well, kind of a condescending douche-bag.

i think only the 9 tails has this very unique trait..and for the question why did minato just seal both yin and yang kyuubi..maybe minato knew that madara is alive and the only way to supress him is by using the yang chakra of the kyuubi

 

[QwertyHero]

i think only the 9 tails has this very unique trait..and for the question why did minato just seal both yin and yang kyuubi..maybe minato knew that madara is alive and the only way to supress him is by using the yang chakra of the kyuubi

Hmmm, but if he would have sealed both the Yin and Yang Kyuubi, wouldn't that have totally eliminated the possibility of Madara doing anything with the Kyuubi?

 

[SupremeSpoiler]

Hmmm, but if he would have sealed both the Yin and Yang Kyuubi, wouldn't that have totally eliminated the possibility of Madara doing anything with the Kyuubi?

no what i mean is that minato maybe knew that madara was alive and immortal..and the only way to kill him is by using the yang chakra of kyuubi because we all know that the chakra of kyuubi is very destructive..maybe thats why its phrased "minato knew something of grave importance"

 

[QwertyHero]

no what i mean is that minato maybe knew that madara was alive and immortal..and the only way to kill him is by using the yang chakra of kyuubi because we all know that the chakra of kyuubi is very destructive..maybe thats why its phrased "minato knew something of grave importance"

Hmmm, I see what your saying, Madara wants to control the Kyuubi because it's the only thing that can kill him, and Minato sealed it away inside Naruto as to keep it away from Madara....
Right?

 

[SupremeSpoiler]

Hmmm, I see what your saying, Madara wants to control the Kyuubi because it's the only thing that can kill him, and Minato sealed it away inside Naruto as to keep it away from Madara....
Right?

partly right..

 

[Zurita210]

I couldnt really understand ur theory, let me get this straight. So ur saying that when Madara fought the 1st Hokage he used the bad chakra of the Kyubbi. Then the 2nd time when the Kyubbi showed up to Konoha, it was the good chakra of the 9 tails that showed up this time, and it was actually on its own, right?? That's when the 4th Hokage sealed it away in Naruto. So after the 4th sealed it away in Naruto, what happened to the bad chakra of the Kyubbi's, the one from when Madara first attacked ????

 

[SupremeSpoiler]

I couldnt really understand ur theory, let me get this straight. So ur saying that when Madara fought the 1st Hokage he used the bad chakra of the Kyubbi. Then the 2nd time when the Kyubbi showed up to Konoha, it was the good chakra of the 9 tails that showed up this time, and it was actually on its own, right?? That's when the 4th Hokage sealed it away in Naruto. So after the 4th sealed it away in Naruto, what happened to the bad chakra of the Kyubbi's, the one from when Madara first attacked ????

thats the yin and its sealed with the death god..read the theory again

 

[Zurita210]

thats the yin and its sealed with the death god..read the theory again

the death god being the frog that holds the key that was inside Jiraiya???

the death god being the frog that holds the key that was inside Jiraiya???

Man LOL im not understanding it. I read it again, the 4th sealed both ying and yang in the same night. He sealed the yin into the death god (which is what??) using Kunisha. Then he sealed the yang into Naruto sacrificing himself, but thats never told in the Manga or Anime. All it says is that the 4th sealed the 9 tails into Naruto and sacrificed himself using that jutsu that the 3rd uses to seal Orichumaru's arms.

the death god being the frog that holds the key that was inside Jiraiya???



Man LOL im not understanding it. I read it again, the 4th sealed both ying and yang in the same night. He sealed the yin into the death god (which is what??) using Kunisha. Then he sealed the yang into Naruto sacrificing himself, but thats never told in the Manga or Anime. All it says is that the 4th sealed the 9 tails into Naruto and sacrificed himself using that jutsu that the 3rd uses to seal Orichumaru's arms.

Im just tired, ill figure it out later

 

[SupremeSpoiler]

the death god being the frog that holds the key that was inside Jiraiya???



Man LOL im not understanding it. I read it again, the 4th sealed both ying and yang in the same night. He sealed the yin into the death god (which is what??) using Kunisha. Then he sealed the yang into Naruto sacrificing himself, but thats never told in the Manga or Anime. All it says is that the 4th sealed the 9 tails into Naruto and sacrificed himself using that jutsu that the 3rd uses to seal Orichumaru's arms.



