[VS] Jiraiya VS Killer Bee...Who'd Win ??
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Not A>B>C logic at all. Killer Bee is on the level of Kisame. Base Jiriaya is on a level above Kisame according to Kisame himself, thus Jiriaya as a whole is on a level above Killer Bee...That alone implies that Jiriaya would win. Not to mention that Jiriaya is far more versatile than Killer Bee. Killer Bee has no counters for a number of jutsus that Jiriaya posses. The only attack from Killer Bee that Jiriaya would have to worry about is TBB which can possibly be avoided and\or prevented.
Killer Bee must also transform to use TBB to my knowledge which Jiriaya could immediately sink with his swamp jutsu.
Once Jiriaya enters Sage Mode, Killer Bee doesnt really stand much of a chance anymore.
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No Killer bee is above kisame-and your abc logic is horrendous. Bee is on a different level to jiraiya.
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Killer Bee is stronger than Kisame but they are pretty much in the same tier while Jiriaya is a tier above them. Anyways its easy to say that someone is wrong, why not support why Killer Bee defeats Jiriaya rather than saying Bee is on a different level than Jiriaya when that clearly is not the case...
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SM takes no prep time at all. Ma and Pa took so long to summon due to plot. Later on Ma summoned Naruto, Pa and the 3 toads instantly before Naruto fought Pein. You kids need to get your heads out of your asses and understand what plot is. Jiraiya goes SM, uses swamp of the underworld and uses Goemon to make fried calamari out of Bee.
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But that's just it, jiraiya isn't a tier above them.(feat wise......) Plus, Kisame is a bad match up for bee, which is why he has a chance of beating him.(Kisame said he is the best in akatsuki at capturing jinchuriki alive, thanks to samaheda) But overall, Bee is the stronger shinobi by quite a margain.
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So no defense at all, just blank claims?
Feat wise Jiriaya has them beat. Killer Bees best feats all revolve around him being a side kick to Naruto...Kisame would have been thrashed by the 3 Pains Jiriaya faced. Neither Killer Bee nor Kisame could replicate the feat Jiriaya accomplished by killing 3 Paths, 1 twice and forcing Nagato to bring Deva Path out. Defeating Konan in a matter of seconds is also pretty impressive.
Hype wise he also has them beat. Gaining the praise of Nagato far surpasses any praise or hype Kisame or Killer Bee have received this entire series. The hype Itachi and Kisame gave them him surpasses both of theirs.
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Nope, none of my claims were, they are just facts.(the kisame jinchuriki stuff is all true) You were just making BS claims about Kisame saying that jiraiya was on a different level, and that automatically making jiraiya stronger than bee(which is incredibly stupid logic) Furthermore, another poster on this forum(I think it was Penguin) provided evidence to suggest that kisame and Itachi weren't actually talking about Jiraiya, but the kyuubi.
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All of your posts are nonsense and have nothing backing your claims. All you are doing is repeating the same crap over and over. And you know damn well Kisame wasn't worried about a 12 year old Naruto more than Jiraiya. Way to try to save face.
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Actually, kisame and Itachi talking about the kyuubi makes far more sense than Jiraiya. Especially given how Itachi went on to say that they would lose "even if they had backup"(which would make sense if the kyuubi went wild)......
Plus, that was another poster(Penguin) who said that. I don't really care if they were actually talking about Jiraiya or the kyuubi........that's not integral to my point.
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They are blank claims because you arent saying anything except Killer Bee defeats Jiriaya...Im asking you why and how...
Jiriaya feats are greater, unless you think Killer Bee would have fared better vs Pain?
Jiriaya is more versatile and smarter...All Killer Bee has over Jiriaya is destruction ability...
We have all seen the Viz scans of what you are talking about.
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No it doesn't.
As far as I can tell, your only point is "lol Jiraiya loses" without any points to back up as to why he loses. So until you actually show some real points, what you say is moot.
