jiraiya is the weakest sannins

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

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All itachi needs is suanoo and the totsuka sword.

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It's a common mistake to assume Susano'o is a primarily defensive jutsu. It's not. The databook first and foremost hypes the

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that presumably surpasses his other two techniques. It caught Orochimaru in between words (orochimar same speed stats with jiraya), right in front of him, without him even noticing, when other speed demons get

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off. Kakashi and Danzō had to use instant jutsu to deflect Susano'o attacks because they were so fast, and Sasuke only recently attained

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of Susano'o, which the author decided was a power-up to save for later. If Jiraiya is in the vicinity when it's activated, or if he thinks he break through it, then he's dead. It's also the best defensive (yata mirror) jutsu in the manga, changing nature and shape to allegedly counter any jutsu.


Jiraya only counters to susanoo

1. earth style swamp of the underworld
   
   Itachi can read the intentions of someone with the sharingan and seen as swamp of the underworld is an earth style jutsu not a KGG or a Sage art. he can copy it instantly and use against jiraya like he did to kabuto here
   
   

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   It simply depends on whos handseals are faster and we know jiraya gets a 4.5 while itachi gets a 5 for handseals in the databook​
2. Food cart destroyer
   
   THe frog summoned will land on the pointy edge of the sword of totsuka and be sacrifaced for no good reason the sharingan also can predict it comming.​

Rep++ except tht itachi himself said the best he could do would be a stale mate


And as for the oro thing tht wasn't speed feats tbh during the fight the sword acted as a normal sword cutting off heads witch grew back oro he then stabs oro oro says u think that is enough to stop me (because he got ripped in half by 4 tails and simply reattached himself) then it started sealing him oro didn't know tht was the sword of toswaka (can't spell) if he did or if they were to fight again it wouldn't end like tht the sword has no speed feats

It sealed oro in hydra mode (shit is huge can't miss it or u fail plus oro didn't know what it was)
And sealed a crippled mind controlled nagato (kabuto took over his body so he couldnt move and think for himself )
Theses arnt impressive to me when itachi seals something impressive like a mobile shinobi with guy speed or even just Kakashi or sasuke speed I'll be impressed..

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I'm not really sure what you have against Jiraiya or if this is even a serious post. Regardless, though, I have to disagree.

1. There is no evidence that Orochimaru is the strongest of the Sannin. He certainly knows some of the most powerful techniques in the series, but Jiraiya had some pretty impressive techniques in his arsenal, too. Jiraiya could use Sage Mode, which Orochimaru tried to obtain, but failed. Furthermore, Jiraiya survived an attack from Naruto while training when the 4-tailed cloak first appeared. This matches Orochimaru's feat, but Jiraiya also managed to stop Naruto, whereas Orochimaru ran away while Yamato sealed the chakra cloak.

2. Tsunade may be the best support ninja in the series, but she is primarily a taijutsu user, which makes her weaker than the other Sannin in terms of combat potential. Both Orochimaru and Jiraiya have long-range attacks while Tsunade only has physical (short-range) attacks. Additionally, Tsunade's summon has not shown any offensive capabilities whatsoever. Katsuyu can divide into multiple, smaller versions of herself, provide healing chakra, and a be used as a means of communication.

3. Tsunade's most powerful technique needs to be built up over months, if not years, in order for it to be used at full power. She stores excess chakra behind the seal in her forehead which can be released when needed, but she cannot use the technique in rapid succession after those reserves have been spent. This was shown when she released the chakra during Pains attack on the Leaf Village, and she quickly reverted to her older form and fell into a coma.

4. As for Sage Mode, while it does take time for a single person to gather natural energy, Jiraiya uses the elder toads attached to his shoulders to achieve this while he moves around. He could theoretically summon the toads at the beginning of a battle or even before going into combat and have Sage Mode available to him almost immediately.