Im just tired, ill figure it out later

im tired of explaining this..ill help you later..i have a class and im not sleeping yet T_T

 

[QwertyHero]

im tired of explaining this..ill help you later..i have a class and im not sleeping yet T_T

I'll explain it.
Yin and Yang are two things that cannot exists without one another.
Yin cannot exist without Yang and Vice Versa.
Now, when The Kyuubi attacked Konoha, Minato knew it was coming so him and Kushina left Konoha to intercept it before it actually got to Konoha.
When Minato got there, he realized that the only way to beat the Kyuubi is to seal him away in the belly of the Shinigami [The jutsu that the Third used against Orochimaru]
He used Kushina as a sacrifice to the Shinigami to seal away the Kyuubi.
BUT what Minato didn't know was that there are two parts to the Kyuubi.
Yin and Yang.
Minato had only sealed the Yin side of the beast, which caused the Yang side of the Kyuubi to reemerge near Konoha [Remember, Yin cannot exist without Yang, so now that the Yin was sealed away, the balance between the two was screwed up, which caused the Yang side to appear and ravage Konoha.]
When Minato arrived at Konoha, he saw that the Kyuubi once again appeared before him.
Now, Minato knew about Uchiha Madara AND his plan to eliminate Konoha, once he saw that there was two sides to the Kyuubi, Yin and Yang, he realized that the secret to stopping Madara's plan WAS in fact the Kyuubi itself.
[How did Minato know about Madara and his plan, you ask? Minato was the Hokage, so no doubt he had access to the files and reports of the previous Hokage's, Shodaime more than likely wrote a report about the events of the fight at the Valley of the End, and the events that lead up to it. Minato more than likely read it, so he knew what was up.]
That is why Minato couldn't seal the Kyuubi in the Shinigami's belly, because he knew that the Kyuubi was the only way to stop Madara, so he sealed it away [With the use of the Shinigami] inside his own, newborn son, Uzumaki Naruto.
This is supported by the fight with Madara and Shodaime at the Valley of the End.
Apparently, Madara was this invincible immortal, how could he be defeated by Shodaime?
Well here's how, Madara, as he stated himself, admired Shodaime and his strength. When Madara planned the Coup d'etat against Shodaime, he knew what kind of power he was up against, so to make sure his plan went off without a hitch, he asked for the power of the Kyuubi.
So now we go into the actual fight, Madara and Shodaime duking it out to see who is the better shinobi.
Madara is thoroughly whooping Shodaime's ass, but here is where everything changes, this is what sets off the chain of events that starts everything.
Shodaime now realizes that he can actually CONTROL the Kyuubi!
What was Madara's greatest ally is now his worst enemy as Shodaime is now using the Kyuubi against him!
Shodaime sees that Madara's one weakness is the Yang [or Yin?] chakra of the Kyuubi.
With that, Shodaime wins the dual at he Valley of the End, and sends Madara into exile, as he doesn't have the heart to kill him.
Now you may say, why didn't Shodaime seal away the Kyuubi right then and there, like he did with all the other Bijuu after the fight?
Well, Shodaime's powers were not at all that developed, and he didn't have the power to fully control the Kyuubi at that moment, so all he could was to let it go into the wild, hence why it is now classified as a natural disaster.
NOW, you may ask why didn't Shodaime go back later, after his powers were more developed, and seal the Kyuubi away?
Well, Shodaime didn't know what Minato figured out.
That the Kyuubi is not one entity, but two separate animals.
You can't possibly seal both of them at the same time, BUT if you seal them separately, as Minato did, you can put either Yin or Yang into a human host A.K.A, a Jinchuriki A.K.A, Uzumaki Naruto.