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Jiraiya may be more versatile, but that doesn't really mean everything in a fight. The way the manga is going, raw destructive power beats versatility most of the time. If killer bee is bloodlusted, he can just enter bijuu mode very quickly(like he did against nagato when they were about to counter CT) and nuke the area with a bijuudama. Jiraiaya's only hope would be to use Doton: Yomi Numa, but I doubt that would completely subdue the hachibi before he can fire off a bijuudama. But Jiraiya could win if Bee plays around and fights like a clown like he sometimes does.....but the fight is completely in Bee's hands.
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Exactly, the number people who think Jiraiaya wins is mind boggling, I honestly thought they were trolling but they seem serious...
And also, the 8 tailed whirlwind would shit on Jiraiya as well-a bijuudama isn't needed.
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I think Jiraiya can definitely win.
The problem for Jiraiya is hardly full Bijuu transformation. Yomi Numa was able to near instantly sink giant , boss sized summons. And Jiraiya called the technique tiny, because he had his chakra making abilities compromised. Add to that Food Cart Destroyer, which Jiraiya used to beat giant snakes, and Minato used to hold down the Kyuubi while it was trying to fire a Bijuu Dama and those two techniques together would take the Hachibi out of the question.
Base Bee also is not a problem for Jiraiya. Why? The Most dangerous this about Base Bee is his Kenjutsu. But Needle Jizo would easily make that not an option. As Bee would have to take substantial damage to try and deal damage to Jiraiya.
The problem for Jiraiya would be a V2 Bee. At that point, Bee's speed, damage, and durability are all greatly increased without the drawback of the extremely large size. Now Wild Lion's Mane may be helpful here as it's shown to be fairly fast and destructive. Many people would assert that a V2 Naruto almost killed Jiraiya, but the fact remains that Jiraiya not only beat V2 Naruto but he did so without killing intent. Killing intent is always easier, than non killing intent.
It is also most likely the case that having a summoning out would stall Base Bee and V2 Bee long enough to enter Sage Mode, and a Full Biju Transformation Stage, only working with his summon is all that is necessary.
Bijuu Dama Barrage would be similar to the barrage of Fuuton Renkuudan, and Gamabunta would respond in a similar method if he's out before the Full Bijuu Transformation. And Gama Yuendan completely craps all over the 8 tail whirlwind as that technique would literally only boost Jiraiya's.
The problem for Jiraiya is hardly full Bijuu transformation. Yomi Numa was able to near instantly sink giant , boss sized summons. And Jiraiya called the technique tiny, because he had his chakra making abilities compromised. Add to that Food Cart Destroyer, which Jiraiya used to beat giant snakes, and Minato used to hold down the Kyuubi while it was trying to fire a Bijuu Dama and those two techniques together would take the Hachibi out of the question.
Base Bee also is not a problem for Jiraiya. Why? The Most dangerous this about Base Bee is his Kenjutsu. But Needle Jizo would easily make that not an option. As Bee would have to take substantial damage to try and deal damage to Jiraiya.
The problem for Jiraiya would be a V2 Bee. At that point, Bee's speed, damage, and durability are all greatly increased without the drawback of the extremely large size. Now Wild Lion's Mane may be helpful here as it's shown to be fairly fast and destructive. Many people would assert that a V2 Naruto almost killed Jiraiya, but the fact remains that Jiraiya not only beat V2 Naruto but he did so without killing intent. Killing intent is always easier, than non killing intent.
It is also most likely the case that having a summoning out would stall Base Bee and V2 Bee long enough to enter Sage Mode, and a Full Biju Transformation Stage, only working with his summon is all that is necessary.
Bijuu Dama Barrage would be similar to the barrage of Fuuton Renkuudan, and Gamabunta would respond in a similar method if he's out before the Full Bijuu Transformation. And Gama Yuendan completely craps all over the 8 tail whirlwind as that technique would literally only boost Jiraiya's.
Sages are known for being on a completely different level of shinobi and have the ability to go toe-to-toe with Rinnegan users. Bee might be a jinchuuriki, which he'll give Jiraiya a good fight for a while. But Jiraiya's got this.
