Jiraiya vs Kakashi

[fastrthnwind]

does it matter,perfect/nonperfect? sm jiraiya>sm naruto, cos he can use it unlimited long time, cos he has shima and fukasaku on his arms....and chakra gates arent for soooo long...if 6 gates>sm, then naruto had to learn them instead of sm-if u get cut hand, u will not feel it+ it dont damage ur body

Naruto had mastered sm to a higher degree because the more you master it the less frog features are seen. Jiraiya had to use shima and fukasaku to continually stay in sm whereas naruto used shadow clones which also allowed him to use it for longer periods of time. Both were useful in extending the time they could remain in sm. Plus in order for a person to use the 8 gate techniques it would require extensive training in taijutsu alone.

Sage mode enhances the users chakra in order to have more powerful jutsus and, in effect, bolsters their taijutsu to a certain degree. 8 gates increases the overall flow of chakra in the users entire body to dramatically increase their speed, strength, and stamina. They are both equally dangerous and possibly fatal if the user is not in full control of either techniques.

 

[Klubargutan]

yes, jiraya can have it for more time, but naruto´s is stronger

jiraiya with that frogs has more power than naruto with perfect sm, id better have jiraiya's sm with fukasaku than naruto's if i wouldnt be able to get frogs on my arm...but the best is perfect+frogs on arms...

 

[Reborn]

What's with the OP level up for Kakashi. You're making it sound like Kakshi is out of Jiraiya's leauge without all that stuff. 5 gates? EMS wtf?, Ama?! I'm surprised you didn't give him the full package with Susanoo and Tsukuyomi.

Kakashi can put up a good fight with Jiraiya without the power ups and a vs. thread like this where a shinobi get power ups that he doesn't actually have isn't very interesting. People are going to be looking at the power ups you gave for their arguments, not Kakashi's actual skills as a shinobi.

I believe Jiraiya defeats Kakashi without his power ups.
I believe Jiraiya defeats Kakashi with all his power ups.

I see Jiraiya on top either way only with one he's more of a threat to Jiraiya.

 

[fastrthnwind]

What's with the OP level up for Kakashi. You're making it sound like Kakshi is out of Jiraiya's leauge without all that stuff. 5 gates? EMS wtf?, Ama?! I'm surprised you didn't give him the full package with Susanoo and Tsukuyomi.

Kakashi can put up a good fight with Jiraiya without the power ups and a vs. thread like this where a shinobi get power ups that he doesn't actually have isn't very interesting. People are going to be looking at the power ups you gave for their arguments, not Kakashi's actual skills as a shinobi.

I am in agreement

 

[Klubargutan]

What's with the OP level up for Kakashi. You're making it sound like Kakshi is out of Jiraiya's leauge without all that stuff. 5 gates? EMS wtf?, Ama?! I'm surprised you didn't give him the full package with Susanoo and Tsukuyomi.

Kakashi can put up a good fight with Jiraiya without the power ups and a vs. thread like this where a shinobi get power ups that he doesn't actually have isn't very interesting. People are going to be looking at the power ups you gave for their arguments, not Kakashi's actual skills as a shinobi.

I believe Jiraiya defeats Kakashi without his power ups.
I believe Jiraiya defeats Kakashi with all his power ups.

I see Jiraiya on top either way only with one he's more of a threat to Jiraiya.

because to controll susanoo u ever had to have ms in both eyes(cos we saw itachi using it without even normal sharinagan), tsukuyomi u have in right eye, amaterasu in left(Sasuke, with Itachi its reversed)...and kakashi has ms only in left, we have seen kakashi using chakra gates, so why wasnt he able to open 5, OKAY? think about it

 

[~Hebi Terumi~]

5 gates + kamui + amaterasu vs SM with shima and fukasaku? don´t take this badly, but in this case i MUST go with kakashi, come on, 5 GATES, HELLO, 5 GATES

Kakashi doesn't have Amaterasu or 5 gates but I already know that your making fun of what the Kakashi fan boys say xd

 

[Klubargutan]

Kakashi doesn't have Amaterasu or 5 gates but I already know that your making fun of what the Kakashi fan boys say xd

he has gates, i believe that about 5....(but we saw him using just 1, as i said !!!)

 

[~Hebi Terumi~]

he has gates, i believe that about 5....(but we saw him using just 1, as i said !!!)

