jiraiya vs kakuzu
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Last time I checked, Jiraiya does not have a raiton affinity so I don't see how he would by pass kakuzu's earth grudge armour thingy, it was pretty much impenetrable and was only defeated by kakashi because he used raikiri, and that only worked because earth chakra is weak against lightning. The armour w*s implied to be stronger than diamond and gave kakuzu super strength so it is a good match for sage mode.
Kakuzu has tons more experience and intelligence than anyone except for maybw tobi so that works on his favor.
He also fought toe to toe with the shodaime hokage at his prime and that was before he obtained his imortality jutsu.
It was said that a person was generally considered to be jounin level when they mastered two elemental adfinties and this guy mastered all five. Plus he also has his threads and masks.
I trully don't know who wins. It could go either way if you ask me.
Swamp of the underworld easily countered by streaming raiton chakra into the ground and stops the earth element jutsu, like sasuke did with deidara's bombs.
Combination toad elemental jutsu countered with combination mask jutsu.
Sage mode strength and speed countered with earth grudge.
Jiraiya could win though with frog song, though it takes too long and the only time we saw it it only worked because pain aloud it to work so that he could catch jiraiya off gourd, too much prep time needed with all the singing and syncing voices, it don't take a genius to figure out that its a sound based genjutsu, especially for a plus ninety year old who has seen everything. Besides jiraiya won't have the tunnels to hide and prepair the jutsu like he did in canon.
Jiraiya might win with the summoning of the toad oesophugus thingy, or the stomach barrier thingy he did to the animal path, Jiraiya wins with HIGH difficulty, if not then they just kill each other.
Kakuzu has tons more experience and intelligence than anyone except for maybw tobi so that works on his favor.
He also fought toe to toe with the shodaime hokage at his prime and that was before he obtained his imortality jutsu.
It was said that a person was generally considered to be jounin level when they mastered two elemental adfinties and this guy mastered all five. Plus he also has his threads and masks.
I trully don't know who wins. It could go either way if you ask me.
Swamp of the underworld easily countered by streaming raiton chakra into the ground and stops the earth element jutsu, like sasuke did with deidara's bombs.
Combination toad elemental jutsu countered with combination mask jutsu.
Sage mode strength and speed countered with earth grudge.
Jiraiya could win though with frog song, though it takes too long and the only time we saw it it only worked because pain aloud it to work so that he could catch jiraiya off gourd, too much prep time needed with all the singing and syncing voices, it don't take a genius to figure out that its a sound based genjutsu, especially for a plus ninety year old who has seen everything. Besides jiraiya won't have the tunnels to hide and prepair the jutsu like he did in canon.
Jiraiya might win with the summoning of the toad oesophugus thingy, or the stomach barrier thingy he did to the animal path, Jiraiya wins with HIGH difficulty, if not then they just kill each other.
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They are so equal that it can go either way.
Jiraiya would have a better chance if he can get into sm
Jiraiya would have a better chance if he can get into sm
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...... you realllly think Pain let Jiraiya use genjutsu? he couldnt stop him in time. and he didn't need the tunnels, he just needed a place far away, sage mode has shown to be incredibly strong, and i think bath of boiling oil would melt the earth armor on kakuzu
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Yes I am, or have you forgetten that sage mode strength was stopped by human path strength, who isn't that strong, Human path caught Jiraiya's taijutsu attack with his bare hand without effort at all, heck he wasn't even looking at him, go read or watch again if you don't believe me.
Kakuzu on the other hand displayed his super strength by kicking a huge tree down without effort at all when he was angry at hidan.
We all know that chouji has super strength when he enlarges his limbs and kakuzu completely overpowered choji with pure brute force, catching his giant fist without effort and then went on to dominate chouji, and that was after he had already lost his earth heart, he is even stronger when he uses earth grudge, even the genius shikamaru acknowledged this fact when they first met when kakuzu punched of the roof where shikamaru had been a second before the punch, do not underestimate kakuzu's strength and his near impenetrable earth grudge shield, this guy is definately strong enough to match or even overpower sage mode jiraiya who hadf his attack caught by human without effort.
