Izanami will/will not work on these people

[Shroud]

Danzo can use incomplete izanagi which Izanami will work well agaisnt.

I didn't get the clan part you mentioned.

You have to murder uchiha to get sharingan unless you know orichimaru then you can get a shin arm when you mess with one uchiha all the other will come after you

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

theres plentyyyyyyy of characters who would and wouldn't succumb, i only listed a few. I was hoping more people will list some there own.

As far as Gai is concerned, you and I both know that was Kisame in the waterfall lol but what Kisame was saying could be interpreted as true. However, we've seen way more occasions where Gai was faced with instances where his morale could've got the best of him but he always rose above it.

Just look at how he was as a kid. I hardly think being told you're old is enough to keep someone in Izanami. That's not a deep, heavy issue for Gai i don't think

Ah wait what? No i'm thinking the anime then. Possibly non-canon but when it comes to characters which are less set in stone fact than feats or figures then I think it should be included.

In the anime Guy actually briefly speaks to the Waterfall in the same way Naruto did. They didn't fight and Guy just sort of came away from it really disillusioned. Next time he went to face it I believe it was Kisame.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Ah wait what? No i'm thinking the anime then. Possibly non-canon but when it comes to characters which are less set in stone fact than feats or figures then I think it should be included.

In the anime Guy actually briefly speaks to the Waterfall in the same way Naruto did. They didn't fight and Guy just sort of came away from it really disillusioned. Next time he went to face it I believe it was Kisame.

really? i truly do not recall this. ima go look

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

really? i truly do not recall this. ima go look

Ah wait no my bad, it was Kisame but the anime made it more vague than the manga, I remember now. Embarrassing.

But...why is Kisame a sword, humanoid and the a sword again in the space of 10 seconds? I think this WAS Dark Guy and then it was cut short by Kisame. Doesn't really add up otherwise imo

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[SumnNarutoRelated]

Ah wait no my bad, it was Kisame but the anime made it more vague than the manga, I remember now. Embarrassing.

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its cool lol. now i have sumn to watch for a bit. forgot how funny that scene was

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

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its cool lol. now i have sumn to watch for a bit. forgot how funny that scene was

Watch it a couple of times. Does Kisame honestly change his form 3 times in 10 seconds? Or was Dark Guy just cut short by Kisame- bc im thinkign the latter, get back to me

 

[VongolaX]

Nagato was TNJ'd by Naruto. His truth was severely tainted. Nuff said

That doesn't mean he falls for Izanami. He was convinced by Naruto that hate and power is not the key to peace. That has nothing to do with Nagato accepting the truth about himself, nagato accepted the truth and that's why he followed akatsuki.

Obito I listed already in the OP

Obito accepted reality, and that's why he wants to run away from the real world into the fake world.

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He is not like Kabuto who wanted to become like Orochimaru, he accpepted reality as it is and wanted to run away from it.

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So izanami wouldn't work unless he uses Izanagi to re-write his death.
That and Obito has knowledge about the jutsu

and Itachi as mentioned in the OP, I'm on the fence about. I was hoping someone can give a good reason as to why or why not Itachi would fall under.

I don't see Itachi falling subjective to this jutsu because of...

1. He has knowledge

2. Itachi is not running from his true self

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But the rest of Akatsuki are confident killers that know exactly who they are. Deidara, Hidan and Kakuzu probably being on the top of that list

Yes they do

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Watch it a couple of times. Does Kisame honestly change his form 3 times in 10 seconds? Or was Dark Guy just cut short by Kisame- bc im thinkign the latter, get back to me

What we saw or what Kishimoto was conveying, was that the figure was more of a figment of Gai's imagination. You can tell this by the sound of the figments voice. It's really a good technique directors use to help the audience make up their own interpretation.

In NV logic however, its probably as you say it: Kisame switched between both to help fool Gai into believing that it was his dark self

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

That doesn't mean he falls for Izanami. He was convinced by Naruto that hate and power is not the key to peace. That has nothing to do with Nagato accepting the truth about himself, nagato accepted the truth and that's why he followed akatsuki.