 

[SupremeSpoiler]

I'll explain it.
Yin and Yang are two things that cannot exists without one another.
Yin cannot exist without Yang and Vice Versa.
Now, when The Kyuubi attacked Konoha, Minato knew it was coming so him and Kushina left Konoha to intercept it before it actually got to Konoha.
When Minato got there, he realized that the only way to beat the Kyuubi is to seal him away in the belly of the Shinigami [The jutsu that the Third used against Orochimaru]
He used Kushina as a sacrifice to the Shinigami to seal away the Kyuubi.
BUT what Minato didn't know was that there are two parts to the Kyuubi.
Yin and Yang.
Minato had only sealed the Yin side of the beast, which caused the Yang side of the Kyuubi to reemerge near Konoha [Remember, Yin cannot exist without Yang, so now that the Yin was sealed away, the balance between the two was screwed up, which caused the Yang side to appear and ravage Konoha.]
When Minato arrived at Konoha, he saw that the Kyuubi once again appeared before him.
Now, Minato knew about Uchiha Madara AND his plan to eliminate Konoha, once he saw that there was two sides to the Kyuubi, Yin and Yang, he realized that the secret to stopping Madara's plan WAS in fact the Kyuubi itself.
[How did Minato know about Madara and his plan, you ask? Minato was the Hokage, so no doubt he had access to the files and reports of the previous Hokage's, Shodaime more than likely wrote a report about the events of the fight at the Valley of the End, and the events that lead up to it. Minato more than likely read it, so he knew what was up.]
That is why Minato couldn't seal the Kyuubi in the Shinigami's belly, because he knew that the Kyuubi was the only way to stop Madara, so he sealed it away [With the use of the Shinigami] inside his own, newborn son, Uzumaki Naruto.
This is supported by the fight with Madara and Shodaime at the Valley of the End.
Apparently, Madara was this invincible immortal, how could he be defeated by Shodaime?
Well here's how, Madara, as he stated himself, admired Shodaime and his strength. When Madara planned the Coup d'etat against Shodaime, he knew what kind of power he was up against, so to make sure his plan went off without a hitch, he asked for the power of the Kyuubi.
So now we go into the actual fight, Madara and Shodaime duking it out to see who is the better shinobi.
Madara is thoroughly whooping Shodaime's ass, but here is where everything changes, this is what sets off the chain of events that starts everything.
Shodaime now realizes that he can actually CONTROL the Kyuubi!
What was Madara's greatest ally is now his worst enemy as Shodaime is now using the Kyuubi against him!
Shodaime sees that Madara's one weakness is the Yang [or Yin?] chakra of the Kyuubi.
With that, Shodaime wins the dual at he Valley of the End, and sends Madara into exile, as he doesn't have the heart to kill him.
Now you may say, why didn't Shodaime seal away the Kyuubi right then and there, like he did with all the other Bijuu after the fight?
Well, Shodaime's powers were not at all that developed, and he didn't have the power to fully control the Kyuubi at that moment, so all he could was to let it go into the wild, hence why it is now classified as a natural disaster.
NOW, you may ask why didn't Shodaime go back later, after his powers were more developed, and seal the Kyuubi away?
Well, Shodaime didn't know what Minato figured out.
That the Kyuubi is not one entity, but two separate animals.
You can't possibly seal both of them at the same time, BUT if you seal them separately, as Minato did, you can put either Yin or Yang into a human host A.K.A, a Jinchuriki A.K.A, Uzumaki Naruto.

Thank You Very Much..

 

[Zurita210]