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Its not about me believing that Pain allowed Jiraiya to use frog song, it is a FACT that he did, I don't know which manga you guys are reading of if you just blatently ignore details when you watch, but Pa, as the male frog on Jiraiya's shoulder confirmed it himself after ma pointed out that the other three had been resurrected, go read it now, Pa said that they were deceived by pain because the other paths had already been summoned before the other three fell for the genjutsu trap in order to make them let their guard down, in other words, he sent the 3 there already knowing it was a trap because he wanted to catch them off guard.
Mayn watch the battle again, pain couldn't hit Jiraiya because he kept running away into the tunnels ever since the battle started, in order to get a clear shot, he made them loosen their guard by falling for the trap so that he could land a hit with asura, just look at the first thing asura said when he arrived, 'were you not the one that taught me to never let your guard down, Jiraiya sensei', and then put that together with what pa said about pain tricking them by making them let their guard down.
Besides man, pain could have probably broken through that jutsu, if you go and read the manga again, focus more on how Jiraiya explained how the genjutsu works, he said that it was a BARRIER type GENJUTSU, BARRIER type.
We know for a fact that pain can see barriers with his rinnegan, not only see through barrier, but he also displayed on many occasions that his rinnegan can quickly deduce the functions, strengths, and WEAKNESSES of the barriers and quickly formulate strategies to counter them. If you're wondering where I got this, I'll take you through a trip down memory lane.
When Jiraiya erected an INVISIBLE detection barrier against animal path, animal SAW the barrier and quickly determined its purpose and IMMEDIATELY developed a strategy against the barrier, go read ior watch if you don't believe.
When pain infiltrated konoha, he once again SAW the barrier surrounding the village with his rinnegan and IMMEDIATELY was able to determine its fuction and weaknesses. He almost if not immediately afterwards developed a strategy to bypass and fool the barrier into detecting one introder when there were actually seven introders, go and read again, pain is a master strategist and and barriers are childs play to him.
Pain HIMSELF also used BARRIER type genjutsus, the guy that Jiraiya captured had a BARRIER type genjutsu on him that was used to prevent him from being interogated, the jutsu inoichi deduced to be PAIN's jutsu.
Do you HONESTLY think, given all this eveidence on the manga, that a BARRIER type genjutsu would work on a guy like that? Be honest with yourself, if you go back to the manga and read all these reverences that I have pointed out and still do not acknowledge that pain ALLOWED that jutsu to work on him that I don't know then, I'll just conclude that you are in denial.
You saying that oil, fire, wind combination jutsu that Jiraiya uses can burn Kakuzu's earth grudge? who knows, its a 50/50, we have no evidence of whether it can or not, so far we know that its only weakness is raiton, but if ma, pa and jiraiya combine oil, wind and fire? That could be quite potent, then can it burn through something that is supposedly as hard as diamond, we have no proof it can, nor do we have absolute proof it can't, so I don't know?
But let me ask you this, do you honestly think that Kakuzu doesn't have his own combination jutsu? Jiraiya and the two sages can combine two elements and oil, Kakuzu can combine FIVE elements, what makes you think Jiraiya's jutsu would hit kakuzu?
Mayn I don't know who would win in this battle, kakuzu's hearts can act independent of his will, like his raiton hard was busy helping hidan fight kakashi while he and the other two heatrts took care of the rest, even if Jiraiya caught him in that TIME consuming genjutsu, which is unlikely that he would get the chance to activate it against kakuzu, but let us say it did? What then?
Kakuzu's hearts can fight on their own without him actively controlling them, they can still fight or they can just disrupt his chakra and break him out of it.
I mean the hearts still work outside of his body even when he is temporarily dead, there is not much reason to believe that they couldn't work by themselves while he is in a genjutsu, they have already proven themselves in the manga to be able to function without his active control of them.
Mayn this fight to me can go either way, people underate him because he lost to naruto, but naruto is the main character, everyone who goes up against him will ultimately lose against naruto, he is the MAIN character dude.
This fight is a draw to me because anyone of the two can win,but Jiraiya would probably win in the manga, he is one of the MAIN characters and they are always going to win in the manga.
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