He didn't fail the current body he was using couldn't absorb sage chakra smh had he another body it would b different story

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I'm not really sure what you have against Jiraiya or if this is even a serious post. Regardless, though, I have to disagree.

1. There is no evidence that Orochimaru is the strongest of the Sannin. He certainly knows some of the most powerful techniques in the series, but Jiraiya had some pretty impressive techniques in his arsenal, too. Jiraiya could use Sage Mode, which Orochimaru tried to obtain, but failed. Furthermore, Jiraiya survived an attack from Naruto while training when the 4-tailed cloak first appeared. This matches Orochimaru's feat, but Jiraiya also managed to stop Naruto, whereas Orochimaru ran away while Yamato sealed the chakra cloak.

2. Tsunade may be the best support ninja in the series, but she is primarily a taijutsu user, which makes her weaker than the other Sannin in terms of combat potential. Both Orochimaru and Jiraiya have long-range attacks while Tsunade only has physical (short-range) attacks. Additionally, Tsunade's summon has not shown any offensive capabilities whatsoever. Katsuyu can divide into multiple, smaller versions of herself, provide healing chakra, and a be used as a means of communication.

3. Tsunade's most powerful technique needs to be built up over months, if not years, in order for it to be used at full power. She stores excess chakra behind the seal in her forehead which can be released when needed, but she cannot use the technique in rapid succession after those reserves have been spent. This was shown when she released the chakra during Pains attack on the Leaf Village, and she quickly reverted to her older form and fell into a coma.

4. As for Sage Mode, while it does take time for a single person to gather natural energy, Jiraiya uses the elder toads attached to his shoulders to achieve this while he moves around. He could theoretically summon the toads at the beginning of a battle or even before going into combat and have Sage Mode available to him almost immediately.

5. Finally, Jiraiya went up against Paths of Pain by himself. Granted that he eventually lost, but he managed to capture one of them, and temporarily kill two others. Tsunade couldn't handle one Path of Pain, since she would have died if Naruto hadn't saved her by crushing the Asura Path with a Rasengan.

I am not saying that any one of the Sannin are better than the others since each has his/her own strengths and weaknesses. I just mean to prove a point.

Oro was sickly in need of new body he was playing with 4tails and smiling the whole time jariya was injured because of the 4 tails did u c oro injured no jariya fight we didn't even see and tht a was little boy naruto 4 tails or cloak not shore it was 4 tails oro took on and played with teen naruto 4 tails


U do relize snakes over toads jariya can't go into sage mode with oro oro will stop it jariya can't use his toads to block him

And lastly jariya has no way even with sage mode of destroying hydra mode the heads keep regenerating and has yellow beams similar to TBB plus each time u destroy a head it releases deadly poisen tht if jariya breaths in would be dead also jariya won't know about this cuz he never used it on jariya or had it when the sannin was together unlike jariya who everybody knows has sage mode

 

[Owarij]

Rep++ except tht itachi himself said the best he could do would be a stale mate

Read over all the entire scenes of Itachi coming to konoha, then read over tobi explaing Itachi's reasoning for going...

Read closely the part that Itachi joined akatsuki to spy for konoha and monitor their activities..

If after all of that you still believe he went there to fight konoha ninja, You may have to read it all over again...

He spared kakashi's life because he doesn't want to kill him.. He lied to jiraya and told him

that Him + kisame + back up from akatsuki, all can't take jiraya..
do you believe that? Itachi, kisame, sasori and nagato can't beat jiraya?
it was an obvious lie..

Which is why in the end, when Kisame saw jiraya for himself, he asked

"Why is retreat necessary??! for you"

 

[Dolpha Mihawk]

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orochimaru as standing in a str8 line for itachi,you think jman will just sit their and look at a sword coming to him?

food cart destroyer?
how can the sharigan predict something coming above the user?

