jiraiya's downfall

[shikionweed]

j-man could off prevented the whole situation konoha is in right now,

1. if he had only killed the ninja's he met and fought on he's journeys

2. the whole training nagato and the other two.

i just think maybe people are givin j-man to much credit without looking at his actions clearly....lol

jus wanna put this out there
R.I.P J-man

 

[Tsukuyomi]

Dumb Post.

J-mans aim was to set freedom in the ninja world and therefore his goal was to be as harmless as he could to reach his aims. Furthermore he has believed in the good behaviour of the people he taught.

He was unsure that Nagato became this character he now is. Cause its Pain for everyone in the ninja world that pain is existing in his rude way. He just taught them cause of the statements of the eldest toad which mentioned that his destiny will change the world and that it will be done from one of his students. So as he saw rinnegan he thought he could fullfill his dream of peace for all by teaching nagato.

Now at the end of his life he has seen thats naruto and therefore he made a great choice, he was that intelligent to give naruto all he needs to fullfil his own wishes.

in former mangas j-man asked naruto if he will inherit his last will.
So pls don't open these dumb threads if your knowledge is basicly near zero

 

[NarutoWind]

I completely have to agree with the above post. Jiraiya did not know it was going to become like this!

 

[Renegade]

Why was Pain angry with Jiraiya in the first place? Was it because he left them?

 

[6 paths of Pein]

Why was Pain angry with Jiraiya in the first place? Was it because he left them?

Pain wasn't angry as he feels no emotion anymore. He simply killed Jirayai because J-man would have distrupted his plan - nothing more.

 

[twistedlink]

Yeah dumb post, jiraiya cant tell the future, not his fault, also if jiraiya didnt do it, someone else wouldve.

In any case nagato still lived the same life with or without jiraiya, and no doubt he wouldve awoken the rinnegan just like he did before.

Jiraiya is not to blame for pain and what he has becomes, the ninja world as a whole is to blame.

Jiraiya said himself to naruto a few mangas back that he wants the world to be more peaceful, and that people need to love each other more etc.

 

[S4g3]

Jiraiya's a legend, he died as he lived - Doing his best for the world tbh. xD
Pains just an ars3...hope narutos wtf pwns him

 

[Fei]

No, if J Man would have stopped and defeated Orochimaru when he first went after him when he left the village then a LOT of stuff would be diffrent.

A) 3rd would still be alive, and would kick Pains butt.
B) Sasuke would not have left the village
C) Ummmm.....yeah there would be no story 0_o


Also if he had listened to Orochimaru and killed the kids, then Akatsuki would'nt be as powerful if exist, seeing how it's Pains jutsu that extracts (or so they say, though Madara seemed to be doing it fine in 419)

So blame J Man and Oro equally. I really wish we could have seen more of a good Oro ala the PSP version of Final Fantasy 7 - Crisis Core where we get to see Sephiroth "good" before snapping and going evil.