I'll explain it.
Yin and Yang are two things that cannot exists without one another.
Yin cannot exist without Yang and Vice Versa.
Now, when The Kyuubi attacked Konoha, Minato knew it was coming so him and Kushina left Konoha to intercept it before it actually got to Konoha.
When Minato got there, he realized that the only way to beat the Kyuubi is to seal him away in the belly of the Shinigami [The jutsu that the Third used against Orochimaru]
He used Kushina as a sacrifice to the Shinigami to seal away the Kyuubi.
BUT what Minato didn't know was that there are two parts to the Kyuubi.
Yin and Yang.
Minato had only sealed the Yin side of the beast, which caused the Yang side of the Kyuubi to reemerge near Konoha [Remember, Yin cannot exist without Yang, so now that the Yin was sealed away, the balance between the two was screwed up, which caused the Yang side to appear and ravage Konoha.]
When Minato arrived at Konoha, he saw that the Kyuubi once again appeared before him.
Now, Minato knew about Uchiha Madara AND his plan to eliminate Konoha, once he saw that there was two sides to the Kyuubi, Yin and Yang, he realized that the secret to stopping Madara's plan WAS in fact the Kyuubi itself.
[How did Minato know about Madara and his plan, you ask? Minato was the Hokage, so no doubt he had access to the files and reports of the previous Hokage's, Shodaime more than likely wrote a report about the events of the fight at the Valley of the End, and the events that lead up to it. Minato more than likely read it, so he knew what was up.]
That is why Minato couldn't seal the Kyuubi in the Shinigami's belly, because he knew that the Kyuubi was the only way to stop Madara, so he sealed it away [With the use of the Shinigami] inside his own, newborn son, Uzumaki Naruto.
This is supported by the fight with Madara and Shodaime at the Valley of the End.
Apparently, Madara was this invincible immortal, how could he be defeated by Shodaime?
Well here's how, Madara, as he stated himself, admired Shodaime and his strength. When Madara planned the Coup d'etat against Shodaime, he knew what kind of power he was up against, so to make sure his plan went off without a hitch, he asked for the power of the Kyuubi.
So now we go into the actual fight, Madara and Shodaime duking it out to see who is the better shinobi.
Madara is thoroughly whooping Shodaime's ass, but here is where everything changes, this is what sets off the chain of events that starts everything.
Shodaime now realizes that he can actually CONTROL the Kyuubi!
What was Madara's greatest ally is now his worst enemy as Shodaime is now using the Kyuubi against him!
Shodaime sees that Madara's one weakness is the Yang [or Yin?] chakra of the Kyuubi.
With that, Shodaime wins the dual at he Valley of the End, and sends Madara into exile, as he doesn't have the heart to kill him.
Now you may say, why didn't Shodaime seal away the Kyuubi right then and there, like he did with all the other Bijuu after the fight?
Well, Shodaime's powers were not at all that developed, and he didn't have the power to fully control the Kyuubi at that moment, so all he could was to let it go into the wild, hence why it is now classified as a natural disaster.
NOW, you may ask why didn't Shodaime go back later, after his powers were more developed, and seal the Kyuubi away?
Well, Shodaime didn't know what Minato figured out.
That the Kyuubi is not one entity, but two separate animals.
You can't possibly seal both of them at the same time, BUT if you seal them separately, as Minato did, you can put either Yin or Yang into a human host A.K.A, a Jinchuriki A.K.A, Uzumaki Naruto.

Aright, thanks for clearing that up. So Naruto has the Yang (good chakra) and the Yin is inside the God of Death. So the Yin chakra is inside that key that the frog that came out of Jiraiya's stomach is holding ????

 

[SupremeSpoiler]

Aright, thanks for clearing that up. So Naruto has the Yang (good chakra) and the Yin is inside the God of Death. So the Yin chakra is inside that key that the frog that came out of Jiraiya's stomach is holding ????

no the key is just a replacement in case the seal inside naruto is broken

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[Zurita210]

no the key is just a replacement in case the seal inside naruto is broken

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Aright got it. One more question, so does the Yin chakra exist or is it sealed away forever in the God of Death ??? So ur saying now that half of the 9 tails exist only cuz the other half got sealed away in the God of Death. Who's Kushina ?? Is that the 4th's wife?? cant remember her name.

 

[QwertyHero]

Aright, thanks for clearing that up. So Naruto has the Yang (good chakra) and the Yin is inside the God of Death. So the Yin chakra is inside that key that the frog that came out of Jiraiya's stomach is holding ????

No, the YANG chakra is inside Naruto and the YIN chakra is inside the Key.
Get it?
When Minato used the Shinigami the first time, Kushina offered herself as the sacrifice.
I should actually revise something, he didn't seal the Yin chakra inside the Shinigami's belly the first time, he sealed it inside the Key.
Why did he seal it inside the Key?
Probably because he knew if Konoha got control of the Kyuubi, he could easily protect Konoha from attacks, because at the time, Konoha was weak from the last Ninja War and very vulnerable to attack.
Little did Minato know that the Key would actually be the Key to Naruto's success.
[EDIT] Ok, after reading other people's post, I now think that the Key could have been used for more than one thing.
If the Kyuubi was ever needed, whether it be for Naruto's seal or otherwise, it would be there in that Key.