[Question] Jimbei or Doffy?

Who's stronger?

  • Jinbei

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Doffy

    Votes: 12 92.3%

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Jimbei tanked a magma punch but Doffy still takes it
The standards for tanking an attack are really dropping. The magma punch rendered Jinbei immobile and put him out of commission and would have killed him had it not been for Law. He didn't tank shit.

OT: Doffy.

Its cool how you talk about everything Doffy went through that day, but dont bring up everything luffy went through as well.

Fought a Dragon
Fought Brownbeard
Fought Centaurs
The Yetti Brother
Fought Smoker and Tagashi
Luffy was knocked unconscious by Ceasar
Fought and Monet
Fought Ceasar

Later fought Chinjoa
Fought Hajrudin
Fought Jean Ango
Entered the Collisieum and fought the entire Block C (Engaged in King's Haki battle with Chinjoa)
Fought Galdius
Fought Pica
Fought Giant Exploding Toys
Then had to fight Doflamingo
Fight Doflomigo's Clone and Bellamy
Then Trebol
Then finally 1 on 1 with Doflamingo again.


Dont act like luffy was fresh while doflamingo had been going hard all day, because that isnt true. Luffy was just as engaged in battle that entire day as doflamingo. It was stated during their fight that THEY BOTH WERE EQUALLY TIRED AND BEAT UP[ ]-[ ]!!!

My point is that there was nothing Doflamingo could do to a 4th Gear Luffy. And you cant say that King Kong Gun wouldnt have taken Doffy out from the beginning because it obviously had packed at LEAST 50x more power then kong gun.

Please dont think I'm saying Doffy is not strong. I just disagree with the statement that "Doffy Handled Gear 4 Luffy", because when I watched the fight I didnt see one instance when Doffy was able to stop him. Doffy survived Gear 4 Luffy the first round, but he by no means HANDLED him.

Thats all Im saying.






My point was that Doffy didnt "Handle Gear 4" there was nothing he could do to stop it. He could handle luffy in Base and gears 2 and 3, but to state doffy was Handling a Luffy in Gear 4 would be a mis-use of words.
DID YOU JUST INCLUDE THE STUFF THAT HAPPENED DAYS AGO ON PUNK HAZARD GAHGHGH
 
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Doffy obviously. I think that Jinbei is at best slightly stronger than Sanji. We've already seen his ougi technique and it was no better than Sanji's hell memories. The only location where he may be Doffy level though is underwater assuming he lives up to his hype
 

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Its cool how you talk about everything Doffy went through that day, but dont bring up everything luffy went through as well.

Fought a Dragon
Fought Brownbeard
Fought Centaurs
The Yetti Brother
Fought Smoker and Tagashi
Luffy was knocked unconscious by Ceasar
Fought and Monet
Fought Ceasar

Later fought Chinjoa
Fought Hajrudin
Fought Jean Ango
Entered the Collisieum and fought the entire Block C (Engaged in King's Haki battle with Chinjoa)
Fought Galdius
Fought Pica
Fought Giant Exploding Toys
Then had to fight Doflamingo
Fight Doflomigo's Clone and Bellamy
Then Trebol
Then finally 1 on 1 with Doflamingo again.


Dont act like luffy was fresh while doflamingo had been going hard all day, because that isnt true. Luffy was just as engaged in battle that entire day as doflamingo. It was stated during their fight that THEY BOTH WERE EQUALLY TIRED AND BEAT UP[ ]-[ ]!!!

My point is that there was nothing Doflamingo could do to a 4th Gear Luffy. And you cant say that King Kong Gun wouldnt have taken Doffy out from the beginning because it obviously had packed at LEAST 50x more power then kong gun.

Please dont think I'm saying Doffy is not strong. I just disagree with the statement that "Doffy Handled Gear 4 Luffy", because when I watched the fight I didnt see one instance when Doffy was able to stop him. Doffy survived Gear 4 Luffy the first round, but he by no means HANDLED him.

Thats all Im saying.






