[Discussion] Jack>Marco>DD

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Kizaru still attacked Luffy even after Beckman threatened him. You keep on ignoring the fact that Doflamingo also had help during his fight against Luffy and Law.

the slime guy did little to nothing or r u comparing him to the level of law or even the damage output that law did to doffy to help luffy etc?


and u act as if his help was on the same level as luffy's help

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

the slime guy did little to nothing or r u comparing him to the level of law or even the damage output that law did to doffy to help luffy etc?


and u act as if his help was on the same level as luffy's help

I was mainly referring to Bellamy stalling Luffy. Luffy was only a few seconds away from landing a final shot on Doffy before G4 ran out, so Luffy might have been able to land that hit if he didn't waste Haki on Bellamy.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Luffy can just break free from Parasite with G4. Unless Doflamingo can master the Ope Ope no Mi in a few minutes, I doubt he would be able to make good use of Law when controlling him.

get him in the way of him and lufffy also we dont fully understand why luffy was able to break out of parasite (could be that doffy was weakened due to damage or injection shot or sometjhing else) when jozu could not unless ur suggesting that jozu is now physically inferior to luffy.. reason why i am only using physical comparisions is because luffy literally just flexed out of his parasite... i honestly think either the injection shot lowered his stats or something because he went from a clone being able to casually swat away gear second attack to him not being able to physically react to gear 2nd until last minute .. etc. (referring to that gattling )

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy can just break free from Parasite with G4. Unless Doflamingo can master the Ope Ope no Mi in a few minutes, I doubt he would be able to make good use of Law when controlling him.

He doesn't need to use Law's powers, just throw Law into the way of Luffy's attacks. Meat shield for defense, and he takes the offensive when Luffy faulters.

 

[OG sama]

Lol so now even Riker is being biased? So your just going to ignore the fact that Bellamy and Trebol were there? They both helped, thanks to Trebol Law got full blighted in the chest and Doflamngo and Trebol were both ganging up on an injured Law who only had one arm. He was completely defenseless.

Bellamy was beating up on a base Luffy who didn't even want to fight back. Bellamy even bypassed his Haki.

Doflamingo fanboys can't act like Trebol and Bellamy weren't there.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

He doesn't need to use Law's powers, just throw Law into the way of Luffy's attacks. Meat shield for defense, and he takes the offensive when Luffy faulters.

I doubt Doflamingo would be able to do that if G4 Luffy is attacking him.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

get him in the way of him and lufffy also we dont fully understand why luffy was able to break out of parasite (could be that doffy was weakened due to damage or injection shot or sometjhing else) when jozu could not unless ur suggesting that jozu is now physically inferior to luffy.. reason why i am only using physical comparisions is because luffy literally just flexed out of his parasite... i honestly think either the injection shot lowered his stats or something because he went from a clone being able to casually swat away gear second attack to him not being able to physically react to gear 2nd until last minute .. etc. (referring to that gattling )

It could have been because of the sudden expansion of Luffy's body. Jozu was only in Parasite for a few secs and didn't know what was going on, so he might be able to break out of Parasite. Or maybe G4 Luffy is stronger than Jozu.

 

[OG sama]

It could have been because of the sudden expansion of Luffy's body. Jozu was only in Parasite for a few secs and didn't know what was going on, so he might be able to break out of Parasite. Or maybe G4 Luffy is stronger than Jozu.

Yeah theres nothing wrong with Luffy being stronger offensively while in G4, especially when an injured Luffy who was telegraphing all his attacks was still able to bruise Fuji with his most basic G3 attack.

We are about to fight Yonko right hand men and people still expect him to be weaker than Jozu? Hell no.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I doubt Doflamingo would be able to do that if G4 Luffy is attacking him.

He could move his arms up to block several times, speed rush into Luffy, activate Haki to block, dodge, and stall him with Awakened attacks. Yes. Yes he could.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

He could move his arms up to block several times, speed rush into Luffy, activate Haki to block, dodge, and stall him with Awakened attacks. Yes. Yes he could.

I don't see how a controlled Law is going to block G4 Luffy's speed, especially since he should be slower than normal Law.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I don't see how a controlled Law is going to block G4 Luffy's speed, especially since he should be slower than normal Law.

Doflamingo can literally just yank him into the way.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Doflamingo can literally just yank him into the way.

I doubt he would be able to do that fast enough in order to block G4 Luffy, assuming he could even do that.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I doubt he would be able to do that fast enough in order to block G4 Luffy, assuming he could even do that.

Why wouldn't he?

I doubt he couldn't. Seeing as Doffy could throw up defenses constantly that were broken through.

 

[BrillyMac]

Amidst of all this arguing, I come with the best assumption and solution: Marco=Jack. I see no reason why not. Especially when jacks complete feats have no been shown yet and neither have Marcos. Yes, im saying Marcos full feats have not been shown yet. It was a war. In wars you preserve energy. I think he has a lot more up his sleeve. Like come on, he didn't even use haki in the war. He most likely has it because he's white beards second in command. Jack didn't waste energy fighting the minks and instead used the poison gas. But he's not kaidos second in command for no reason. They are both fearsome opponents

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

It could have been because of the sudden expansion of Luffy's body. Jozu was only in Parasite for a few secs and didn't know what was going on, so he might be able to break out of Parasite. Or maybe G4 Luffy is stronger than Jozu.

