Jiraiya vs. Danzo

[Zexion~]

Well going of Danzo's manga battle with sasuke, no.

He used a kunai first, then a small scale fuuton's.

:lol whats your point? Either one is going to kill Jiraiya if there is distance between them he'd likely use the fuuton.

 

[Curse Mark]

If you are going to take KA into account then you can stop replying now. :lol

What you are suggesting happens is ridiculous and probably the most unrealistic battle scenario for Jiraiya's character that I have ever seen. It's clear you are grasping at straws here.

-Thinks Jiraiya will charge headfirst with a regular Rasengan against a guy who he believes has obtained strange abilities.
-Thinks Jiraiya will not try and enter Sage Mode against a guy who he believes has obtained strange abilities.
-Thinks Jiraiya will not summon even though it's part of his fighting style. Something he does more often than using Rasengan.
-Thinks Danzo will let himself get killed by Jiraiya in the first place instead of trying to counter attack when he comes in for the Rasengan.

lolololol really?



That makes no sense. Izanagi being able to reverse damage done to him has nothing to do with the barrier's effectiveness, and his sealing jutsu is irrelevant unless Jiraiya lets Danzo touch him. Danzo has no way to do anything significant to Jiraiya, so he can't win.

I meant to say Izanagi not KA. Danzo doesn't need to unseal his arm to use izanagi.

 

[KidGamer65]

I meant to say Izanagi not KA. Danzo doesn't need to unseal his arm to use izanagi.

Yes, he obviously has to unseal his arm. Not sure where you are getting "he doesn't" from, but the fact it's a seal and the fact that undid it in the Manga when he needed to use Izanagi.

That is unless you are saying he'll use Shisui's eye, but even then that doesn't change anything that has been said. Jiraiya would still poop on him.

 

[ComplexCity]

If you are going to take KA into account then you can stop replying now. :lol

What you are suggesting happens is ridiculous and probably the most unrealistic battle scenario for Jiraiya's character that I have ever seen. It's clear you are grasping at straws here.

-Thinks Jiraiya will charge headfirst with a regular Rasengan against a guy who he believes has obtained strange abilities.
-Thinks Jiraiya will not try and enter Sage Mode against a guy who he believes has obtained strange abilities.
-Thinks Jiraiya will not summon even though it's part of his fighting style. Something he does more often than using Rasengan.
-Thinks Danzo will let himself get killed by Jiraiya in the first place instead of trying to counter attack when he comes in for the Rasengan.

lolololol really?



That makes no sense. Izanagi being able to reverse damage done to him has nothing to do with the barrier's effectiveness, and his sealing jutsu is irrelevant unless Jiraiya lets Danzo touch him. Danzo has no way to do anything significant to Jiraiya, so he can't win.

Not only Danzo have Sharigan, how is he not getting up close? When Danzo used Izanagi he appeared in different places just as he did with Sasuke. I get what you mean with the barrier, but again it's no intel. It's possible for him to be blind sided. Karin one of the most advanced sensors in the manga had a hard time keeping up with Danzo's Izanagi

 

[Curse Mark]

Yes, he obviously has to unseal his arm. Not sure where you are getting "he doesn't" from, but the fact it's a seal and the fact that undid it in the Manga when he needed to use Izanagi.

That is unless you are saying he'll use Shisui's eye, but even then that doesn't change anything that has been said. Jiraiya would still poop on him.

It does change what's been said as the first time Jiraiya kills him, he has no idea what's going to happen and Danzo appears behind him and ends it like when Pein surprised him and ripped his arm off.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not only Danzo have Sharigan, how is he not getting up close? When Danzo used Izanagi he appeared in different places just as he did with Sasuke. I get what you mean with the barrier, but again it's no intel. It's possible for him to be blind sided. Karin one of the most advanced sensors in the manga had a hard time keeping up with Danzo's Izanagi

What are you even talking about? It's a sensing barrier. Who cares if it's no intel. If Danzo is in the barrier Jiraiya will know where he is. Not debatable. Karin's issue with Izanagi was telling whether or not Danzo could be hit. Where are you getting her being troubled to keep up with his location from? :lol

And whether or not he gets up close is irrelevant. Whether or not he touches him is and I've already explained why he gets raped in CQC.

It does change what's been said as the first time Jiraiya kills him, he has no idea what's going to happen and Danzo appears behind him and ends it like when Pein surprised him and ripped his arm off.