My point was that Doffy didnt "Handle Gear 4" there was nothing he could do to stop it. He could handle luffy in Base and gears 2 and 3, but to state doffy was Handling a Luffy in Gear 4 would be a mis-use of words.
Come on mate...Luffy needed a 10min break against injured Doffy...
 

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DID YOU JUST INCLUDE THE STUFF THAT HAPPENED DAYS AGO ON PUNK HAZARD GAHGHGH
I was responding in the same fashion as Dęvîa Puęrî, who brought up what doffy did at punk hazard (Check the message I responded to). Im fully aware of the time difference between and how that was irrevalent.

Here are his words
U act as if doffy was fresh in fight

He went from dressrosa to punk hazard and back
Merked smoker had confrontation with formal admiral akoiji merked Sanji
Defeat law and luffy together and separate occasions
Tanked what ever the hell injection shot does (personally even tho don't have proof of this I think it affects stats etc either that or gamma knife did insane damage cuz doffy went from having a clone match and outpace gear 2 luffy and having it casually swat away a jet pistol to him not being able to c simplistic moves from luffy...)
Tanked a gamma knife
Tanked red hawk only to receiver superficial damage...
Tanked the first gear 4th (he was left standing while luffy needed entire dressrosa community to help him get away)
And took the second one head on and was fighting back no break inbetween both cuz he was fighting towns ppl trying to find luffy ..

All in one day





Come on mate...Luffy needed a 10min break against injured Doffy...
I would once again like to point out that Luffy was injured and tired as well. I dont understand why everyone seems to think Luffy was 100% when he fought Doffy, and Doffy was only 40%.

Im not hating on Doffy in the slightest, I know that he is superior to base Luffy and gears 2-3. MY ONLY POINT IN THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS THAT DOFLOMINGO HAD NO RESPONSE TO LUFFY'S POWER LEVEL WHILE IN 4TH GEAR.

I don't understand why people keep bringing up Doffy begin hurt and injured and luffy needing the town to help him. Someone earlier stated that Doffy handled luffy while in 4th gear, and Im saying that is not true. Doffy COULD NOT HANDLE 4TH GEAR LUFFY and even stated that luffy's power was overwhelming.

Im not even fanboying Luffy. This came straight out the manga and people are getting defensive like I said Doffy was a weakling or something (Which he isnt).
 
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I was responding in the same fashion as Devi Peru, who brought up what doffy did at punk hazard (Check the message I responded to). Im fully aware of the time difference between and how that was irrevalent.




I would once again like to point out that Luffy was injured and tired as well. I dont understand why everyone seems to think Luffy was 100% when he fought Doffy, and Doffy was only 40%.

Im not hating on Doffy in the slightest, I know that he is superior to base Luffy and gears 2-3. MY ONLY POINT IN THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS THAT DOFLOMINGO HAD NO RESPONSE TO LUFFY'S POWER LEVEL WHILE IN 4TH GEAR.

I don't understand why people keep bringing up Doffy begin hurt and injured and luffy needing the town to help him. Someone earlier stated that Doffy handled luffy while in 4th gear, and Im saying that is not true. Doffy COULD NOT HANDLE 4TH GEAR LUFFY and even stated that luffy's power was overwhelming.

Im not even fanboying Luffy. This came straight out the manga and people are getting defensive like I said Doffy was a weakling or something (Which he isnt).
Even if Luffy was 70% he still needed that 10 min break.Luffy would have lost to Doffy if not for help.

U might be right,Doffy couldn't do much against G4 Luffy but he did dodge some attacks here and then and he was injured.Now if Doffy was 100% could he do something about G4? Well I guess we will never know.
 

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I was responding in the same fashion as Devi Peru, who brought up what doffy did at punk hazard (Check the message I responded to). Im fully aware of the time difference between and how that was irrevalent.




I would once again like to point out that Luffy was injured and tired as well. I dont understand why everyone seems to think Luffy was 100% when he fought Doffy, and Doffy was only 40%.

