jiraiya vs kakuzu

jiraiya vs kakuzu


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FloriGlori

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Kakuzu, with average difficulty.

You guys take it too easy. First of all, the most important fact you seem to forgett: Jiraiya needs about five to ten minutes of preparation in order to enter Sennin Modo. Pain was only sending animals after him back then. But if Kakuzu gets serious (which means that apart from him and his Jiongu strings four flying creatures capable of using elemental attacks on a very high level are after him) Jiraiya won't have time to prepare.

Even if he would manage to enter Sennin Modo, however, it doesn't mean certain victory. Ma's & Pa's Genjutsu would be Kakuzu's certain defeat, yes, but like Jiraiya's Sennin Modo itself it needs some time to be prepared, time they don't have during this fight. Jiraiya may be able to take out several masks with Rasengan or Senjutsu techniques, but the same goes for Kakuzu's beasts. The difference is that Kakuzu's beasts can fly, which means that they're harder to hit. Their attacks also cover larger areas than any of Jiraiya's known Jutsu, except for Doton: Yomi no Numa. His huge toads aren't that much of a problem here, since techniques like Katon: Zukkoku (at worst combined with Fuuton: Atsugai) could get rid of them.

Last but not least, even if Jiraiya could defeat Kakuzu's beasts without being killed, I don't see how he intends to hurt Kakuzu himself. Doton: Domu, his hardened body technique, is one hell of a Jutsu and obviously underestimated by some of you. It makes his body (according to Kishi's latest databook) as hard as a diamond and is activated in an instant. The only way to pierce that technique is using Raiton (like Kakashi did) - an element Jiraiya can't use - therefore it makes Kakuzu nearly untouchable against him. Admittedly it needs to be mentioned that Kakuzu's speed decreases pretty bad while he's using Domu, due to the increased weight of his body. Yes, that's also written in the latest databook.

Some of the circumstances I described only count if the battle takes place in a wide, large area, like the desert where Kakashi, Shikamaru & co were fighting Hidan & Kakuzu.
 
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Kakuzu, with average difficulty.

You guys take it too easy. First of all, the most important fact you seem to forgett: Jiraiya needs about five to ten minutes of preparation in order to enter Sennin Modo. Pain was only sending animals after him back then. But if Kakuzu gets serious (which means that apart from him and his Jiongu strings four flying creatures capable of using elemental attacks on a very high level are after him) Jiraiya won't have time to prepare.

Even if he would manage to enter Sennin Modo, however, it doesn't mean certain victory. Ma's & Pa's Genjutsu would be Kakuzu's certain defeat, yes, but like Jiraiya's Sennin Modo itself it needs some time to be prepared, time they don't have during this fight. Jiraiya may be able to take out several masks with Rasengan or Senjutsu techniques, but the same goes for Kakuzu's beasts. The difference is that Kakuzu's beasts can fly, which means that they're harder to hit. Their attacks also cover larger areas than any of Jiraiya's known Jutsu, except for Doton: Yomi no Numa. His huge toads aren't that much of a problem here, since techniques like Katon: Zukkoku (at worst combined with Fuuton: Atsugai) could get rid of them.

Last but not least, even if Jiraiya could defeat Kakuzu's beasts without being killed, I don't see how he intends to hurt Kakuzu himself. Doton: Domu, his hardened body technique, is one hell of a Jutsu and obviously underestimated by some of you. It makes his body (according to Kishi's latest databook) as hard as a diamond and is activated in an instant. The only way to pierce that technique is using Raiton (like Kakashi did) - an element Jiraiya can't use - therefore it makes Kakuzu nearly untouchable against him. Admittedly it needs to be mentioned that Kakuzu's speed decreases pretty bad while he's using Domu, due to the increased weight of his body. Yes, that's also written in the latest databook.