If you are going to reply, do me a huge favor and don't ignore everything that has been said.

What you are suggesting happens is ridiculous and probably the most unrealistic battle scenario for Jiraiya's character that I have ever seen. It's clear you are grasping at straws here.

-Thinks Jiraiya will charge headfirst with a regular Rasengan against a guy who he believes has obtained strange abilities.
-Thinks Jiraiya will not try and enter Sage Mode against a guy who he believes has obtained strange abilities.
-Thinks Jiraiya will not summon even though it's part of his fighting style. Something he does more often than using Rasengan.
-Thinks Danzo will let himself get killed by Jiraiya in the first place instead of trying to counter attack when he comes in for the Rasengan.

lolololol really?

Let's this idea of Jiraiya killing Danzo before any summons are up out of our heads.

 

[ComplexCity]

What are you even talking about? It's a sensing barrier. Who cares if it's no intel. If Danzo is in the barrier Jiraiya will know where he is. Not debatable. Karin's issue with Izanagi was telling whether or not Danzo could be hit. Where are you getting her being troubled to keep up with his location from? :lol

And whether or not he gets up close is irrelevant. Whether or not he touches him is and I've already explained why he gets raped in CQC.



If you are going to reply, do me a huge favor and don't ignore everything that has been said.


Let's this idea of Jiraiya killing Danzo before any summons are up out of our heads.

Was the barrier up when he lost an arm?

 

[Curse Mark]

What are you even talking about? It's a sensing barrier. Who cares if it's no intel. If Danzo is in the barrier Jiraiya will know where he is. Not debatable. Karin's issue with Izanagi was telling whether or not Danzo could be hit. Where are you getting her being troubled to keep up with his location from? :lol

And whether or not he gets up close is irrelevant. Whether or not he touches him is and I've already explained why he gets raped in CQC.



If you are going to reply, do me a huge favor and don't ignore everything that has been said.


Let's this idea of Jiraiya killing Danzo before any summons are up out of our heads.

Why would Jiraiya summon a boss toad? He's summoned them when faced with other boss summons, so I could see him doing it against Baku.
Jiraiya doesn't have the time to use sage mode and I'm not sure why he would when he didn't even use it against Oro who he knew was at least his equal or when he first saw the rinnegan.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why would Jiraiya summon a boss toad? He's summoned them when faced with other boss summons, so I could see him doing it against Baku.
Jiraiya doesn't have the time to use sage mode and I'm not sure why he would when he didn't even use it against Oro who he knew was at least his equal or when he first saw the rinnegan.

If he's trying to enter Sage Mode then he'd obviously need a distraction. "not enough time" is obviously false nor does that even make sense. As long as he can fend Danzo off he has plenty of time to enter Sage Mode....and what?

-The moment Animal Path started using his abilities he said he was going to enter Sage Mode, and that was the beginning of their fight.
-He's only fought Orochimaru once on panel, and that was way back in Part 1 when he was drugged and couldn't access his full power.

Was the barrier up when he lost an arm?

Obviously not. :lol

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Jiraiya bitchslaps this pensioner back to a retirement home

 

[Curse Mark]

If he's trying to enter Sage Mode then he'd obviously need a distraction. "not enough time" is obviously false nor does that even make sense. As long as he can fend Danzo off he has plenty of time to enter Sage Mode....and what?
-The moment Animal Path started using his abilities he said he was going to enter Sage Mode, and that was the beginning of their fight.
-He's only fought Orochimaru once on panel, and that was way back in Part 1 when he was drugged and couldn't access his full power.
Obviously not. :lol

I concede on the point about him fighting the rinnegan and Oro.
However I still disagree that he would even attempt to use Sage mode in this fight.
Why would he?
Even if he did Danzo could compete against the toads.
If a toad somehow killed Danzo, he can appear right behind Jiraiya on the toad who has to remain perfectly still and end him

 

[ComplexCity]

If he's trying to enter Sage Mode then he'd obviously need a distraction. "not enough time" is obviously false nor does that even make sense. As long as he can fend Danzo off he has plenty of time to enter Sage Mode....and what?

-The moment Animal Path started using his abilities he said he was going to enter Sage Mode, and that was the beginning of their fight.
-He's only fought Orochimaru once on panel, and that was way back in Part 1 when he was drugged and couldn't access his full power.