Im not hating on Doffy in the slightest, I know that he is superior to base Luffy and gears 2-3. MY ONLY POINT IN THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS THAT DOFLOMINGO HAD NO RESPONSE TO LUFFY'S POWER LEVEL WHILE IN 4TH GEAR.

I don't understand why people keep bringing up Doffy begin hurt and injured and luffy needing the town to help him. Someone earlier stated that Doffy handled luffy while in 4th gear, and Im saying that is not true. Doffy COULD NOT HANDLE 4TH GEAR LUFFY and even stated that luffy's power was overwhelming.

Im not even fanboying Luffy. This came straight out the manga and people are getting defensive like I said Doffy was a weakling or something (Which he isnt).
Luffy wasn't anywhere near as injured or tired as Doffy was. He ate after fighting in Block C, so he regained the energy spent there. Getting to Doffy was 90% on a bull's back and on a horse's back. He hit Gladius once, hit Pica once, and knocked down fodder toys, which Law disposed of, so it's not like he exerted himself knocking that down. Damage delivered by Doffy is just part of the battle with Doffy. Bellamy can't really do much damage to Luffy. Luffy wasn't anywhere near Doffy's level of fatigue.
 

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Even if Luffy was 70% he still needed that 10 min break. Luffy would have lost to Doffy if not for help.

U might be right,Doffy couldn't do much against G4 Luffy but he did dodge some attacks here and then and he was injured.Now if Doffy was 100% could he do something about G4? Well I guess we will never know.
I don't disagree that Luffy needed help, my only point in the whole conversation was to point out that Luffy in 4th gear was a problem for doflamingo. I think you guys think Im trying to say that Luffy low diff's doffy in 4th gear, which Im not. I very aware that it took a whole country to bring Doflamingo down, which only helps confirm he was a Bad@ss.

Someone earlier stated that Doffy Handled Luffy in 4th gear. I was only stating that Doflamingo did not handle the 4th gear at all.


Luffy wasn't anywhere near as injured or tired as Doffy was. He ate after fighting in Block C, so he regained the energy spent there. Getting to Doffy was 90% on a bull's back and on a horse's back. He hit Gladius once, hit Pica once, and knocked down fodder toys, which Law disposed of, so it's not like he exerted himself knocking that down. Damage delivered by Doffy is just part of the battle with Doffy. Bellamy can't really do much damage to Luffy. Luffy wasn't anywhere near Doffy's level of fatigue.
Dude, now your arguing who was hurt more.lol

Im not stating that Luffy had wreaked doflamingo, and I'm more then aware that it took a whole country to bring down doflomingo. All Im stating is that Doflamingo in the manga (with no what-if scenarios involved) could not defeat luffy while he was in 4th gear.

Someone earlier stated that Doffy handled luffy in 4th Gear. Im correcting that statement by saying that doffy was not able to handle luffy in 4th gear. I dont understand how this can even be argued.

Im fully aware that Doffy would whoop luffy's ass from base to 3rd gear. I also know that Luffy required the whole towns help to defeat him.

All I'm saying, is that while in 4th Gear luffy was NOT being Handled:
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I completely understand your point that doffy was hurt (even though luffy was as well especially in round 2), but in the reality of the situation Doffy had no counter to Gear 4. His strongest while using his awakening wasnt even able to put the GEAR 4 LUFFY down.

Had Doffy been fresh, who knows what would have happend. But as the fight went, it should be clear that Gear 4 luffy was a stronger (ONLY IN GEAR 4) then Doffy.
 
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I don't disagree that Luffy needed help, my only point in the whole conversation was to point out that Luffy in 4th gear was a problem for doflamingo. I think you guys think Im trying to say that Luffy low diff's doffy in 4th gear, which Im not. I very aware that it took a whole country to bring Doflamingo down, which only helps confirm he was a Bad@ss.

Someone earlier stated that Doffy Handled Luffy in 4th gear. I was only stating that Doflamingo did not handle the 4th gear at all.




Dude, now your arguing who was hurt more.lol

Im not stating that Luffy had wreaked doflamingo, and I'm more then aware that it took a whole country to bring down doflomingo. All Im stating is that Doflamingo in the manga (with no what-if scenarios involved) could not defeat luffy while he was in 4th gear.

