jiraiya vs akatsuki

[blazekev90]

Coming back from my hiatus just to note that Kisame nor Itachi were speaking about Jiraiya in that famous manga page. They were speaking about the kyuubi, gotta read it in it's context, because the structure makes no sense if they're referring to Jiraiya.

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"Even if you might be able to take HIM on, I'm not so sure about me. HE'S in a different league."

"It was great finally finding HIM at the ramen shop, but.. HIS babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend"

So..Jiraiya is babysitting Jiraiya?

No. Jiraiya is babysitting Naruto. That is the he(and why I emphasized the he/him etc) Kisame is referring to(well, the beast inside Naruto).

Kisame even notes after their encounter with Jiraiya that Itachi could have taken him.

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This came after Kisame had subdued Naruto by taking his chakra away from him so he was no longer considered a potential threat in releasing the kyuubi.

As far as responding to the thread, Jiraiya can win against everyone outside of Obito, Pain and Itachi. I suppose you could add Orochimaru to this list if you're counting him, but I think that's more of a toss up than a win either way. There are scenarios where he could beat Pain and Itachi but they rely solely on Gama Rinsho which is difficult to set up. against them.

Wtf?! This is a major reach lol

 

[BLAZE]

"It was great finally finding HIM at the ramen shop, but.. HIS babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend"

damn man :lol

 

[TheLostShinobi]

Only fish take baits, mans thought I was Kisame lmao.

Does Kimimaro not beat Hidan?

 

[ToshiZO]

Does Kimimaro not beat Hidan?

Idk, nor care. Random topic.

 

[KidGamer65]

Does your version of the manga include this chapter?

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Just in case excuses

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Mastered her Bijuu but her best attack was a fireball :lol

Mastered her Bijuu but what her Bijuu did on it's own later on in the Manga far surpasses anything she did against that fodder :lol

Raikage is one of the only people hyped to be strong enough to take a Bijuu on 1 v 1. :lol

Thinks Hidan's hype reaches that level as well. :lol

:lol Yeah, try again. No wank this time.

 

[ToshiZO]

Mastered her Bijuu but her best attack was a fireball :lol

Mastered her Bijuu but what her Bijuu did on it's own later on in the Manga far surpasses anything she did against that fodder :lol

Raikage is one of the only people hyped to be strong enough to take a Bijuu on 1 v 1. :lol

Thinks Hidan's hype reaches that level as well. :lol

:lol Yeah, try again. No wank this time.

Don't care. That was what was portrayed.

She's from the cloud prob went through the same training as Bee.

I only provide facts. Take it as you will.

 

[BLAZE]

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[ToshiZO]

lel

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old panel everyone knows of this.

Yugito didn't have "true" control over her Bijuu. Not the point, never was.

What she could control was entering her full Bijuu. Only relevant point here is that was her full Bijuu, she had mastery to that extent.

 

[KidGamer65]

Don't care. That was what was portrayed.

She's from the cloud prob went through the same training as Bee.

I only provide facts. Take it as you will.

No, that's not what was portrayed. What was portrayed is that Hidan can handle a Yugito who isn't a Perfect Jinchuuriki, thus is not as strong as her Bijuu, thus he was never portrayed as being able to defeat a Bijuu. Defeating someone who can enter Full Bijuu form is irrelevant for portrayal if that form is weaker than the real thing. :lol Like I said, don't berate people about portrayal when you twist the meaning around once Hidan becomes involved.

"She prob went through the same training as Bee"

"I only provide facts"

Lmao my sides are aching

 

[BLAZE]

old panel everyone knows of this.
Yugito didn't have "true" control over her Bijuu. Not the point, never was.
What she could control was entering her full Bijuu. Only relevant point here is that was her full Bijuu, she had mastery to that extent.

No true control = No true power= not bijuu

 

[ToshiZO]

No, that's not what was portrayed. What was portrayed is that Hidan can handle a Yugito who isn't a Perfect Jinchuuriki, thus is not as strong as her Bijuu, thus he was never portrayed as being able to defeat a Bijuu. Defeating someone who can enter Full Bijuu form is irrelevant for portrayal if that form is weaker than the real thing. :lol Like I said, don't berate people about portrayal when you twist the meaning around once Hidan becomes involved.

"She prob went through the same training as Bee"

"I only provide facts"

Lmao my sides are aching

She was said to have mastered her Bijuu (fact), she can enter her Bijuu at will (fact). Her being from the cloud, logical deduction she went through the same training as Bee.

The manga states explicitly she completely entered her full form. Yet once again your version of the manga doesn't include this.

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Guess this chapter wasn't in your version after all. All I was asking, got my answer.

 

[DrProof]

Wtf?! This is a major reach lol

Major reach? Can you not see the context lol. Doesn't require genius level understanding to see they're talking about Kurama, then Jiraiya.

 

[Zexion~]

Hidan > Juubi

 

[NarutoX28]

Coming back from my hiatus just to note that Kisame nor Itachi were speaking about Jiraiya in that famous manga page. They were speaking about the kyuubi, gotta read it in it's context, because the structure makes no sense if they're referring to Jiraiya.

The viz page:

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"Even if you might be able to take HIM on, I'm not so sure about me. HE'S in a different league."