Obviously not. :lol

Aight nm then

 

[EZQ]

As much as i love Danzo, i must say the only way he wins this is if he lets his guard down on the first Izanagi respawn

 

[KidGamer65]

I concede on the point about him fighting the rinnegan and Oro.
However I still disagree that he would even attempt to use Sage mode in this fight.
Why would he?
Even if he did Danzo could compete against the toads.
If a toad somehow killed Danzo, he can appear right behind Jiraiya on the toad who has to remain perfectly still and end him

1. Jiraiya doesn't need to be on the toad.
2. Even if he was, all he'd need to do is block with Needle Jizo and then make a clone to fend off any counter attacks the toads can't take care of themselves. All he'd have to do is start the process over again after moving.

What kind of question is "Why would he use his trump against a guy with unknown abilities who has been experimented on by Orochimaru of all people?" :lol I mean, really now? Even then, Sage Mode isn't needed for him to win. If he doesn't use Sage Mode then he'll rely on combination attacks with summons or clones. Either way Danzo doesn't stand a chance and the fact that the only argument for him is "he blindsides him and then kills him with a Kunai" doesn't help your case.

 

[Zexion~]

Pretty sure Jiraiya "knew" Asura path was behind him before he actually attacked him, still couldn't react.

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I don't see how that is any different than what would happen here, he'd sense his reappearence behind him but won't be able to react if Danzo can attack quick enough.

 

[KidGamer65]

Pretty sure Jiraiya "knew" Asura path was behind him before he actually attacked him, still couldn't react.

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I don't see how that is any different than what would happen here, he'd sense his reappearence behind him but won't be able to react if Danzo can attack quick enough.

Judging by the ridiculously obvious expression on his face, I'm going to go ahead and say that he had no idea he was behind him until he actually said something. If he could sense he would've known he was there from the start, thus would have a much easier time reacting.

 

[Curse Mark]

1. Jiraiya doesn't need to be on the toad.
2. Even if he was, all he'd need to do is block with Needle Jizo and then make a clone to fend off any counter attacks the toads can't take care of themselves. All he'd have to do is start the process over again after moving.

What kind of question is "Why would he use his trump against a guy with unknown abilities who has been experimented on by Orochimaru of all people?" :lol I mean, really now? Even then, Sage Mode isn't needed for him to win. If he doesn't use Sage Mode then he'll rely on combination attacks with summons or clones. Either way Danzo doesn't stand a chance and the fact that the only argument for him is "he blindsides him and then kills him with a Kunai" doesn't help your case.

I'm confused about
1. Why you think Jiraiya would see the attack coming
2. Why Jiraiya would be able to react
Zexion already showed that wasn't the case against Asura.

If you think I ever mentioned him being killed with a regular kunai you haven't read anything I said before you joined the thread.

 

[Zexion~]

Judging by the ridiculously obvious expression on his face, I'm going to go ahead and say that he had no idea he was behind him until he actually said something. If he could sense he would've known he was there from the start, thus would have a much easier time reacting.

Yes, but thats exactly whats going to happen here, he can't sense Danzo until he reapears and since he'll reapear IMEDIATELY behind Jiraiya (unless you can give me a reason he wouldn't) the same scenario would take place.

 

[ComplexCity]

If he's trying to enter Sage Mode then he'd obviously need a distraction. "not enough time" is obviously false nor does that even make sense. As long as he can fend Danzo off he has plenty of time to enter Sage Mode....and what?

-The moment Animal Path started using his abilities he said he was going to enter Sage Mode, and that was the beginning of their fight.
-He's only fought Orochimaru once on panel, and that was way back in Part 1 when he was drugged and couldn't access his full power.



Obviously not. :lol

I meant to say before he lost an arm but Zexion pretty Mich cleared it up

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes, but thats exactly whats going to happen here, he can't sense Danzo until he reapears and since he'll reapear IMEDIATELY behind Jiraiya (unless you can give me a reason he wouldn't) the same scenario would take place.

Uh, no. What happened when Danzo appeared behind Sasuke is the same as what happened with Asura. Jiraya/Sasuke didnt feel the opponents presence until they said aomething. The moment they attack and the moment they appear arent anywhere close to being the same instance thus your point obviously doesnt make sense. If the moment of appearance and the moment of attack were thr same then sensing wouldnt matter. So unless Danzo can blitz Jiraiya eith any of his attacks then Jiraiya lives.