Someone earlier stated that Doffy handled luffy in 4th Gear. Im correcting that statement by saying that doffy was not able to handle luffy in 4th gear. I dont understand how this can even be argued.

Im fully aware that Doffy would whoop luffy's ass from base to 3rd gear. I also know that Luffy required the whole towns help to defeat him.

All I'm saying, is that while in 4th Gear luffy was NOT being Handled:
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Doesn't matter, Luffy would have died.
 

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The obvious answers to Luffy and Doffy is still being debated it seems.....

Luffy was simply tired...Doffy pointed that out....Doffy was freaking half dead and his strings was holding his butchered vital organs together, was keeping him alive.....even so, Doffy was still outclassing Luffy and couldn't be touched.....

Luffy goes G4 and Doffy still amanged to dodge an attack and land a hit on Luffy.....if Doffy was fresh, his reflexes and speed would've been even better..... even so, Luffy couldn't stop Doffy before G4 wore off and would've died if it weren't for hundreds of people protecting him for 10 minutes....

Doffy>Jinbe to be relevant to the main question of this topic....
 

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Doesn't matter, Luffy would have died.
:wut: But he didnt, but I can tell that you are a serious fan of Doffy so I wont continue to push the topic.


On a side note though, alot of people are bringing up that doffy's strings were holding his organs in place. If that is the case then does that mean that when he was defeated, just like his birdcage disappeared, did the strings holding his organs together disappear also? Because if that is the case then doffy would bleed out.
 

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:wut: But he didnt, but I can tell that you are a serious fan of Doffy so I wont continue to push the topic.


On a side note though, alot of people are bringing up that doffy's strings were holding his organs in place. If that is the case then does that mean that when he was defeated, just like his birdcage disappeared, did the strings holding his organs together disappear also? Because if that is the case then doffy would bleed out.
It actually has nothing to do with how much I like Doffy. Injured Doffy was able to blitz Luffy and avoid his attacks enough. A full-strength Doffy could have done the same thing. Luffy is inferior to Doffy in that if they fought 1 vs 1, Doffy would kill him.
 

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It actually has nothing to do with how much I like Doffy. Injured Doffy was able to blitz Luffy and avoid his attacks enough. A full-strength Doffy could have done the same thing. Luffy is inferior to Doffy in that if they fought 1 vs 1, Doffy would kill him.
I completely Agree with your statement.....

Now try to understand my point.

1. In the current writing of the manga, Their was a fight between Doflomingo and Luffy in gear 4
2. Someone on the thread stated Doffy "Handled" Luffy while in gear 4
3. Me remembering the details of the fight, simply stated that Doffy (in the manga as it was written) did not HANDLE Fourth Gear Luffy
4. Everyone starts losing their minds lol


I am completely aware that if oda would have made the fight been Doflomingo vs Luffy on a deserted island, that doflomingo would have won. I Know that!!!!!

I was only speaking about what we had seen in the actual manga. There was not handling oF luffy in Fourth gear.



THAT IS ALLL IM SAYING LOL
 
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It actually has nothing to do with how much I like Doffy. Injured Doffy was able to blitz Luffy and avoid his attacks enough. A full-strength Doffy could have done the same thing. Luffy is inferior to Doffy in that if they fought 1 vs 1, Doffy would kill him.
He only dodged one attack. He was getting pummeled the entire time. It would have actually been a low diff fight(if we forget the side effects of g4 for a second) if not for awakening haltering Luffy's movements
 

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He only dodged one attack. He was getting pummeled the entire time. It would have actually been a low diff fight(if we forget the side effects of g4 for a second) if not for awakening haltering Luffy's movements
One dodge is all it really takes. He dodged an attack, and blitzed Luffy. And it was mid-fight, not just some opening rush-in thing that Oda does.