I honestly don't know and also I mean it was more then a few seconds doffy was able to have entire convo with crocAnd attack him etc

 

[Punk Hazard]

I honestly don't know and also I mean it was more then a few seconds doffy was able to have entire convo with crocAnd attack him etc

It was more.

On NB there seems to be some dispute over how long Doflamingo had Jozu trapped on NB. Some say a few seconds, while I personally think it's been a while. Why?

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The panels of the guys saying "Go Strawhat"/"To the execution platform!" and Luffy replying "YEAH" both times are almost identical, so it shows that the moment Luffy encountered Mihawk is around the same time Doflamingo asked Crocodile to join him.

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In both of these pages, we can see the two frozen tsunamis, and we can see the cut tsunami by Mihawk on our POV's left. The cut tsunami in these pages very strongly resemble the tsunami we see in the page where Crocodile responded to Doflamingo's request to join.

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If we look in the background to the left of Crocodile, we can see the cut tsunami.

We see that the beginning of Mihawk and Luffy's confrontation happens more or less around the same time Doflamingo first takes control of Jozu, and then we see the tsunami Mihawk cut during his confrontation with Luffy during a panel where Doflamingo still has Jozu under control.

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Add that into the fact that the end of Doflamingo's control on Jozu is marked by Crocodile blowing them away with Sables, which then picks up Buggy in a second or two, and then Luffy grabs him from it shortly afterwards, which is still during Mihawk's relentless attack, it can be concluded that Doflamingo kept Jozu under control for more or less the same amount of time Luffy and Mihawk were confronting each other, give or take a few seconds as the Sables traveled, as the end of both confrontations are marked by the Sables. While this is still a relatively short amount of time, it's still longer than most people were giving Doffy credit for.

 

[Bogard]

^Your links aren't working. Besides, that war was going all over the place with Oda trying to show everything happening at alternate moment of time in single chapters. It's impossible to determine the exact time frame between panels coming from different areas in these cases besides relying on word texts and when you rely on them, you realize that Jozu was only caught for few seconds because the conversation between the panel where Crocodile releases his sables after Doflamingo's proposition and the one before go hand to hand unless you think Crocodile purposedly decided to pause at the moment for a minute or two before replying to his question

 

[Punk Hazard]

^Your links aren't working. Besides, that war was going all over the place with Oda trying to show everything happening at alternate moment of time in single chapters. It's impossible to determine the exact time frame between panels coming from different areas in these cases besides relying on word texts and when you rely on them, you realize that Jozu was only caught for few seconds because the conversation between the panel where Crocodile releases his sables after Doflamingo's proposition and the one before go hand to hand unless you think Crocodile purposedly decided to pause at the moment for a minute or two before replying to his question

It wasn't just words, but also the icebergs in the background and positioning of the Moby ****, specifically the fact that the iceberg was intact when Doffy asked the question and cut when Crocodile used Sables. It was probably unintentional on Oda's part due to the hectic nature of the war, but it's there all the same. Either Crocodile paused, they spoke more that we didn't see due to cutting away to another scene, or it's a huge visual-induced inconsistency. Your pick.

 

[Bogard]

It wasn't just words, but also the icebergs in the background and positioning of the Moby ****, specifically the fact that the iceberg was intact when Doffy asked the question and cut when Crocodile used Sables. It was probably unintentional on Oda's part due to the hectic nature of the war, but it's there all the same. Either Crocodile paused, they spoke more that we didn't see due to cutting away to another scene, or it's a huge visual-induced inconsistency. Your pick.

We don't know whether the iceberg was already cut in half or not by the time Doflamingo stopped Jozu(since the iceberg isn't shown on the first panel) because it's impossible to know the timeframe between Mihawk meeting Luffy and Doflamingo stopping Jozu, that's my point. If we rely on word texts however, it makes more sense to think Jozu was only caught for few seconds. It went from

"Would you join me"

TO second later be

"Join you?" or something along those lines

Impossible that he paused that long

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I was mainly referring to Bellamy stalling Luffy. Luffy was only a few seconds away from landing a final shot on Doffy before G4 ran out, so Luffy might have been able to land that hit if he didn't waste Haki on Bellamy.

i dont understand why ppl say he just needed one more punch... if u see clearly when he does gear 4th second time he does more then just one punch and the punch that luffy did to doffy (referring to king kong gun) was the strongest attack luffy has shown to date so its not just one more punch.... and also ppl (not u specfically) act like luffy did all the damage .. law did just as much blowing up doffy organs some of these ppl honetly think doffy healed from it when it states otherwise in manga and even in his bio his strings have no healing properties

better yet guys who wins injured doffy (from gamma knife) vs injured luffy ( if law also hit him with a gamma knife) since some ppl (again not referring to specfically) think luffy is stronger then doffy and gk didnt have any play in the fight at all..