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your acting like itachi will instantly notice and react to food cart destroyer.

assumption that itachi will just copy jman's handseal.

your forgetting ma and pa play a part in this t

As for the hyped Food Cart Destroyer or Yomi Numa for that matter, please note: Jiriaya said that his senbon technique was his

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i.e. his hardest jutsu to evade. The databook text of Food Cart Destroyer does say "right above". However, it means right above as "in a straight line above". The Japanese word is 真上 (ma-ue). There is no implication of distance, other than the mentioned several hundred-foot dive. This is why it has only ever been used on giant creatures, and not tiny ninja, because the ninja have a great deal more time to react which is what it says in the databook also

A destructive dive that takes full advantage of a giant toad's body mass. The strength of the fall varies depending on the user. In the case of someone like Jiraiya from the Sannin, the summon can be performed in an instant right above the target, further adding the great gravitational force of a several hundred metre-high dive to the toad's own weight. It's mostly used on summons and giant creatures and but not much smaller ninja as there is a greater time for them to react

↑ Second Databook, page 212

and yes iam asuming he will do the handseals for swamp and he can do and it's the best option.

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Jiriaya does not behave like a genius. He will most likely not make an immediate tactical retreat for Hermit Mode, as Gamaken was simply

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, and Jiriaya is the guy who hopped on

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to fight him. He will most likely not make a combat team of Kage Bunshin when it would have

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instead of using one as a momentary distraction. On the other hand, Itachi most likely will use genjutsu, and his Mangekyō Sharingan techniques, which Jiraiya can't answer to. Jiraiya needs to be smarter than Itachi to have a chance of winning... but he's not.
Most likely actuallly like i said orochimaru has the same stats for speed and reactions . and yet it caught him between word. he didn't see it coming and neither would jiraya and orochimaru was a fair distance from him at the time.
what you said didn't counter what i posted at all really so i'm ignoring that you didn't counter it.

Paa can be controlled and he can behead jiraya

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Read over all the entire scenes of Itachi coming to konoha, then read over tobi explaing Itachi's reasoning for going...

Read closely the part that Itachi joined akatsuki to spy for konoha and monitor their activities..

If after all of that you still believe he went there to fight konoha ninja, You may have to read it all over again...

He spared kakashi's life because he doesn't want to kill him.. He lied to jiraya and told him

that Him + kisame + back up from akatsuki, all can't take jiraya..
do you believe that? Itachi, kisame, sasori and nagato can't beat jiraya?
it was an obvious lie..

Which is why in the end, when Kisame saw jiraya for himself, he asked

"Why is retreat necessary??! for you"

He didn't didnot kill Kakashi out of kindness he said it would start a war tht the Akasuki wouldn't be ready for in time

And he didn't say entire Akasuki couldn't beat jariya idk where u heard tht or read it if u bring up the chapter then I'll believe u
Kisame did indeed say retreat was only option one being kisame jutsus attract attention and the best he can do with jariya on his own would be a stale mate between the 2 witch I believe because even look back on sasuke vs itachi u c he couldn't hold the Susanno for long periods of time due to bad chakra and stamina reserves witch is itachi only weakness

 

[james the fourth]

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_O- _O- _O-​

As for the hyped Food Cart Destroyer or Yomi Numa for that matter, please note: Jiriaya said that his senbon technique was his

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i.e. his hardest jutsu to evade. The databook text of Food Cart Destroyer does say "right above". However, it means right above as "in a straight line above". The Japanese word is 真上 (ma-ue). There is no implication of distance, other than the mentioned several hundred-foot dive. This is why it has only ever been used on giant creatures, and not tiny ninja, because the ninja have a great deal more time to react which is what it says in the databook also



↑ Second Databook, page 212

and yes iam asuming he will do the handseals for swamp and he can do and it's the best option.