That makes no sense. It'd be a low-diff fight if you take away something from Doffy that contributed to the fight? No shit. Luffy vs Akainu would be low diff if you take away his limbs. Luffy vs Roger would be low diff if you take away his organs. Luffy vs Whitebeard would be low-diff if you take away 99% of WB's health.
 

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He only dodged one attack. He was getting pummeled the entire time. It would have actually been a low diff fight(if we forget the side effects of g4 for a second) if not for awakening haltering Luffy's movements
My thoughts exactly, injured Doffy outmaneuvered one G4 attack, whereas G4 outmaneuvered all of Doffys attacks except obviously hamstring that did no damage anyway.

Healthy Doffy gets the same treatment except he wins only because G4 ran out.
 

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One dodge is all it really takes. He dodged an attack, and blitzed Luffy. And it was mid-fight, not just some opening rush-in thing that Oda does.

That makes no sense. It'd be a low-diff fight if you take away something from Doffy that contributed to the fight? No shit. Luffy vs Akainu would be low diff if you take away his limbs. Luffy vs Roger would be low diff if you take away his organs. Luffy vs Whitebeard would be low-diff if you take away 99% of WB's health.
He outmaneuvered one attack dude, saying he dodged one attack so he can dodge all the rest is clearly BS. In a fight he's going to leave himself open for plenty attacks especially when G4 dodged all his attacks except hamstring. Only difference between G4 getting hit is that it won't do crap whereas Doflamingo will be feeling it.
 

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I was responding in the same fashion as Dęvîa Puęrî, who brought up what doffy did at punk hazard (Check the message I responded to). Im fully aware of the time difference between and how that was irrevalent.

Here are his words









I would once again like to point out that Luffy was injured and tired as well. I dont understand why everyone seems to think Luffy was 100% when he fought Doffy, and Doffy was only 40%.

Im not hating on Doffy in the slightest, I know that he is superior to base Luffy and gears 2-3. MY ONLY POINT IN THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS THAT DOFLOMINGO HAD NO RESPONSE TO LUFFY'S POWER LEVEL WHILE IN 4TH GEAR.

I don't understand why people keep bringing up Doffy begin hurt and injured and luffy needing the town to help him. Someone earlier stated that Doffy handled luffy while in 4th gear, and Im saying that is not true. Doffy COULD NOT HANDLE 4TH GEAR LUFFY and even stated that luffy's power was overwhelming.

Im not even fanboying Luffy. This came straight out the manga and people are getting defensive like I said Doffy was a weakling or something (Which he isnt).
My bad I thought doffy going to punk hazard was after law and them was going to dressrosa and a day had past.. Cuz I thought smoker still stayed there to deal with the children etc...


I still think that luffy was no where near the damage that doffy was ... And as for him not being able to do anything when luffy was in gear 4th well he just had his organs ripped apart yet he was able to out speed gear 4th... But due to attacks able to change directions was unable to fully dodge.. He did however tanked everything the first gear 4th and that to me is doing something against someone's attack if u can't stop it tank it... If u can't tank it ur beat... (Tank referring to being able to move and continue attacking etc)
 

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He outmaneuvered one attack dude, saying he dodged one attack so he can dodge all the rest is clearly BS. In a fight he's going to leave himself open for plenty attacks especially when G4 dodged all his attacks except hamstring. Only difference between G4 getting hit is that it won't do crap whereas Doflamingo will be feeling it.
Not really. Injured Doffy didn't just dodge an attack, he circled around an attack and Luffy's entire body faster than Luffy could see. That's the point. Sure, it happened once, but it's not like Luffy's reaction speed was dipping and rising throughout the fight. They both had the speed to blitz each other, but Doffy couldn't keep it up because he was injured. Doffy doesn't need to injure Luffy while he's in G4. A healthy Doffy can evade most of Luffy's attacks, and outlast him. Then, an exhausted and limp Luffy will be at the complete mercy of Doflamingo. Best case scenario for Luffy, he reduces to the state he was in after GK was landed with G4, which still ends with his death. Worst case, Doffy just uses his sheer speed and Awakening to elude Luffy's assault, and still easily kill him.
 
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