Some of the circumstances I described only count if the battle takes place in a wide, large area, like the desert where Kakashi, Shikamaru & co were fighting Hidan & Kakuzu.
You chat a lot but J man has barriers and summons. He easily go sage against an opponent like kakuzu
 

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Interesting oppinion. Any explanation, how toads or his detection barrier will help him to get into Sennin Modo?
Same way it helped him against pein. Summons can fight off kakuzu as well as run away with him. J man is still bad ass without his hands as he can form seals. An untransformed kakuzu cant keep up with gamakichi or gamabunta. He will also have to transform in shape.
 

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The barrier won't help a bit, since its only use is to detect enemies.
Maybe Kakuzu can't, but his beasts definitely can. And unlike Pain's creatures, who (obviously) could only attack on close range, the elemental attacks cover a large area and can used from close to wide range. The likes of bunta won't buy enough time for Jiraiya.
 

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The barrier won't help a bit, since its only use is to detect enemies.
Maybe Kakuzu can't, but his beasts definitely can. And unlike Pain's creatures, who (obviously) could only attack on close range, the elemental attacks cover a large area and can used from close to wide range. The likes of bunta won't buy enough time for Jiraiya.
So it will help

If team ino can survive those attacks, gamakichi(tho clumsy) will escape in time. Kakashi evaded all those beast attacks when fighting against hidan. Just saying it can be done
 
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Kakazu would win but it would be a close fight.

Kakazu has too much to offer Jiraiya in this battle.
Iron Skin negates all attacks by Jiraiya.
Jiraiya is outmatched in Ninjutsu by far.
Kakazu has the advantage in taijutsu as well in combination with his superior speed and strength.
Jiraiyas only chance is to go into SM but kakazu will put too much pressure on Jiraiya for that with his elemental beasts not giving him any room.
Kakazu will overwhelm Jiraiya for sure.
X factors are that Kakazu has much more experience, stamina/chakra, speed/strength, intelligence/tactics, and durability.
 

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The barrier won't help a bit, since its only use is to detect enemies.
Maybe Kakuzu can't, but his beasts definitely can. And unlike Pain's creatures, who (obviously) could only attack on close range, the elemental attacks cover a large area and can used from close to wide range. The likes of bunta won't buy enough time for Jiraiya.
jiraiya can also fight long range, and he hair when he uses it for defence is as strong as steel
 

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Jiraiya is more of a one in one combat guy. He really strong but as we saw with six pains he just couldn't keep up he needs to take time to analyze his opponent and its not gonna happen if he being attacked from 5 different places. I gotta give this to kakuzu.
 

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So it will help

If team ino can survive those attacks, gamakichi(tho clumsy) will escape in time. Kakashi evaded all those beast attacks when fighting against hidan. Just saying it can be done
Correction....as soon as Kakuzu didn't have to worry about Shikamaru or the others, Kakashi was caught nearly instantly. One mask was taken out by then, that leaves Fuuton/Katon harassing Kakashi, and Raiton harassing Shikamaru. I'm a fan of both, but I don't see a conceivable way for Jiraiya to win this without starting in Sage Mode, which I actually do support. Kakuzu is J-Man's match in Strength, Speed, Intelligence, Stamina, and his better in terms of Experience.

Kakuzu High-Difficulty for the sake of being modest.
 

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I'm not of the opinion that Pain could be beat by the likes of Kakuzu....but he would do conceivably better than Jiraiya did. He has 4 Free-Floating High-Level Elemental Masks, Preta Path can't absorb all attacks at different angles at once, and Tendo has interval. Kakuzu also has Doton: Domu, which would make the normal strategy rather useless; Bansho Ten'in and stab with pointy objects.

Now that I think of it....Kakuzu actually has a counter to Chibaku Tensei as well....He simply has to aim all of his mask's attacks at the core. He was boasted as being Intelligent, so we'll give him that much atleast, that he could deduce the Jutsu's workings like Itachi did; Even if not fully understanding it.

Never really thought about it....but I could conceivably see Kakuzu beating the Six Paths of Pain.
 
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