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Jiriaya does not behave like a genius. He will most likely not make an immediate tactical retreat for Hermit Mode, as Gamaken was simply

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, and Jiriaya is the guy who hopped on

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to fight him. He will most likely not make a combat team of Kage Bunshin when it would have

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instead of using one as a momentary distraction. On the other hand, Itachi most likely will use genjutsu, and his Mangekyō Sharingan techniques, which Jiraiya can't answer to. Jiraiya needs to be smarter than Itachi to have a chance of winning... but he's not.
Most likely actuallly like i said orochimaru has the same stats for speed and reactions . and yet it caught him between word. he didn't see it coming and neither would jiraya and orochimaru was a fair distance from him at the time.
what you said didn't counter what i posted at all really so i'm ignoring that you didn't counter it.

tiny target.

your forgetting itachi is sussano which isnt a tiny target.

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you keep forgetting ma and pa but ill let that slide

not to mention jman can easily use needle hair to grab on to itachi's sussano to get himself out of swamp underworld

 

[Blaze Release]

How the **** did this turn into a vs thread. Seriously the amount of dumb ****s on here is annoying. Dolpha learn to ignore trolls, that joki guy has already admitted he is a troll and you just fell for his rather blatant attempt.

Anyway jiraiya is either tied with oro as the strongest or he is just below oro.
Deffo above Tsunade

 

[james the fourth]

How the **** did this turn into a vs thread. Seriously the amount of dumb ****s on here is annoying. Dolpha learn to ignore trolls, that joki guy has already admitted he is a troll and you just fell for his rather blatant attempt.

Anyway jiraiya is either tied with oro as the strongest or he is just below oro.
Deffo above Tsunade

because you guys know i will defeat you.

 

[Owarij]

He didn't didnot kill Kakashi out of kindness he said it would start a war tht the Akasuki wouldn't be ready for in time

And he didn't say entire Akasuki couldn't beat jariya idk where u heard tht or read it if u bring up the chapter then I'll believe u
Kisame did indeed say retreat was only option one being kisame jutsus attract attention and the best he can do with jariya on his own would be a stale mate between the 2 witch I believe because even look back on sasuke vs itachi u c he couldn't hold the Susanno for long periods of time due to bad chakra and stamina reserves witch is itachi only weakness

Wrong, they didn't continue to fight because more ninjas would eventually come..
itachi spared kakashi in tsukyomi by simply making it 3 days of pain when he clearly said he has no limitations in tsukyomi world..

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It's what he does when he doesn't want to kill someone.. he analyses how much torture one can take and uses it..
for eg he only gives sasuke 1 day of torture.

As for the akatsuki thing, here you go

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[MidKnight]

The sad part is that OP isnt trolling, he actually thinks he correct. *sigh U_U

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Wrong, they didn't continue to fight because more ninjas would eventually come..
itachi spared kakashi in tsukyomi by simply making it 3 days of pain when he clearly said he has no limitations in tsukyomi world..

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It's what he does when he doesn't want to kill someone.. he analyses how much torture one can take and uses it..
for eg he only gives sasuke 1 day of torture.

As for the akatsuki thing, here you go

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He didn't say Akasuki but who else would he be talking about
But at the same time Akasuki only work in pairs so the only back up would be kisame and itachi doesn't like kisame fighting in villages or near them because his jutsu are on a huge scale
So I believe u thou because I Dnt think jariya couldn't take itachi and kisame alone

 

[The God of Wind]

This thread was obviously made for pissing people off or just to get as many posts and views as possible, cuz clearly this guys just begging for some attention. no one in their right mind would ever make this statement. "If we did not have this secret, we would have died" these were pain's exact words. You have the gaul to type something like that?

the guy who raised three of the best shinobis in the world, sensei of the children of prophecy, the one who could have brought destruction to the WORLD, and the saviour!

And yet you dare to undermine the great toad mountain sage. You think orochimaru could stand a chance against pain, let me tell you the only reason you think that is because you saw jiraiya do what he did to pain. This is obviously to get attention, cuz you cannot honestly think that.

 

[Dolpha Mihawk]

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tiny target.

your forgetting itachi is sussano which isnt a tiny target.