Everyone has 8 gates, but where in the manga is it shown or stated that he can open 5 gates. You can't just base this fight off of assumptions.

 

[Klubargutan]

Everyone has 8 gates, but where in the manga is it shown or stated that he can open 5 gates. You can't just base this fight off of assumptions.

he can open gates, he is genius and he is copy ninja, he 100% sure saw guy with gates, cos tenzou(yamato) knew about gai's afternoon tiger....

 

[~Hebi Terumi~]

he can open gates, he is genius and he is copy ninja, he 100% sure saw guy with gates, cos tenzou(yamato) knew about gai's afternoon tiger....

Just because he is a genius and a copy ninja doesn't mean he can open gates. The sharingan can not copy the ability to open the gates from another person. Your assuming that he can because of those reasons but you have yet to give me any actual proof that he can open "5 gates" he was shown opening one but he has "never stated or shown opening more than one gate" which means that you can't use this a factor in this thread, because it has simply never been done by Kakashi.

 

[Reborn]

because to controll susanoo u ever had to have ms in both eyes(cos we saw itachi using it without even normal sharinagan), tsukuyomi u have in right eye, amaterasu in left(Sasuke, with Itachi its reversed)...and kakashi has ms only in left, we have seen kakashi using chakra gates, so why wasnt he able to open 5, OKAY? think about it

:rofl: Oh my god you don't know a sarcastic question when you see it. I wasn't saying you were supposed to give him Susanoo or Tsukuyomi I was saying why the hell did you give him ama? He doesn't have it. These power ups are rediculous. Why give somebody what they don't have in these types of situation? As for the gates I reiterate with a little change...

why give somebody what we haven't seen. We have been given no indication that Kakashi can open up to five gates. Yeah we saw one for a split second and then that ability of his was never brought up again. What I really want to know is how you even gave him the possibility of having EMS. I was rollin when I heard that.

As for my arguments as to why I say Jiraiya I'll leave that for other posts but I damn sure am not using that OP you gave him. If you insist on me using them then I will.

Oh don't forget to give Kakashi KA :rofl:

 

[Klubargutan]

:rofl: Oh my god you don't know a sarcastic question when you see it. I wasn't saying you were supposed to give him Susanoo or Tsukuyomi I was saying why the hell did you give him ama? He doesn't have it. These power ups are rediculous. Why give somebody what they don't have in these types of situation? As for the gates I reiterate with a little change...

why give somebody what we haven't seen. We have been given no indication that Kakashi can open up to five gates. Yeah we saw one for a split second and then that ability of his was never brought up again. What I really want to know is how you even gave him the possibility of having EMS. I was rollin when I heard that.

As for my arguments as to why I say Jiraiya I'll leave that for other posts but I damn sure am not using that OP you gave him. If you insist on me using them then I will.

Oh don't forget to give Kakashi KA :rofl:

i believe that he HAS EMS....already...i just believe, its everyone's opinion...and i made this thread to see, how many kakashi extremists are here...

 

[Reborn]

i believe that he HAS EMS....already...i just believe, its everyone's opinion...and i made this thread to see, how many kakashi extremists are here...

If you wanted Kakashi extreamist then you should've just used the standard. I know it's everybody's oppinion, but with what you added it sounds like a tipper for most people in terms of Kakashi winning. With those added powers it'll look like, at least to most people, that Jiraiya will have a harder time dealing with Kakashi and it is not so far off where Kakashi could actually beat him.

The real fanatics will say that Kakashi can beat Jiraiya (with his standard level of ability) they don't need this. You're power ups will drive a lot of people to be indicisive or some to say Kakashi because there is that possibility if you look at it from all the possible angles. What I'm saying is youanboys of Kakashi with this.

Now like I said before I want to know how you think Kakashi has EMS?

 

[Klubargutan]

If you wanted Kakashi extreamist then you should've just used the standard. I know it's everybody's oppinion, but with what you added it sounds like a tipper for most people in terms of Kakashi winning. With those added powers it'll look like, at least to most people, that Jiraiya will have a harder time dealing with Kakashi and it is not so far off where Kakashi could actually beat him.

The real fanatics will say that Kakashi can beat Jiraiya (with his standard level of ability) they don't need this. You're power ups will drive a lot of people to be indicisive or some to say Kakashi because there is that possibility if you look at it from all the possible angles. What I'm saying is youanboys of Kakashi with this.

