[Discussion] Jack>Marco>DD

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^Your links aren't working. Besides, that war was going all over the place with Oda trying to show everything happening at alternate moment of time in single chapters. It's impossible to determine the exact time frame between panels coming from different areas in these cases besides relying on word texts and when you rely on them, you realize that Jozu was only caught for few seconds because the conversation between the panel where Crocodile releases his sables after Doflamingo's proposition and the one before go hand to hand unless you think Crocodile purposedly decided to pause at the moment for a minute or two before replying to his question
it was still a full conversation/propersition
and croc doing sables etc... so i dont think it was just a couple of seconds this is not hunter x hunter lol

also doffy stopped jozu in mid attack its not like he was just standing there lol
 

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I was mainly referring to Bellamy stalling Luffy. Luffy was only a few seconds away from landing a final shot on Doffy before G4 ran out, so Luffy might have been able to land that hit if he didn't waste Haki on Bellamy.

If he was in a condition where another G4 hit bar KKG can one shot him; Luffy wouldn't have bothered himself by using KKG. Doffy would have survived anything other than KKG.
 

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Everyone seems to be missing the point that the minks were winning and jack had to use a weapon to win and not his own strength. He's weak as f**k if you as me. Kaido and his men is extremely overrated
 

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Everyone seems to be missing the point that the minks were winning and jack had to use a weapon to win and not his own strength. He's weak as f**k if you as me. Kaido and his men is extremely overrated
You think Jack is weak because you act simple minded, the minks have been stated to be a race strong every since birth and they're all strong even the citizens and infants. So strong that Jacks crew couldn't take them, which would mean the only person who could take on the minks would just be Jack.

Now tell me, how is Jack weak for not being strong enough to beat a whole country of Minks who are ALL strong. He would have to take on Duke of Day + night, guardians, 3 musketeers, and the whole country of minks all on his own.

You seem to think the minks are weak so therefore Jack who can't solo they're country is also weak. When in reality, if a Yonkos strongest subordinate can't solo them, then the country as a whole is just strong as hell.
 

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Doflamingo is still above Luffy. It didn't take two admirals to beat him. They both attacked Jack because Jack attacked them first. You're overrating Jack just a little.
 

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Fighting Fujitora at sea is the proof that Jack is both reckless and mind blowing stupid. It did not take 2 Admiral to beat him. It just so happens when his teeth were kicked to the curb a current and former Admiral were in the vicinity. As for the discussion of the thread Marco > Jack. While we cannot gauge the physical strength of Minks we know for a fact in terms of physical strength Marco = Admiral. Jack was not only in Zoan form which magnifies physical attribute by some margin but had an ancient mammoth & got stopped and floored. At this stage Jack is yet to prove why he is above DD let alone Marco's superior.
 

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Fighting Fujitora at sea is the proof that Jack is both reckless and mind blowing stupid. It did not take 2 Admiral to beat him. It just so happens when his teeth were kicked to the curb a current and former Admiral were in the vicinity. As for the discussion of the thread Marco > Jack. While we cannot gauge the physical strength of Minks we know for a fact in terms of physical strength Marco = Admiral. Jack was not only in Zoan form which magnifies physical attribute by some margin but had an ancient mammoth & got stopped and floored. At this stage Jack is yet to prove why he is above DD let alone Marco's superior.
Marco failed to do any damage to any admiral at any point during he whole MF war, he even bypassed kizarus intangibility but did no harm to Kizaru. A bloodlusted Marco who just witnessed Aces death with even Vistas help could only tickle Akainu, an admiral. So how you got Marco =Admiral in strength is beyond me. In fact he hasn't done anything to suggest he has greater firepower than Doflamingo, as simply kicking Admirals and doing no damage is something even pre skip base Luffy could manage. As he kicked Aokiji all the way into the air.
 

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Marco failed to do any damage to any admiral at any point during he whole MF war, he even bypassed kizarus intangibility but did no harm to Kizaru. A bloodlusted Marco who just witnessed Aces death with even Vistas help could only tickle Akainu, an admiral. So how you got Marco =Admiral in strength is beyond me. In fact he hasn't done anything to suggest he has greater firepower than Doflamingo, as simply kicking Admirals and doing no damage is something even pre skip base Luffy could manage. As he kicked Aokiji all the way into the air.