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you keep forgetting ma and pa but ill let that slide

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Yes but itachi is a small target he's not a giant creature and more importantly many times Has he been able to counter an attack or predict the presence of something without looking.

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- Cleanly negating an ambush (that got

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- Noticed Sasuke before Kisame or Naruto (who was facing him) did.

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He knew (sensed?) that Sasuke wasn't dead when Akatsuki believed it so.

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He sensed Sasuke when Fukasaku and Mikoto, Uchiha Jounin, did not.

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Itachi located Sasuke and instructed him to go to the Uchiha hideout.

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He controls chakra further away than most sensors can sense it.

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He was the only one (possibly first) to discover and approach Madara.

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He was blind, and "felt" Orochimaru's technique.

and no i didn't forget ma and pa (if he for some strange reason gets enough time to summon them).

i said pa will be controlled by itachi and gien the command to remove jirayas head

 

[kourosh]

stfu please

1.jiraiya
2.orochimaru
3.tsunade

 

[Owarij]

He didn't say Akasuki but who else would he be talking about
But at the same time Akasuki only work in pairs so the only back up would be kisame and itachi doesn't like kisame fighting in villages or near them because his jutsu are on a huge scale
So I believe u thou because I Dnt think jariya couldn't take itachi and kisame alone

The link was broken so i fixed it, you clearly see Kakashi there thinking to himself why itachi didn't just kill him..

Back then we had no idea itachi was good, so it was weird, but after tobi explained everything it's obvious... It was because of him konoha became an off limits zone for akatsuki.. He had no reason to attack konoha or fight its ninjas... he was trying to protect konoha..




Now using common sense on what both jiraya and itachi have shown, there is no way Jiraya can win..

 

[james the fourth]

Yes but itachi is a small target he's not a giant creature and more importantly many times Has he been able to counter an attack or predict the presence of something without looking.

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- Cleanly negating an ambush (that got

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)

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- Noticed Sasuke before Kisame or Naruto (who was facing him) did.

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He knew (sensed?) that Sasuke wasn't dead when Akatsuki believed it so.

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He sensed Sasuke when Fukasaku and Mikoto, Uchiha Jounin, did not.

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Itachi located Sasuke and instructed him to go to the Uchiha hideout.

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He controls chakra further away than most sensors can sense it.

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He was the only one (possibly first) to discover and approach Madara.

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He was blind, and "felt" Orochimaru's technique.

and no i didn't forget ma and pa (if he for some strange reason gets enough time to summon them).

i said pa will be controlled by itachi and gien the command to remove jirayas head

everyone knows kakauzu got trolled.

he sensed sasuke wasnt dead because he had faith in him and thats his little brother ofc.

sensing sasuke when his father and mother didnt? thats called brotherly instinct and etc...

gratz he discovered tobi and approached him.

gratz he can control chakra further away

no he wasn't blind he was almost completely blind but not officially blind.
not to mention he encountered orochimaru before,pretty why he said i know this feeling.

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itachi said he doesn't have the ability to sense chakra.

like ma will just sit their and let that old geezer do that to jman

 

[Dolpha Mihawk]

everyone knows kakauzu got trolled.

he sensed sasuke wasnt dead because he had faith in him and thats his little brother ofc.

sensing sasuke when his father and mother didnt? thats called brotherly instinct and etc...

gratz he discovered tobi and approached him.

gratz he can control chakra further away

no he wasn't blind he was almost completely blind but not officially blind.
not to mention he encountered orochimaru before,pretty why he said i know this feeling.

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itachi said he doesn't have the ability to sense chakra.

like ma will just sit their and let that old geezer do that to jman

i never said itachi was a sensor i said he's perceptive enough to predict an attack without looking.

which he has done on multiple ocassions.

 

[james the fourth]

i never said itachi was a sensor i said he's perceptive enough to predict an attack without looking.

which he has done on multiple ocassions.

anything else you have to defend itachi?

 

[Owarij]

Lol james, your posts , were they from Digital monster?