[VS] Jiraiya vs Kakuzu

[TheEvilOne]

What does Naruto having to kill Kakuzu have to do with Akatsukichurch's point? Do you realize how dumb you've just sounded by making that irrelevant comment? Kakuzu is dead within this scan due to Hidan killing him.

You aren't really clever, are you..?

Than you should give me a FULL SCAN. I can't guess where the hell this scan is :| I'm not a Kakuzu fan like U :|

 

[Shura]

Than you should give me a FULL SCAN. I can't guess where the hell this scan is :| I'm not a Kakuzu fan like U :|

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[DrProof]

Than you should give me a FULL SCAN. I can't guess where the hell this scan is :| I'm not a Kakuzu fan like U :|

It wouldn't even matter. Akatsukichurch provided the necessary scan to prove his point. And you can obviously tell it leads to Naruto vs Kakuzu several chapters later..

 

[TheEvilOne]

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Oh, you mean this.
Kakuzu wasn't dead... Only his heart was killed. Kakashi destroyed his HEART. He thought Kakuzu is done for. But had no intel about Kakuzu having more than one heart.

 

[Shura]

Oh, you mean this.
Kakuzu wasn't dead... Only his heart was killed. Kakashi destroyed his HEART. He thought Kakuzu is done for. But had no intel about Kakuzu having more than one heart.

I think we can both very well see that Kakuzu's main body was dead..

 

[Fanta]

Oh, you mean this.
Kakuzu wasn't dead... Only his heart was killed. Kakashi destroyed his HEART. He thought Kakuzu is done for. But had no intel about Kakuzu having more than one heart.

He was dead... one of the other hearts revived him.

 

[DrProof]

Oh, you mean this.
Kakuzu wasn't dead... Only his heart was killed. Kakashi destroyed his HEART. He thought Kakuzu is done for. But had no intel about Kakuzu having more than one heart.

Dude. Kakashi destroyed his heart before this. Hidan destroyed his heart within these scan(s) so Kakashi was aware. You see Shikamaru isn't with them correct? Shikamaru was with them when Kakashi destroyed Kakuzu's Doton heart. Shikamaru even explained Kakuzu had multiple hearts.

 

[TheEvilOne]

I think we can both very well see that Kakuzu's main body was dead..

Not dead, incapacitated. Even Tsunade survived a heart stab, it's not surprising Kakuzu survived it too.

 

[Shura]

Not dead, incapacitated. Even Tsunade survived a heart stab, it's not surprising Kakuzu survived it too.

..Just look at Kakuzu's face in that scan.. He was dead.

 

[DrProof]

Not dead, incapacitated. Even Tsunade survived a heart stab, it's not surprising Kakuzu survived it too.

Are you serious man. Denial is the first step of knowing you're wrong..

 

[KidGamer65]

Jiraiya wins mid-high diff.

 

[Fodder#4]

Kakuzu will take this unless Jiraiya happens to make it into sage Mode, then it complicates things and each chsaracter has a fairly close shot at winning.

 

[Tartarus]

Jiraiya mid-high diff, he can match any combination Kakuzu can throw

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[Brother Numpsay]

Can someone link me to a page that claims Kakuzu doesn't have a brain?

 

[Zexion~]

Sage mode Jiraiya is wayyy to overrated .. Kakuzu wins whether he makes it too sage mode or not ..

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Actually going Sage can make this battle 50/50

 

[DrProof]

Actually going Sage can make this battle 50/50

I disagree. The only think Jiraiya has to over within SM is Sound Genjutsu which wouldn't work due to Kakuzu not having a brain. Well due to this theory anyway:

Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu | Exploit #3

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Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:

The human being requires a brain in order for all of our basic bodily functions to perform. Our hearts, our breathing, our kidneys, livers, digestion, evacuation, all of our bodily systems are operated by our brain. Without a brain to perform these basic functions, we die.

The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:

The left part of Sasori's chest held the lone human part of him and thus, the only necessary part of his body capable of controlling chakra: a cylinder-shaped device containing his 'core' (核, kaku).

So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

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His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

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To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):

Kinjutsu (禁術; Literally meaning "Forbidden Techniques") are techniques that have been banned from being taught or used.
This ban could have been put in place for any number of reasons, but kinjutsu can generally be put in either of three categories:

1) Techniques that cause harm to the user themselves, such as opening the Eight Gates, which the mere use of is both highly useful as well as detrimental to the user.
2) Techniques that violate the laws of nature (e.g. the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation, which reincarnates the dead with a human sacrifice).
3) Certain techniques that are known to cause massive collateral damage, such as the total destruction of a village and end with the death of everyone in it, thus the great moral ramifications of its potential lead many to labeling it as a forbidden technique.

Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.​

 

[Curse Mark]

I disagree. The only think Jiraiya has to over within SM is Sound Genjutsu which wouldn't work due to Kakuzu not having a brain. Well due to this theory anyway:

Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu | Exploit #3

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Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:



The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:



So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

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His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

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To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):



Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.​

So having the same intelligence as Sasori makes you not have a brain?

 

[DrProof]

So having the same intelligence as Sasori makes you not have a brain?

Not in the least, it just shows that people without the notable reference of possessing a brain can have high intelligence.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Dr Proof I made a reply on that already on your thread. Here I will Quote it:

Here is a flaw I see that gives me the conclusion that Kakuzu indeed has a Brain.

For Sasori's case he is built from a "Core". This core is known for being the only human part from his body. But if you look at it literally it is no where in shape/part from the human anatomy. To best explain that is that Sasori created it to make it work by adding some type of flesh to act as a source of chakra, brain (to think), and heart (to live fiction-wise).

As for Kakuzu's case he does indeed HAVE some type of consistent case to live. Kakuzu is actually using REAL hearts in order to live. The missing factor in Kakuzu's case is the Brain (to think,etc.). I don't think you can conclude that the "real life" heart that HE stole is able to function/counterpart of the brain. The fact that he changes it for centuries also show some inconsistency. If he thinks through his hearts does that mean he should have different personality by the hearts he stole?

Anyway the best conclusion is to say that he indeed has a brain.

Everything other things you pointed out are on point.