You are so blinded by you need to prove a point that you failed to read what I said. What makes it even sad is you willfully ignored any attempt I tried to ensure my post is put across. What exactly did I say in regards to Marco? Did you not see the bold which speaks of physical strength? Marco matched Three Admirals in physical confrontation nothing more. Two of said Admirals offered resistance to his attack & the third who was blind sided was thrown further back than a charging diamond, haki infused, hill sized tossing Jozu. At no point have I said he was equal to an Admiral in anything bar strength. Marco's purpose in the war was a support role. In MF WB and the allied captain initiated more fights than any of his commanders. Marco lacks offensive power but is well equipped defensively and is decent in offense. Much in the same sense DD couldn't land hits on Luffy, Marco is capable of regeneration, just as G4 Luffy outblitzed DD, Marco at full speed matched Kizaru, just as Luffy's physical punch packed enough power to shatter DD & momentarily push one Fuji, Marco was fending of Admirals in physical confrontations. Once again physical strength =/= overall strength. Zoro is just as physically strong as Luffy but that doesn't make them equals now does it?
 
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You are so blinded by you need to prove a point that you failed to read what I said. What makes it even sad is you willfully ignored any attempt I tried to ensure my post is put across. What exactly did I say in regards to Marco? Did you not see the bold which speaks of physical strength? Marco matched Three Admirals in physical confrontation nothing more. Two of said Admirals offered resistance to his attack & the third who was blind sided was thrown further back than a charging diamond, haki infused, hill sized tossing Jozu. At no point have I said he was equal to an Admiral in anything bar strength. Marco's purpose in the war was a support role. In MF WB and the allied captain initiated more fights than any of his commanders. Marco lacks offensive power but is well equipped defensively and is decent in offense. Much in the same sense DD couldn't land hits on Luffy, Marco is capable of regeneration, just as G4 Luffy outblitzed DD, Marco at full speed matched Kizaru, just as Luffy's physical punch packed enough power to shatter DD & momentarily push one Fuji, Marco was fending of Admirals in physical confrontations. Once again physical strength =/= overall strength. Zoro is just as physically strong as Luffy but that doesn't make them equals now does it?
What you're saying makes no sense whatsoever, and you must have a reading comprehension level of 2 because its pretty obvious what I meant regardless if I was super technical about physical strength and strength and you know that.

If Marco matched the Admirals in a physical confrontation then I guess pre skip Base Luffy did as well considering he kicked Aokiji all the way into the sky. And why are you even bringing up Marcos Physical strength like it matters when I just told you knocking back an admiral and not hurting them is not impressive?

Your highlighting these things as if that's what makes him > Jack and Doflamingo when they don't. Those feats aren't worth crap if you read my damn post as I explained why.
 

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What you're saying makes no sense whatsoever, and you must have a reading comprehension level of 2 because its pretty obvious what I meant regardless if I was super technical about physical strength and strength and you know that.
You were not technical in anything and as it is my post had made it abundantly clear that I only placed Marco as an Admiral equal in physical strength only. In your response to me you expressed as to why you differed in this claim. Yet, rather than address physical ability you mentioned power hence the talk of "Marco did not wound an Admiral." However, you failed to recognize that offensive ability goes beyond physical strength. There is DF aspect, Haki & how either of these factors compares to the opponent's defense. Marco was physically strong as an Admiral but his haki and/or DF ability could not make up for the difference in an Admiral physical defense, haki proficiency and DF protection. Which is why his favorable feats to date are of some physical power element. To save time in explaining all that I used Luffy and Zoro as prime examples whereby peers in strength are not automatically equals in ranking.