Now like I said before I want to know how you think Kakashi has EMS?

i already wrote it, it looks like enhanced ms-made from 2 ms's, cos his eye is obito's, one part should be obito's ms and other(if kakashi was uchiha), kakashi's

+++my 1000th post yeeea
+++to sarcastic question-i know that u were only kidding-irony-meaning that why didnt i add to kakashi tsukuyomi and susanoo, but i explained why i gave him amaterasu

 

[Lord Snow]

5 gates + kamui + amaterasu vs SM with shima and fukasaku? don´t take this badly, but in this case i MUST go with kakashi, come on, 5 GATES, HELLO, 5 GATES

totally agreed with you

 

[fastrthnwind]

Just because he is a genius and a copy ninja doesn't mean he can open gates. The sharingan can not copy the ability to open the gates from another person. Your assuming that he can because of those reasons but you have yet to give me any actual proof that he can open "5 gates" he was shown opening one but he has "never stated or shown opening more than one gate" which means that you can't use this a factor in this thread, because it has simply never been done by Kakashi.

Agreed as well. Opening the gates is extremely difficult itself and it requires very extensive, rigorous, and exclusive taijutsu training. Proof of this is that only a few people have ever succeded in doing so. Kakashi has never trained solely on taijutsu before, hence the fact that he is a well rounded shinobi.

 

[Lentz]

What the hell, you gave Kakashi powers he never had and will probably never have. You didn't even have to bother with Kakashi then, you could pick anyone like, I don't know, Choji or even better, that Shizune's pig, Tonton. Jiraiya SM vs Tonton with EMS and five gates. Awesome! Nah, Tonton doesn't actually need any of that, Jiraiya would just let it win, because if something happens to Tonton, Shizune will get mad, which automatically means Tsunade will get mad and break Jiraiya's ribs and rupture his organs like she had already done once. And Jiraiya doesn't want that.

 

[Klubargutan]

What the hell, you gave Kakashi powers he never had and will probably never have. You didn't even have to bother with Kakashi then, you could pick anyone like, I don't know, Choji or even better, that Shizune's pig, Tonton. Jiraiya SM vs Tonton with EMS and five gates. Awesome! Nah, Tonton doesn't actually need any of that, Jiraiya would just let it win, because if something happens to Tonton, Shizune will get mad, which automatically means Tsunade will get mad and break Jiraiya's ribs and rupture his organs like she had already done once. And Jiraiya doesn't want that.

please read comments above...5 gates, he can be capable of this, because he opened one...and he is genius, so why not? as i wrote, amaterasu is usually in left eye(sasuke has it in left, itachi in right), so maybe he will be able to learn that ...about ems read above, so STFU or GTFO commenting same thing what was here explained

 

[Reborn]

i already wrote it, it looks like enhanced ms-made from 2 ms's, cos his eye is obito's, one part should be obito's ms and other(if kakashi was uchiha), kakashi's

+++my 1000th post yeeea
+++to sarcastic question-i know that u were only kidding-irony-meaning that why didnt i add to kakashi tsukuyomi and susanoo, but i explained why i gave him amaterasu

Kakashi is not an Uchiha

Congrates on your 1000th post, 50 more and your a jounin

Do you know the definition of irony because you're not using it correctly? Correct me if I'm not seeing what you're trying to say, I just don't understand that part of your statement at all.

Also your explination isn't very solid. MS abilities (just as the desgin) varries from user to user. Also I belive the three gods (Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo) are blood releated, meaning only members of the Uchihas who bare, not only the eyes but the blood of their clan, can activate such jutsu and even then it's a rareity.

Also again I'll say It hasn't been seen so it's not a fair add on to his power.

 

[fastrthnwind]

please read comments above...5 gates, he can be capable of this, because he opened one...and he is genius, so why not?...about ems read above

He may be capable, but we know that he did not devote his time exclusively to taijutsu like gai or lee did. He may be an all around genius, which may contribute to the fact that he opened one gate, but it takes a true genius of HARD WORK to open more than one gate, meaning he needs much more physical training and discipline in order to actually accomplish this feat.

I have already explained the EMS earlier:

He does not really have EMS since its requires one of Uchiha blood to even control a sharingan properly and it also requires a blood relative to obtain which we don't know if Obito even had a sibling let alone one who also had awakened his/her mangekyo.