"It was great finally finding HIM at the ramen shop, but.. HIS babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend"

So..Jiraiya is babysitting Jiraiya?

No. Jiraiya is babysitting Naruto. That is the he(and why I emphasized the he/him etc) Kisame is referring to(well, the beast inside Naruto).

Kisame even notes after their encounter with Jiraiya that Itachi could have taken him.

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This came after Kisame had subdued Naruto by taking his chakra away from him so he was no longer considered a potential threat in releasing the kyuubi.

As far as responding to the thread, Jiraiya can win against everyone outside of Obito, Pain and Itachi. I suppose you could add Orochimaru to this list if you're counting him, but I think that's more of a toss up than a win either way. There are scenarios where he could beat Pain and Itachi but they rely solely on Gama Rinsho which is difficult to set up. against them.

I've heard that explanation before and it's a huge reach and it tells me that you have no idea what a vague referent is. This also tells me that you cannot analyze context as Kisame's comparison between "Him" and Itachi and Kisame is a direct comparison between Jiraiya and Itachi & Kisame's fame and prestige as he directly compares his titles to his enemy. Naruto has no such title, so a comparison cannot be made between them.

All you did is make a facile comparison between the word choices Kishimoto used while neglecting context and failing to comprehend the concept of a vague referent. The context of Kisame's claim in addition to what succeeds it when Itachi and Kisame battle Jiraiya tells us that Kisame was referring to Jiraiya. This is also why Kakashi believed that the Akatsuki avoided Naruto due to Jiraiya's presence.

There is nothing concrete that suggests what you're claiming. Frankly, we're told that Jiraiya was revered as a powerful shinobi even for the likes of the Akatsuki which denotes what Kisame was referring to all along, Jiraiya.

 

[NarutoX28]

Major reach? Can you not see the context lol. Doesn't require genius level understanding to see they're talking about Kurama, then Jiraiya.

Not really no. Understanding the nature of this site reduces the credibility of this assertion even more.

 

[ToshiZO]

I've heard that explanation before and it's a huge reach and it tells me that you have no idea what a vague referent is. This also tells me that you cannot analyze context as Kisame's comparison between "Him" and Itachi and Kisame is a direct comparison between Jiraiya and Itachi & Kisame's fame and prestige as he directly compares his titles to his enemy. Naruto has no such title, so a comparison cannot be made between them.

All you did is make a facile comparison between the word choices Kishimoto used while neglecting context and failing to comprehend the concept of a vague referent. The context of Kisame's claim in addition to what succeeds it when Itachi and Kisame battle Jiraiya tells us that Kisame was referring to Jiraiya. This is also why Kakashi believed that the Akatsuki avoided Naruto due to Jiraiya's presence.

There is nothing concrete that suggests what you're claiming. Frankly, we're told that Jiraiya was revered as a powerful shinobi even for the likes of the Akatsuki which denotes what Kisame was referring to all along, Jiraiya.

Does this even need to be explained? Surprised this is even a thing.

We're ignoring context cues, for semantics through a translated medium. Those aren't even the word choices Kishimoto used, that's literally just picking on the sentence structure/ grammar choice of the english language by translators.

 

[DrProof]

Not really no. Understanding the nature of this site reduces the credibility of this assertion even more.

Yes, actually it is. You're arguing against the direct dialogue. I just don't understand you cant decipher the context correctly. The first portion he's talking about Kurama, the second is Jiraiya. "His baby sitter, one of the three great ninja." Come on now...

 

[NarutoX28]

Yes, actually it is. You're arguing against the direct dialogue. I just don't understand you cant decipher the context correctly. The first portion he's talking about Kurama, the second is Jiraiya. "His baby sitter, one of the three great ninja." Come on now...

Funny because there is no mention of Kurama anywhere. What's also hilarious is that you're arguing that there is no connection between, "He's in an entirely different league" and "Even our titles pale in comparison". Honestly, do you even know what you're arguing here?

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I've heard that explanation before and it's a huge reach and it tells me that you have no idea what a vague referent is. This also tells me that you cannot analyze context as Kisame's comparison between "Him" and Itachi and Kisame is a direct comparison between Jiraiya and Itachi & Kisame's fame and prestige as he directly compares his titles to his enemy. Naruto has no such title, so a comparison cannot be made between them.

All you did is make a facile comparison between the word choices Kishimoto used while neglecting context and failing to comprehend the concept of a vague referent. The context of Kisame's claim in addition to what succeeds it when Itachi and Kisame battle Jiraiya tells us that Kisame was referring to Jiraiya. This is also why Kakashi believed that the Akatsuki avoided Naruto due to Jiraiya's presence.

There is nothing concrete that suggests what you're claiming. Frankly, we're told that Jiraiya was revered as a powerful shinobi even for the likes of the Akatsuki which denotes what Kisame was referring to all along, Jiraiya.

Plus based on EK's explanation wouldn't it be implying that Itachi is calling the kyuubi a hero.

 

[DrProof]

Funny because there is no mention of Kurama anywhere. What's also hilarious is that you're arguing that there is no connection between, "He's in an entirely different league" and "Even our titles pale in comparison". Honestly, do you even know what you're arguing here?

"He's in an entirely different league":

He = Kurama/Naruto being the host

"Even our titles pale in comparison":

Jiraiya

This isn't hard to comprehend. Jesus.