If Marco matched the Admirals in a physical confrontation then I guess pre skip Base Luffy did as well considering he kicked Aokiji all the way into the sky. And why are you even bringing up Marcos Physical strength like it matters when I just told you knocking back an admiral and not hurting them is not impressive?
The difference between Marco vs Admiral & Luffy vs Aoikiji is resistance. Aoikiji made no active attempt to defend & the whole time mused as Luffy pulled his move off. Skypeia Luffy had the strength to ascend whilst having a golden ball dangling from his arm. Punching a defenseless Admiral and hurling them into the air isn't impossible. Knocking an Admiral and not wounding them in unimpressive but you are missing the undertone of the message. G4 Luffy isn't scaled to Admiral level strength. Yet, his victory over DD by and by is attributable to his vastly superior punching power = strength. Now fill in the gap, if G4 Luffy who is yet to match Admirals in serious confrontations could do as much why wouldn't Marco be able to achieve the same.

Your highlighting these things as if that's what makes him > Jack and Doflamingo when they don't. Those feats aren't worth crap if you read my damn post as I explained why.
What I typed above undermines your idea that Marco lacks enough firepower than DD solely in regards to 1 on 1 confrontation which so happens to be the original discussion here. Whether either DD, Jack or Marco are better than the other. I said that Marco > Jack/DD solely based on the virtue of physical strength since it ties to his fighting style. Marco's feats aren't worth shit when compared to an Admiral level character but shit significantly on any person so far which so happens to include Jack and DD.
 

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You were not technical in anything and as it is my post had made it abundantly clear that I only placed Marco as an Admiral equal in physical strength only. In your response to me you expressed as to why you differed in this claim. Yet, rather than address physical ability you mentioned power hence the talk of "Marco did not wound an Admiral." However, you failed to recognize that offensive ability goes beyond physical strength. There is DF aspect, Haki & how either of these factors compares to the opponent's defense. Marco was physically strong as an Admiral but his haki and/or DF ability could not make up for the difference in an Admiral physical defense, haki proficiency and DF protection. Which is why his favorable feats to date are of some physical power element. To save time in explaining all that I used Luffy and Zoro as prime examples whereby peers in strength are not automatically equals in ranking.



The difference between Marco vs Admiral & Luffy vs Aoikiji is resistance. Aoikiji made no active attempt to defend & the whole time mused as Luffy pulled his move off. Skypeia Luffy had the strength to ascend whilst having a golden ball dangling from his arm. Punching a defenseless Admiral and hurling them into the air isn't impossible. Knocking an Admiral and not wounding them in unimpressive but you are missing the undertone of the message. G4 Luffy isn't scaled to Admiral level strength. Yet, his victory over DD by and by is attributable to his vastly superior punching power = strength. Now fill in the gap, if G4 Luffy who is yet to match Admirals in serious confrontations could do as much why wouldn't Marco be able to achieve the same.



What I typed above undermines your idea that Marco lacks enough firepower than DD solely in regards to 1 on 1 confrontation which so happens to be the original discussion here. Whether either DD, Jack or Marco are better than the other. I said that Marco > Jack/DD solely based on the virtue of physical strength since it ties to his fighting style. Marco's feats aren't worth shit when compared to an Admiral level character but shit significantly on any person so far which so happens to include Jack and DD.
You still make no sense, Physical strength would be like when Jozu lifted that iceberg, Marco did nothing of the sort during the war. He kicked and tried clawing Admirals, that's attack power.

So you're saying because Marco managed to Kick some Admirals he has physical strength = to Admirals? This makes no damn sense, you're saying Marco has an Admirals strength when we know if you have Admiral strength, you can hurt another Admiral as shown from the battle between Aokiji and Akainu. If Marco did indeed have their strength he would have hurt them, but he couldn't hurt them even with Vistas help.

Marcos feats are in fact no different from Aokiji vs Luffy, Marco kicked Kizaru and in the next panel Kizaru is already on two feet as if nothing happened. Kizaru blocked but the fact of the matter is neither of them were capable of hurting the Admiral at all. Akainu in fact did not block and took both Marco and Vistas attacks both head on and said it tickled.

It doesn't matter what the community thinks of G4s strength and WTF? You can't just say, because G4 was able to do this much collateral damage Marco can too that makes no sense. G4 has shown much better physical strength, attack power, however you want to put it, than Marco. An injured Luffy bruised Fujitora an Admiral, with his most basic G3 attack, Marco never accomplished even this during the whole MF War, so how does Marco have Admiral physical strength but G4 doesn't? Neither of them have it But the point of my post is to prove that Marco Is not Admiral level or very close Either.
 
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