It's usually the current powers but minus w/e restrictions the OP decides.
Well regarding the Pain fight, we never saw Naruto converse with the Kyuubi as it just happened instantly. Other then Madara whose had the Kyuubi under his direct control, we've never seen the Sharingan control the Kyuubi mode once it's out and about. Rikudou Sennin was just a GOD as Nagato wasn't on his level. I guess he couldn't replicate his abilities.
Thats more or less what i was trying to say, i think if Naruto went into tailed mode Sasuke couldn't stop the flow of the Kyuubi chakra, but before that i have no clue.
why shouldnt sasuke be able to surpress it? pain never showed the ambition to surpress it, he provoked a fight against it. pain wanted to show that he is stronger than the fox. naruto had already the marks of the fox-mode when sasuke surpressed it.
MS gives sasuke Susano'o and Amaterasu, While SM gives Naruto alot of extra strength alot better variations on rasengan, also 4-Tailed gives massive amounts of chakra, strength, and energy.
sasuke couldnt keep up with raikage either, and pretty much won this fight. until now susano'o is unbreakable, and i dont see naruto being fast enough to evade amaterasu, especially because the fox never showed any attempt to evade any incoming attack.
i'm pretty much convinced that naruto is slower than raikage, at least without the fox (which is what we are talking about). konan had enough time to jump infront of nagato when naruto attacked, and of raikage they said that he can move at the speed of light, he evaded a beam he didnt expect of about 2 meters diameter in less than a second.
Sasuke win?? Yea righ, he ran away with his tail betweens his legs to get beat by Mizukage saved by Zetsu then beat by tsuchikage and saved by Madara. Who do you think won once Sasuke lost susano'o he would of been masacred.
of course he didnt win against all five kages, but he was wining against raikage, who already lost his arm. i dont know weather the kagu tsuchi (the amaterasu-shield) would have been able to block the kick completely, but raikage would have lost his arm and his leg, so even in the worst scenario where sasuke had been killed raikage never could fight again. it was at least a tie.
I agree 8 tails is as old as 9 tails, but he didn't get overwhelmed by amaterasu he used it to escaoe his village. Raikage only lost his arm which he cut off himself and still managed to fight Sasuek. The 4th was just extremely fast especially with FTG thats why the kyuubi didn't dodge the attack. SAsuke used his CS as a crutch, he used it in every fight, Naruto uses his SM wisely and even beat Deva realm without it. So I would say the difference is that great. I Would say SM-Naruto is at least equivalent to 1Tail-Naruto which CS2-Sasuke only beat because Naruti didn't want to kill him.
CS Sasuke is not on the same level as Sage Mode Naruto. Naruto is stronger, faster plus more durable and a winged shield is not going to do much to stop one of those punches.
Well Konan only had to cover a very short distance to her right and she's no exactly a slow character. It takes nothing away from his speed. Raikage used an amplified shushin no jutsu which any character can technically do and they have info on Amaterasu so I wouldn't say he didn't expect it.
sasuke's jutsus and speed increase when he gets to level 2, i wasnt thinking of the shield, but of sasuke's speed, in which it could be a tie between sm-naruto and cs2-sasuke. im not quite sure about that, but i think it could be.
Naruto seems to want to abuse his sm, he is training it at the moment and fought against pain just the last few minutes without sm and fox, whereas sasuke used cs against deideira about 50:50 and against itachi he used it often, but only went two times completely level 2 and was most of the time in his normal mode.
FTG is Flying Thunder God, an advanced shunshin jutsu, not the Shiki Fujin Death seal, which he used to seal the fox.
But Sage mode has shown incredible speed as well. It's a bit hard to differentiate with speed feats but it's a moot point with the other benefits of Sage Mode giving a better advantage. Sasuke hasn't shown anything like that and Jugo is the true source of the CS so expect his ultimate form to pack the most force. Jiraiya's was her former sensei and knew how to weaken the paper so I doubt she's been put in that situation many times before at her current level. She took on a full blown Katon in the previous chapter. If Sage Mode increases speed and Kyuubi Mode increases speed, then both of them working in harmony should give him speed greater then the Raikages.