Obito accepted reality, and that's why he wants to run away from the real world into the fake world.

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He is not like Kabuto who wanted to become like Orochimaru, he accpepted reality as it is and wanted to run away from it.

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So izanami wouldn't work unless he uses Izanagi to re-write his death.
That and Obito has knowledge about the jutsu



I don't see Itachi falling subjective to this jutsu because of...

1. He has knowledge

2. Itachi is not running from his true self

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Yes they do

I don't think Izanami is only for those who can't accept themselves for who they are. It's range of use has to be wider for it to be a useful jutsu.

It was designed to counter Izanagi, which is a jutsu people use not necessarily when they don't accept who they are but more because they can't accept death just yet.


The way it is is like this: Izanagi, most of the time, is used by fodder uchiha who had trouble accepting their fate. This kind of mindset is synonymous with a person who has a weak mind. Kabuto also had a weak mind even though he wasn't fodder and even though he probably would accept death if it came for him. In other words, Izanami worked on kabuto for entirely different reasons then it worked on fodder Uchiha.

In fact i think overall, everyone's situation is a little different from each other. Izanami is simply a jutsu that makes you accept what is reality. The fact that the same jutsu had very different uses on Kabuto than it had on the Uchiha proves this.

Danzo probably knows who he is for sure, but because he had a bunch of Izanagi, he would've still succumbed to Izanami because he would've not accepted death, as he would've thought it would be impossible for him to die with all those Sharingans in his possession.

This is why I feel Nagato would've succumb to Izanami. His view of reality wasn't complete because he was eventually swayed. As long as your view of reality isn't iron-clad, you can fall victim to Izanami. I know i said a lot but i hope that clears it up a little.

I believe even Obito scoffed at how easily Nagato was swayed. I agree with you about Itachi however

 

[VongolaX]

I don't think Izanami is only for those who can't accept themselves for who they are. It's range of use has to be wider for it to be a useful jutsu.

It was designed to counter Izanagi, which is a jutsu people use not necessarily when they don't accept who they are but more because they can't accept death just yet.


The way it is is like this: Izanagi, most of the time, is used by fodder uchiha who had trouble accepting their fate. This kind of mindset is synonymous with a person who has a weak mind. Kabuto also had a weak mind even though he wasn't fodder and even though he probably would accept death if it came for him. In other words, Izanami worked on kabuto for entirely different reasons then it worked on fodder Uchiha.

In fact i think overall, everyone's situation is a little different from each other. Izanami is simply a jutsu that makes you accept what is reality. The fact that the same jutsu had very different uses on Kabuto than it had on the Uchiha proves this.

Danzo probably knows who he is for sure, but because he had a bunch of Izanagi, he would've still succumbed to Izanami because he would've not accepted death, as he would've thought it would be impossible for him to die with all those Sharingans in his possession.

This is why I feel Nagato would've succumb to Izanami. His view of reality wasn't complete because he was eventually swayed. As long as your view of reality isn't iron-clad, you can fall victim to Izanami. I know i said a lot but i hope that clears it up a little.

I believe even Obito scoffed at how easily Nagato was swayed. I agree with you about Itachi however

Yeah I see your point.

If anything betwen Nagato and Obito

Obito needs to not be careless to resort into Izanagi otherwise he'll get caught.

Nagato's whole point of view is a little shady to clarify

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

What we saw or what Kishimoto was conveying, was that the figure was more of a figment of Gai's imagination. You can tell this by the sound of the figments voice. It's really a good technique directors use to help the audience make up their own interpretation.

In NV logic however, its probably as you say it: Kisame switched between both to help fool Gai into believing that it was his dark self

that makes noooooooooooooooo sense

Kisame was on the run from 2 Perfect Jinchuurikis who had blown his cover. Why would he have time to be like: oh man heheh this would be a good prank

 

[Guntah]

Agreed....except, Sakura? Nah.